Yep. We don't see eye to eye, because if the Snow white animation is " FAR better than any mocap", THEN it's art. It's not realistic. It's not the kind of animation  people would want to see in a game or a movie. 

I'm still waiting for the realistic example



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Obviously you haven't seen a Disney film (at least the classics).  The animation in Snow White, for example, is as realistic as it comes, FAR better than any mocap.  Indeed, efforts to do tracing over live motion wasn't nearly as good.

Sorry -- you and I just don't see eye to eye.

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Mike "ex-genius" Kelley

Obviously, you didn't read my post. I have seen as many Disney films as you have. What they do is ANIMATION. Principles of animation: anticipation, follow-through, exageration, etc... There's NOTHING natural about animation. What the people who invest millions of dollars into games do, or movies like "Avatar", is not animation, that's MOTION CAPTURE. That's natural. That's realistic.  Their equipment is expensive. If they could do it by hand, they would, just to save the money on equipment  and  actors. If you believe that you can replace motion capture, I would like you to show me an example of a natural animation done by hand.



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Obviously you've never seen a Disney film.

(Those artists studied human movement for many, many years -- hand animation can ALWAYS do anything.  Assuming you have talent.  And time, of course).

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I have a hard (very hard) time believing that. I believe you can do animation well (with squash and stretch, anticipation, etc), but as far as precisely replicating the natural movements of the body and face, that's impossible, no matter how much time you put into it. The timing and coordination will always be a little bit off.

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Looks like on ebay you can pick up an Iphone X in good working order 'with a bad esn' for under $400. Some with a cracked screen for half that. Since I would buy it solely for wifi use for live face, I am tempted to get this, but still between that cost and the plug-in it's a a hefty purchase.

I'm still not sure about the curve editor plug-in. I *think* I need that but..

@Mike >>>> ".... the tradeoff there is time, which at my age is more precious than anything else I have (FAR more precious than money).  I'm even willing to accept less than stellar results as long as I can tell my story quickly (again, you make compromises based on your resources).   .... " <<<<
Very, very true ......

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I would be SO on that like ugly on ape (my current iPad is about three years old, the "Airpad" refresh of the original, but I've held off buying another for quite some time now even though I use my iPad at least an hour every single day).  IF it worked with the Live plugin (that would give me two capture sources -- plus the Faceware!  Maybe I could do three people at the same time!).

I'll keep an eye out for it -- yeah, I know this stuff isn't for everyone but as Ani (and others) have said, quality mocap is expensive (remember my "Good, fast, cheap" pick any two paradigm?).  And it all boils down to how you value things.  You can achieve the same or even better results hand animating almost anything (including body mocap) but the tradeoff there is time, which at my age is more precious than anything else I have (FAR more precious than money).  I'm even willing to accept less than stellar results as long as I can tell my story quickly (again, you make compromises based on your resources).

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Rampa >>> "....There is rumored to be a iPad with a depth camera released soon, maybe even next month. Apparently more iPhone models will also be getting the depth camera.... " <<<
Really! .....  more (*lower priced*) iphones hopefully!  ..... and if they're useable within Motion Live - bam - more players!
I'm now seeing how smart this move is by Reallusion - they're fast becoming the "Hub" to everything .....

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There is rumored to be a iPad with a depth camera released soon, maybe even next month. Apparently more iPhone models will also be getting the depth camera.