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I just read the Standard and Extended License

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I just read the Standard and Extended License

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wires (10/19/2024)
According to the information published by Reallusion on their support page you only have to pay the difference in price when upgrading a license.

This is about the old content and export licenses. This is no longer valid after it changed to standard and extended licenses.
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Sophus (10/19/2024)
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The problem is that you don't pay the difference between the already owned standard license and the extended license but need to pay the full extended license price and it doesn't matter that you already paid a third of that in the past.



According to the information published by Reallusion on their support page you only have to pay the difference in price when upgrading a license.

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Sophus (10/19/2024)

The problem is that you don't pay the difference between the already owned standard license and the extended license but need to pay the full extended license price and it doesn't matter that you already paid a third of that in the past.

That is unfortunate then, because I believe it used to be the difference between one license tier and the next. 



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animagic (10/18/2024)
It's been a while but you used to be able to purchase an Extended license by upgrading from Standard. Howver, it depends on the developer whether they allow it or not.

You need to go to the page for the item you have already purchased, while being logged in into your user account. Under Licence Type, you will see the license options, if available. In the example below, I already have the Standard licency, but I can upgrade if I want to.

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The problem is that you don't pay the difference between the already owned standard license and the extended license but need to pay the full extended license price and it doesn't matter that you already paid a third of that in the past.

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It's been a while but you used to be able to purchase an Extended license by upgrading from Standard. Howver, it depends on the developer whether they allow it or not.

You need to go to the page for the item you have already purchased, while being logged in into your user account. Under Licence Type, you will see the license options, if available. In the example below, I already have the Standard licency, but I can upgrade if I want to.

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Absolutely and thank you.

Well, being that I had a night to sleep on the subject, and after doing some more investigating with other marketplace's, I found that this business model is not uncommon. As a matter of fact, ArtStation also has a Standard and Extended licensing agreement and coincidentally, Extended is 3 x the price of the standard. Granted the pricing is all relative to the quality and demand of the work.

So to conclude, I certainly would not expect Reallusion and/or content developers to undercut their hard work. With that said, I think it would be fair to offer your customer base an opportunity to upgrade Standard licenses to Extended licenses. You can even limit the number of times do it, or maybe even run a promotional sale on upgrading licenses during announced time periods? I still feel strongly that this pricing model does not favor solo devs / indie devs who are on a tight budget. So Peter, if you're out there, it would be great if you could pass along this concept to the head honchos making the big bucks and decisions !    ;)

 I do however understand the reasoning behind the licensing and am now armed with education!
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When a expression pack says non exportable, does that mean if I place those expressions on my character in clone if I take those same characters and put them in unreal engine will they keep their expressions
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@araffa040872

In my personal opinion the Reallusion content is very expensive for individuals, that's correct. 

Besides that, you can get very(!) affordable assets in other stores, for example get clothes or hairstyles in the Artstation marketplace if you don't want to create them yourself in a 3d software.
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@Sophus - thank you, I am familiar with the licensing agreements. Yes you are correct that you can use components on 1 character, but that's not even close to practical nor trackable. The fact of the matter is, and I take full blame for it, I did not read the fine print and made a huge mistake with investing my time and money into Reallusion. This is simply not affordable for any individual and/or indy developer unless they want to reuse the same 10 hairstyles in all of the game productions. Here is another kick in the pants. There is not even an upgrade opportunity. So basically if you purchased the standard license and want the extended license, you have to buy it at full price !

I'm sorry but that is not good business by my standards. There should at the very least be a license upgrade option. I guarantee to you there a hundreds if not thousands of customers in this same boat and a good portion of them have yet to realize how the licensing works.

I am enclosing this link so that any others reading this topic and look at the complete licensing agreements along with the FAQ.

https://www.reallusion.com/license/content.html



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araffa040872 (10/17/2024)
Hello,

I guess I'm a little late for this party. I started using CC4/IC8 back in Nov 2023. I spent a considerable amount of money on not only the software package itself, but the content store / marketplace.

Reading between the lines, I am only just realizing that 75% of the content I purchased, I cannot use them in any video game production for commercial sales. Wow..... that literally just sucked all enthusiasm out of me for wanting to continue this journey of game development......I can certainly start all over with another product but.... this is truly disheartening....

Also, is there anyway to tell from within CC4 if the asset you are using is a Standard license vs Extended license ? How are we supposed to keep track of that while inside the software ?

Standard license content can be used in once in a single project, if I remember it correctly. So you can make one game with them. And if you get some sales and generate income, you can buy the extended license for future projects.

By the way, this isn't a problem for certain content. For example, motions are only available with a standard license, and can be used in many commercial projects.

You can easily see the license in your past purchases in your customer account at Reallusion.

Besides that, there isn't any difference between standard license content and extended license content. It's just on paper.

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