rgreenidge (10/10/2019)

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What I would recommend? A 3900X AMD CPU, at the cheapest price, and the best Nvdia GPU card.

I found the hidden answer.  Do I win a prize?

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iClone 7... Character Creator... Substance Designer/Painter... Blender... Audacity...
Desktop (homebuilt) - Windows 10, Ryzen 9 3900x CPU, GTX 1080 GPU (8GB), 32GB RAM, Asus X570 Pro motherboard, 2TB SSD, terabytes of disk space, dual  monitors.
Laptop - Windows 10, MSI GS63VR STEALTH-252, 16GB RAM, GTX 1060 (6GB), 256GB SSD and 1TB HDD

@rgreenidge, thanks for your post. I found it very helpful, as I am working on a film with lots of characters.  

I have a GTX 1080, which 8 G of memory.  But I need to be able to run my animations with party and nightclub scenes. It sounds like your 3900x enables you to do so.  I was thinking of waiting until end of year, then getting the processor, MOBO, and 4x32G memory.  I'll wait until next year to see whether I upgrade my video card.

Nathan

This thread for me is moot now but other could use it.
Intel is having a slashed prices as a competition beater so I got my new mobo with a i7-8700k I'm using it now.

The following is an unrelated rant:
Wow! Installing Windows today is really annoying, with the "to setup your machine enter your Microsoft email" NO! No way to skip so I held the power button and it turned off and then it skipped that screen. For me giving my Windows machine a Microsoft email is the worst because I enjoy pressing the power button and seeing my desktop seconds after with zero else to do instead of entering emails and pin numbers.

How do you know you have been using computers before me? Are you a psychic as well as a computer expert?


                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com

My answer was based primarily on three things.

1. Software that is developed on particular hardware will generally run more stable and with less issues than hardware not used during development.

2. From my experience in Support there were more hardware related issues reported with AMD based systems than Intel based systems.

3. The third is from personal experience. Over the years I have used both AMD CPU/GPU systems and Intel CPU/Nvidia GPU systems and without a doubt I have experienced less issues and better performance with Intel/Nvidia systems. And I'm not talking about just Reallusion software but software/games in general.

But let me be clear. I'm not saying you shouldn't use an AMD system or that you will have problems if you do (you probably won't if it meets the required specs). I'm just sharing my recommendation based on some experience (but not as much as rgreenidge apparently). :P


                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com

Fair enough, Peter(RL).  Thanks for the reply.

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iClone 7... Character Creator... Substance Designer/Painter... Blender... Audacity...
Desktop (homebuilt) - Windows 10, Ryzen 9 3900x CPU, GTX 1080 GPU (8GB), 32GB RAM, Asus X570 Pro motherboard, 2TB SSD, terabytes of disk space, dual  monitors.
Laptop - Windows 10, MSI GS63VR STEALTH-252, 16GB RAM, GTX 1060 (6GB), 256GB SSD and 1TB HDD

Peter I would doubt that that you are 69 years old. I worked for Cummins Engine company in 1973, when there wasn't any home computers, I probably made the first laptop using LED segments as a display. In 1974 with GE, I worked on Fiber optics communications, and since there were no fiber optic cables, we had to go into a radio shack and use toy Christmas trees, to make our cables and test, polishing and shining the ends making our own lens. In 1966 I was converting people's black and white TV's to color, for $80, even though we only had one TV station that broadcast color, maybe two shows in color a day. This was with vacuum tubes and so did some of the first computers I worked with. And what is your experience, and or age? I'm not jumping on you, but I never met any other engineers that have more experience than I. When I wasn't in the streets as a kid, I was working on electronic & photography stuff, and was making color prints at 14 (1964). And while working as a electronic engineer, I did my own thing experimenting at home, which helped me on the job and off. Before I retired, I came up with the circuit and idea the put LED's inside the glass, so people on the #7 line can tell if the train is coming is local and express. There were no more train line wires, and if you know anything about magnetism, the train is a moving antenna and it's wires picks up everything. I won the top prize in the MTANY that year and all the bosses wished they could have paid me more, but the state has a limit on bonuses. I'm not your regular run of the meal person. I never paid for college, because every college wanted to say I went there, It was them who taught me. No I'm self taught and always curious of how things works. In the mid 70's. I designed Cat scanning equipment. Guess what runs the equipment? I wish I had the computer power than as now. I had to do a lot of flying because guys couldn't fix it, even with me talking over the phone. I not singling you out, just general knowledge that there isn't any other kids I met at 8 years old into electronics in 1958, or I met later in life. Before the 1980's, there were very few interested in computers or needed them and in the 1970's how many? Were you even born? That's what I base my opinion on, my age and experience. Again, years ago I asked you personally what computers do you guys run and test iClone on, and I couldn't get a answer, and why? I had to tell what loads or rigs we used, what temperatures we tested at, how long we ran or cycled or units to all my customers, and if you wanted the same results as we were getting you had a idea of what you needed. I've have gotten lots of help with guys on this forum, but with you I asked technical questions, and never get a answer or a you beat around the bush when I asked has the mp4 encoder changed. You told guys on here get a intel CPU and NVidia, but have you ever used a AMD CPU, mixed with other cards, you never say. I've used them all. I will tell them to buy the fastest, they can afford period. It's like some dummy on the job told everyone, his amp has gold transistors, the gold on the transistors won't make it sound better, and gold is crap conductor. Why tell a person to buy a Intel CPU, when he can buy a AMD that's faster and $500 less. Most people have budgets, and if the AMD CPU is cheaper at the same speed, he can get a better video card. Stop being a fan boy, you say you know a lot about computers, and if you really are, you should know better than to be biased to one company, and everyday with computers and electronics nothing stays the same. Everyone is trying to be top dog and right now Intel is on the chase, which is good for us consumers who want more bang for their buck. There's other things to spend money on and a computer may not be their priority. I have 4 desktop computers running in here now. Video cards, both. CPU's, 3-AMD, 1-Intel. They all do the same thing, they work, which is the fastest, the AMD 3900X which is available again and now back to $499. Thanks for sharing you thoughts, and will I get back your experience and age group at least? Rich Greenidge.        

Home built; ASRock X570 Pro 4, AMD Ryzen 9-5950X CPU, AMD RADEON RX6900XT, 16GB video card, 131GB of RAM.

All we can provide is our experience, and we should respect that. Peter's last post was concise and to the point.

There's no need in browbeating Peter, who has been very helpful over the years even though we don't always agree with him...:unsure:

I've disassembled and assembled tube radios and amplifiers in the sixties, designed and built synthesizers and other musical equipment in the seventies in the Netherlands (http://synton.nl/) and have extensive experience in IT research, but I wouldn't expect my opinion to be more valuable for that reason.

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