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paulg625,

You are a Programmer... and once you learn what I have to share... using LightWave's tools...
You will do what 99.9% of us.... CANNOT do. (SCRIPT). :w00t:

Example:

Your response is EXCELLENT (SPOT ON!):rolleyes:
The (Pre-Built) functionality is what you use in ANY GAME ENGINE OR 3D APP to "Raise-the-Bar."

I must copy and paste what others do to complete this.
YOU.... simply need to learn "What's Available" and WRITE IT YOURSELF!
....amazing results "When you learn LightWave's Tools."

Ms. Vidi pointed out Jason Osipa's Rig... Stop Staring.
My rigs are all built this way:
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NOW.... you will see what I asked you earlier.... How to Connect THIS?
Remember, I am NO programmer... you are.

PLEASE find LightWave's method of doing THIS!!!!

Logic:
Move the Jaw (CIRCLE) "on its LOCAL (POSTION) Y AXIS.... and make the Jaw BONE... rotate "with PRECISION" on it's LOCAL (ROTATION)  Z AXIS.
You assign the Jaw_cir local Y track:
Transform - Position - Y Position TRACK.

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Assing the Jaw_bone Z_Rotation Track.

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Assign a (2-Way) Connection:  Move either object and the other follows.
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Now move the Jaw (circle) UP... in its LOCAL Y Position Axis and what happens???
The MOUTH rotates in the wrong direction. :crazy:
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Fine-Tune Control:
Add a (- "negative sign") in the expressiion)
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The mouth and cir control transform correctly..
BUT....
The mouth rotates WAAAY too fast. :crazy:

Fine-Tun Control:
 Add a "Multiplier" in the equation."Multiply it by (.2)"
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Now SHE works beautifully. :Wow:

I take this a step further and MATCH ICLONE'S  "Expression Editor"
~ Pose to Pose
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~ Phoneme to Phoneme
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~ Viseme to Viseme
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DON'T listen to them when they say... this is NOT needed.
You are learning "FINE-TUNE CONTROL"

Ready for Motion Mixing and FACIAL MOCAP!
Hope this Help :cool:

paulg625,
Look closely.... this is NOT simple morph animation..... THE BONES FOLLOW THE MORPHS.
You can export this ANYWHERE. 
~ After Effects
~ HitFilm
~ Premiere Pro  /  Vegas
~ Game Engines
ANYWHERE! 

..and they tell you... the steps I explain are not necessary.
Your choice.  :unsure:

paulg625,
If you have time to learn how to make bones... properly follow morphs/Blendshapes....
FACEWARE...

You break out the curve editor and simply copy each FW morph animation TRACK (Position & Rotation).
~ Paste it (as an INSTANCE) to your morphs.
...Remember, you made the bones follow your morphs.

Result:
POOF! ...you just re-targeted FW mocap....  to BONES.
A professional technique use throughout CGI. :)

Thank you very much butOfcOursee. This is really cool. I know it will take time to learn the ins and outs of how to do in lightwave but now I see a goal. And I'm not afraid because it is amazing how much this is like setting up a control software system. It makes sense of course because it is based on modern OOP programing which is one of my stomping grounds.  I will continue working on reviewing rigging basics and start looking into creating facial rig controllers in Lightwave it will make a great compliment to Iclone and my work flow...


I do see the potential because I have seen a few cool characters which have no rigging or morph which I would like to use for one reason or another. Now (when I get up to speed) bang drop in a bone rig and like you said copy the curves over and this non morph prep character is talking and expressing!!!

Sir,
You are most welcome.

Quick Question:
Rigging: "What's you ultimate goal?"
~ Animate using only iClone?
~ Blending Motions using only iClone?

Rigging for iClone is very EZ
~ Draw out an FK Skeleton
~ Add facial bones and point helpers
~ Link the bones
~ Zero them Out
~ Skin it

Then you:
~ Select all of the bones and point helpers and (Set A Key).
...this maintains your starting pose... TPose

Move away from your first frame (where the TPose key is set) and....
~ Move the bones and helpers to create your first morph target.

~ Then move back to your starting frame (to RE-GAIN your TPose)
..then move to frame 2 or 3 and create your 2nd morph target.
....repeat until finished.
~ Off to 3dxchange.
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The above is all you need to import characters to iClone.
BUT....

If you plan on: (Adding functionality that iClone can NOT do)
~ BLENDNG IK-FK
~ Using LightWave's "Motion Mixer"
~ Orientation constraining (2) or more objects.

