I went in and gave this a vote and offered a suggestion for a feature request that might not be so simple for them to do, but sounded good at the time. :)
http://www.reallusion.com/FeedBackTracker/Issue/All-clothing-as-accessories


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Sigh... Grrr...

If someone has a good solution to this semi-rant, please let me know.
(No, I'm not buying a $500+ piece of software just for this.  Maybe I should pick out a different dress.)

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Okay, now I'm getting irritated.
I decided to work on manually painting out the skin that shows through the dress by editing an Opacity Map.
After all, even the CC manual suggest you may still need to do that.

I forgot how "random" it is to try to paint on the 2D map instead of on the 3D object itself.
Okay, I didn't really forget, but it's been a while since I tried.

Trying to find the part of the skin that's right below the armpit/strap area of the dress is nearly impossible, at least for me.

And looking at the UV of the dress of course doesn't help.
Just for fun, here is a picture of the dress and avatar (body) UV maps superimposed...
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I know almost exactly where on the dress I would want to paint, but good luck finding that on the avatar's body.

Am I going to have to export avatar and dress OBJs (or FBXs) and bring them into Substance Painter so I can see what I'm doing when I try to mask out a bit of peek-a-boo skin?

What a chore for something that looks so simple.

Sigh.

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I would not try and make a thin strap transparent. You'll probably see the edge from any side-angle.

I think your better off importing both the body and dress into a 3d program, and carefully adjust the dress straps/top to lay across the breasts better. Use the mesh replace to do this. You only need to re-import the modified dress.

Blender or Sculptris could both manage that pretty easily.

Yeah, that's what I was hoping to avoid.
I've played with Sculptris enough to know what it does, but can't claim to know how to use it.
And my Blender skills are mostly "awareness" (and I have my son do the Blender work for me, but that's like pushing a wet noodle).

Thank you, though, for the comments.

I can get the body into Substance Painter.  Assuming I can get the dress in there too, I can then use the dress *on* the 3D avatar as a reference, and paint my opacity map on the "offending" parts of the body.

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I'm sorry, I'm getting a little bit grumpy about this.  I'm tired, and this is really starting to annoy and frustrate me.
As I said before, it's not that I can't do it, or that it's beyond my intellectual capacity, but I really don't want to hew my own lumber or forge my own automobile parts either.

All I want is for the side of the Reallusion dress to look good when my Reallusion character dress puts her arms down.
Is that asking too much?


So... here is a picture of some "protruding" area masked out.
The dress now has no skin showing through it.  Yeah.
But you can see I masked out a bit too much.
So, when I'm painting my mask on the body, how do I know where the dress ends?
Maybe I should just get to bed, and maybe I'll be less irritated in the morning.
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It would be complicated as accessories are static and do not bend and fold. You'll need a system that has the clothing confirm. I believe DAZ lets clothing inherit the underlying morphs of the body, which would be the way to do it. I know the wait is difficult, but I would like to see them finish the clothing creation part of CC first, before coming up with yet another approach.

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@Viking: the CC UV map may be optimized for something but not for easily marking sections of body parts I have found. For another application I ended up using a numbered grid, so it becomes painting by numbers if you will. 

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when i've come across this problem i usually realtime smooth the character, then i change the subdivisión value by one, same as with the iteration value, and then i go for the increase size thingie, usually a value of 0.10 or 0.15 maybe even 0.20, usually fixes it. also realtime smooth the dress
i almost always steer clear of closefitting as it creates many of these issues. 

hope this helps

@Raxel,

I did those things.  Good ideas, though.

The main reason I want a "close fit" is I have a lot of close-ups where you can clearly see the dress strap is offset from the shoulder.

For some reason it's always worse on her right.  I never morphed the body asymmetrically, but hmm, maybe I could give her a minor reduction on the right, I wonder if that would do it.  Seems obvious suddenly... conform the cloth, and then tweak problem area on the character afterwards.

I guess another option is to do the project twice... one with a close fit when I film her left side, and another with a looser fit when I film her right site.  Then edit it in my NLE.

I'm really liking the idea of "shrinking" her right side slightly.  I'll let you know if that works later today, as in 10 to 12 hours from now.

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@Viking: I think I have tried shrinking, but the problem I encountered then is that the clothing adjusts as well, which one would expect it do to accommodate various body shapes. The only successful adjustment I've done was outside of the iClone/CC universe with Replace Mesh. But please try and see how it works out.

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I started to realize that later.  You are correct.
For a moment, I was thinking I'd conform the cloth, and then shrink her, but of course the cloth follows her.

I think the most practical approach will be to go back to the opacity mask.
Sadly, it will require trial-and-error, as far as I can tell.

I went back into CC, hoping to export both the avatar and the dress, but I can only export the avatar.
That means I can paint on the avatar in Substance Painter, estimating where the boundaries of the dress are, so at least I get a good start.
Then I'll have to load the approximate opacity map into CC, and iteratively refine it until I'm happy with it.

I'm still annoyed by the whole situation.
It wouldn't be quite as bad if I could have the dress and the avatar together in Substance Painter.
But at least I'm not as grumpy as I was last night.

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