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Filmmaking versus Animation

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Kelleytoons (1/18/2018)
The Rashomon Effect

One of my all time favorite themes is summed up in the fantastic movie, "Rashomon" (which, if you haven't yet seen, stop reading right now go out and find it and watch it!).  It examines the nature of truth as four people recount their own version of a story, which reveals that every person has their own viewpoint and perhaps the truth is always somewhere in-between.


On a related note, check out "Vantage Point" (2008).
The same story (a political assassination) is told several times, each time from another person's vantage point.
It sounds like it would be boring, but it's not.  Each telling is unique, and brings more clues, so by the end of the movie you know who did it and why.


P.S.
I confess I did not "stop reading right now," but I will check into Rashomon after writing this.  ;)



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colour (1/18/2018)

IMO, Film-making is filming the action., Animation is making the action. Putting it very simply.

With all of the awesome (Detailed Advice) given on filming.... this thread should be labeled, "Film Making Techniques."

As for 3d animation... there's mention of the seminar, but no (Detailed Advice) on animation techniques.
It would be super helpful to hear experienced users discuss how to actually animate "To follow a Script."

...blending mocap is one thing, but to actually animate with detailed steps to follow a script... wow!:)


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As for 3d animation... there's mention of the seminar, but no (Detailed Advice) on animation techniques.
It would be super helpful to hear experienced users discuss how to actually animate "To follow a Script."

...blending mocap is one thing, but to actually animate with detailed steps to follow a script... wow


Hopefully I understand what you are saying correctly.
I have been looking into how to produce interesting stories based on the discussions here and at the moment looking into making short stories.
I see that having a point I want to make through my story is what will make it interesting and have been working on some points  to make that will be easy for short stories.

It has dawned on me that maybe making short stories that highlight iclone animation methods might be some good points for a short story and I am thinking about posting them on the forum with explanations of how I made the story and how I did. the amimations, scene constructions etc. Well at least as well as I can explain them at least (I'm getting old.....rolling my eyes)

Im not exactly sure what Im going to do yet. Still thinking about it but I am thinking things such as the new partical effects.

     Pick some of them and come up with a story that higlights what I find I can use those ones for.

     An obvious example for me is the magical particles and using the purpose of demonstrating what you can do with them trough a short story about a wizard.
    I hope that will help me improve myself with telling interesting stories and hopefully it will help beginners with doing things in iclone.

Another one I was thinking about was character walking styles.
Maybe start with a character who cant walk for some reason but something happens that enables him to start walking. I can use that to show lots of the walking styles in iclone?
I not sure that would make a good story yet.........maybe? It all depends on what I can come up with. But the point is I would be using the story to show iClones walking styles in an interesting way.

And that is the kind of starting points I am thinking of using for making stories. Demonstrating iclones abilities

I will be definitely starting new threads based on that and if anyone else thinks its a good idea and do the same/similar then great.
Also if anyone happens to post comments/suggestions to improve what I have done then again....great



UPDATE
Wasn't going to post this here but after seeing your post I thought I might as well



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Delerna
And that is the kind of starting points I am thinking of using for making stories. Demonstrating iclones abilities.

Thank you Delerna,

Animation - Wise:
I would love to start with one of the many given film making techniques and make the character perform according to the script.

Blending mocap is an awesome start, but my focus is on how to animate (the difficult part)... to follow a script.
Would love to see someone demostrate iclones abilities doing this.:w00t:

Rampa (1/17/2018)
...It can also be challenging to animate all the activity of it for people without animation experience. It is for me.

Me Too. :crying:



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Alfred Hitchcock "To catch a thief" was one of my favorites. Very suspenseful. :)
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I've been considering starting a spin-off thread.

The posts about "animating to a script" added some additional motivation.

Rather than start a new thread for that, I put a post in my "Corner" thread.  There I volunteered some "filmmaking and "animation" critiques from a video that I animated to a script (one that I wrote, but I wrote it prior to doing the animation).

It's sort of an experimental post.  I don't know if it will work or not.  You can let me know over there.

Here's a handy link to it:  https://forum.reallusion.com/FindPost354841.aspx



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theschemer (1/18/2018)


I have enrolled in several Udemy courses when they are priced so low you cannot pass them up. So I am deeply involved in getting better. It just takes time. ;)


Any courses that you recommend?  I bought a couple of Blender courses over Christmas (which I have yet to look at) and one on film scoring (since I got into animation because I wanted to make music videos, now I want to tell some stories too, which will need soundtracks).





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There are some interesting sample videos at this site (links below) about directing, camera angles, scene-blocking, etc.  They talk about the "art & science" of using various camera angles/techniques to evoke distinct emotions from the viewer.  The videos are samples of their product (DVD courses) but are still worth watching, IMHO.  Doesn't replace having a good storyline, but another tool in the kit...

https://www.hollywoodcamerawork.com/the-master-course-in-high-end-blocking-and-staging.html

https://www.hollywoodcamerawork.com/hot-moves-the-science-of-awesome.html


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@Gordryd,

Interesting courses.
I watched several of the clips.

It reminded me of "How a Director Stages and Blocks a Scene" by Filmmaker IQ.
Here, he shoots the same script 5 different ways.





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Thanks for that, I will check out the the links.


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