Please say so, now.
why?
I will show you how to "Isolate" your rig.

LightWave's Mix Motions:
You may want to change one arm or leg motion to another one.
This is (Re-Targeting) animation.

An iClone avatar bones:
~ Shoulder
~ Upperarm
~ Forearm
~ Hand and Fingers
....are all linked (Directly) together.

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Changing that limbs animation WILL cause undesired reslults.
why?

Remember: Parent - Child
~ The child inherits Position - Rotation - Scale.

The Shoulder and Upperarm bones do NOT have the SAME (Local Orientation Axis)
Negative scale WILL transfer from the shoulder to the upperam.
(chitty result):pinch::crying:
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The iClone bones are directly linked together and WILL "Transfer Negative Scale."
You inhibit this behavior with Rigging. You break the FK hierarchy with point helpers.

Rigging goal: Understand rigging well enough to build or modify a rig in order to accomplish or speed up my work flow.
Animation: Although I want to limit the programs in my work flow and Iclone is a major part of my work flow I plan on using which ever tool I have available to accomplish my goal.
Blending motions: Same as above which ever tool gets the job don in the end. No single program is a Swiss army knife... But still want to limit my work flow to a few main programs. Iclone, Lightwave, Adobe and in a pinch Blender. 



 Yes this part interests me.

Please say so, now.
why?
I will show you how to "Isolate" your rig.

LightWave's Mix Motions:
You may want to change one arm or leg motion to another one.
This is (Re-Targeting) animation.

Re-targeting This I want to understand, this seem vital to know. Through my recent study I have touched on this...

An iClone avatar bones:
~ Shoulder
~ Upperarm
~ Forearm
~ Hand and Fingers
....are all linked (Directly) together.

__________________________________________________________________
Changing that limbs animation WILL cause undesired reslults.
why?

Remember: Parent - Child
~ The child inherits Position - Rotation - Scale.

The Shoulder and Upperarm bones do NOT have the SAME (Local Orientation Axis)
Negative scale WILL transfer from the shoulder to the upperam.
(chitty result):pinch::crying:
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The iClone bones are directly linked together and WILL "Transfer Negative Scale."
You inhibit this behavior with Rigging. You break the FK hierarchy with point helpers.

What did you learn?

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Note:
My animation question was to explain that "Animating" and "Blending Motions" are two different things.
If you really intend on "Animating".... you need to build "Controllers & Advanced Functionality" on you rig. (To speed up production)
...if not..

Create a simple FK skeleton and blend motions in iClone.

Yes I understand what you mean. I want to do the job which would require a dozen animators. I don't know how to do that much using just animation skills I need to cheat and use Mocap and pre-created animation and then use my animation skills to make it flow correctly and also to look correct for an animated character. Because sometimes mocap looks fake when applied to an animated character, Disney found this when trying to use roto-scoping and the characters seemed to float which is were some of the 12 rules of animation came from.
 So I believe to do what I want to do. I have to use this workflow to create what I want to accomplish. What I need to have is a bit of both worlds due to my intended goals. I need to be able to use some blended motions and do some animations. So I need good controllable rigs but also need to be able to use some of the retargeting functions. So I can use each tool I have to the fullest in my intended workflow, to produce the best animations I an capable of.  When I was learning to animate it was slow process and would have been quicker if I understood then how to create controls and functionality.

 Due to my current goals which is to tell stories and I'm working primary on my own. I say primary because I do purchase assets from other artist. But in the end it's just me. So with the scope of my Dreams I need to be able to animate dozens or more characters. 
So I feel I must use pre-packaged or Mocaped animations as a skeletal base then tweak this to an acceptable level of realism and I don't want it to look like packaged animations. Plus for example in the animation I currently working on I am animating a cat. I will have to create a lot of the specific animations myself.   

Right now I am looking at 3 primary avenues of getting into lightwave animation: The first and My primary interest is to bring in my Mocap animations as FBX re-target the data onto a well rigged character so I can refine and tweak the motions.  Or build the motion if needed on a good rig.  

If I was 20 and looking for a career I would just study rigging and animation. Not 50 looking to chase a dream and have a indie hobby business. I need to be able to wear all the needed hats required to create a full animated short. My actual goal is to create a short series or one really good movie length item a year. But I must learn to crawl before learning to fly.

If you have methods using only animation skills to accomplish these goals and would be willing to share. I am willing to learn as my cup is empty and ready to be filled. As I am trying to learn as much as I can to help achieve my goals. I truly appreciate all you have shared with me so far.