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NEW EULA ISSUES

Posted By deidrereaystudios 3 Years Ago
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NEW EULA ISSUES

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lowejohn7
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SugarMoxie (10/18/2022)
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If it helps because it can become quite convoluted...
What they mean is you can use Character Creator to make the characters for your game but if you want a feature in your game where the player customizes the character (Like Cyberpunk or GTA character generator)using Reallusion Marketplace/Content store content such as morphs, hair, beards or clothes it would require being granted an Enterprise License. But if you make a character that isn't being changed like characters in Detroit: Become Human where the focus isn't on customization and dressing up your character the Extended would suffice for unlimited use of the content whereas Standard is for 1 single use content on one character.

So for you protagonist in a game you have the Standard License and you use the Bob hair. You can only use it on the protagonist in the game and you can't use it on multiple characters within that game. That same hair once used for that game couldn't be used on another character for another game unless you are using the same character.

With the Extended license you wouldn't have to worry about how many times you use the content because you have unlimited usage right. If you don't want to try to get the Enterprise License to have character generating in your game the only other route you may be able to go is making the morphs, clothes and hair if you want a customization system.


I have said this many times now each country has different laws and that is your interpretation of the new EULA coming from your country's laws and your understanding of them and I respect that.
I asked some very specific questions about their definition of the in-game shop and in-game customization.  After many weeks of going round and round with them, I could not get an answer very much felt like no one actually knows the answer.  They say no in-app purchases they do not say with real money or fake money or tokens,  I asked if they now considered purchases from a game shop ( no real money involved ) would be considered by them as an in-game purchase one response was yes one was no.  You could interpret it to say that a crafting bench in an MMORPG is an in-game transaction and therefore not allowed.  I asked all these questions and was told that their knowledge on the subject was not good enough and i was given an email to email my questions to I did that and the response back was back to the ticket process back to another person who could not answer the questions.  Which falls right into no clear definition of what the EULA stands for and lucky for me my country covers this 

I asked how they were going to handle it if i supplied a client with some models and did some work for them and in 3 years time, they shifted the business model and went with in-app purchases or years after release did the same.  I also asked how this would affect the current projects i had already gained mass distribution licenses for.
I asked if when i had done some free lance work there were no plans to have in-app customization and i did not work on it but 3 years down the line they got someone else to make a customization system that i never worked on.
They also could not give me any idea how much it would cost me for the license 

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Yea, I can understand your frustration on that and as I said in another thread. For me it would be best I don't invest in the market anymore because just as your thinkg what if there is a change again in the future. I don't have time for that.

But I don't see it in the new EULA so most likely wasn't in the old one. But there is a second agreement thing I believe but can't locate it yet.

**** Found it****
The EULA AP which is the second part has the 3D Models Limitation in Section 5 of the EULA.

So they have the Content EULA that falls under the EULA  for Animation Tools.


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lowejohn7 (10/18/2022)
and could you finally define char creation?


Any in-game system that creates a character from a selection of different options such as (but not limited to) changing skin color, hair, clothing, body size and so on.

also, you say you should not install the software if you do not agree with the EULA the software was already installed before the change so you are saying that now that you changed the EULA i should uninstall my software then peter ? interesting stance


Not an interesting stance, it's the standard in terms of license agreements. When you install any app on your phone or software on your computer it will either ask you to agree to the EULA or it will explain that using the software means you are agreeing to the EULA. If you don't agree, then you can't use the app or software. This applies to virtually all software from operating systems to games.

However, what we are discussing here are changes to the Content EULA not the AP (Program) EULA which you already had installed. So, as you probably know any applicable exportable content you had prior to the change in the Content EULA was automatically upgraded to the Extended License. This means that it is only content purchased after the change in the EULA that is affected by the changes.

So now the Content EULA has changed you of course have the right to say I don't agree to the new changes in the EULA and can choose not to purchase any further content. However, if you do purchase content, then you are agreeing to abide by the revised Content EULA.

no one seems able to get a straight answer about the license and i have tried many times so for me i can prove that i have gone far out of my way to get answers that have not been forth coming and ignored so falls under not understanding for my country


If you ask me a question, I will certainly try to give you a straight answer. :)


                                                                

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deidrereaystudios (10/18/2022)
I believe perhaps I am confused. Reading the EULA it states that a Standard License one can not use in Games for characters creation, but with an Extended license I quote "To use a character made by CC Component content for any game, application, or AR/VR project. You may include the character in your game or APP in a way that the model may be manipulated or interacted with." That to me sounds like if you own the extended license you can use however you wish? Can you verify this Peter that as long as Extended license is owned we can Have character creations, selection, or use the CC ASSET with its license in any way we choose to have it manipulated or interacted with? 76% of original size (was 661x19) - Click to enlargehttps://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/cf24f33e-9caf-4367-873a-d279.png


Please refer to the page below. We have tried to clear up any confusion by listing specifically what is allowed and what is not allowed under each license type.

https://www.reallusion.com/license/content.html



                                                                

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Thanks for helping Peter. Finally got some dialogue going from support, sales, and you were very helpful as always. Seems to be the case that this EULA made some things easy and clear as day. While the main thing its seems everyone confused about, or frustrated is the CHARACTER CREATION needing something extra. Seems to still be fine to use all of our previously purchased export license clothing, characters , and the like on as many projects as possible. Just cant do character creation without Enterprise License.

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