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(2022.Jan.30 updated) iClone 8 and Character Creator 4: Work-in-Progress Preview - Part One

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Is CC4 all-in-one or do you need to buy a pipeline add-on for extra`s?
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ryobg (4/8/2022)
I looked around, but what I have read got me even more confused.

Can someone explain me, if I already own CC3, IClone7 + bunch of other stuff.

* Do I have to buy a new CC4 and IC8?
* Is there discount for upgrade and how much?

If I understand correctly, I have to buy with 10%(?) discount new bundle of all the CC3/IC7/plugins so I can have the new CC4/IC8/plugins?

My understanding is that yes, unless you buy into one of the content offers that goves you a free upgrade, you will have to buy CC4/IC8 upgrades at the price listed on the web site. IC8 = $499, CC4=$249, and both together = $599. There have been a couple of very small hints that existing users might get a better deal when the products launch but nothing firm so I’d suggest budgeting to pay the listed prices. As far as the plugins go, at least at the time of launch, you should get whatever you currently own and are still supported updated to IC8/CC4 versions for free.

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I looked around, but what I have read got me even more confused.

Can someone explain me, if I already own CC3, IClone7 + bunch of other stuff.

* Do I have to buy a new CC4 and IC8?
* Is there discount for upgrade and how much?

If I understand correctly, I have to buy with 10%(?) discount new bundle of all the CC3/IC7/plugins so I can have the new CC4/IC8/plugins?
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Hi Ascensi,

Many thanks for your feedback and demo clips.
Please check your inbox for further discussions.

Best regards,
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Yeah,  you can't just throw heighmaps on a character and except them to work. There are two methods that can work 1. is take the  normal maps from each material, mirror it in photoshop because the normals are not correct/erratic and add it to the displacement channel for each material, set the smoothness to 1 in the adjust color panel. 
And this is what can be done:
 

There is a problem with how skingen blends normals from layers, you can't simply layer normals, it needs mathematical pixel offsets and I've explained this in the feedback tracker/provided the research. 

Any cracks between materials require displacement adjustments, 3DCoat for example, will export what each material's displacement map multiplier value needs to be set at but in my example above you'd just set the head to the ideal displacement multiplier yourself, then adjust the torso's multiplier next, then arms and legs so that there is a smooth crack free transition. You can open any texture in photoshop and darken the rim areas of the eyes on the head texture and nails on the arm texture and blur it to blend.

2. The other method I'm talking about is how models are prepped for displacement painting like my character here (custom meshes weight painted)  CC3 already has all the tech to make it happen for this method. They also have to stop the generators making non color images RGB instead of grayscale, or else all those textures become 2x the size, take up 2x vram and hard drive space.
This parasite CC3 Character is using is using my own sculpted mesh as cloth but on top of that is also using displacement.
 

My Troll 
character using a CC3 + Character topology  


Plus I applied soft body physics to make skin areas jiggle, something I proved works and could be made available to users if they reenabled physics for character they removed in early iClone 7.   

I'm not gonna spell it out for them how to do it, I've provided a lot over the years and they pay other people to figure it out, so they can pay someone else or offer to work with/or reward, but they currently offer no reward for your time,  yet have no problem dropping a lot of money for big contests, it just seems like your doing it for nothing especially if they use a few of your ideas in the next release but you can't afford to get it. I'm not mad at Reallusion at all, it's just their current model and likely haven't thought about incentivizing in this way. 

The only incentive for people contributing on the feedback tracker is if you are someone with a lot of money to drop all the time and need bug fixes, companies are likely cannot spare time to give them ideas. I've  dropped money since iClone 5.. For years they promoted to certified developers that they could get access to betas, I've asked but it never happened, there was no portal for this and then last year I noticed they removed that incentive. 













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Thank you, @Peter (RL)
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make sense, thank you, @animagic
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swondimu (2/3/2022)
Hello,
I have awarded free iClone 8 and CC4 upgrade and acquired the product number. The problem that I have is updating from iClone  7  to iClone 8; and CC3 to CC4. I checked the Reallusion hub for updates and there are no updates. 

How do you upgrade to iClone 8 and CC4 from iClone 7 and CC3 respectively?
Appreciate your help!


Hi...

iClone 8 and Character Creator 4 will not be released until Spring 2022. When they are released they will show up in the Reallusion Hub as separate installs. You can then install them onto the same computer alongside iClone 7 and CC3 or you can uninstall the older versions and just install the new versions.

                                                                

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swondimu (2/3/2022)
Hello,
I have awarded free iClone 8 and CC4 upgrade and acquired the product number. The problem that I have is updating from iClone  7  to iClone 8; and CC3 to CC4. I checked the Reallusion hub for updates and there are no updates. 

How do you upgrade to iClone 8 and CC4 from iClone 7 and CC3 respectively?
Appreciate your help!

iClone 8 and CC4 have not been released yet. Release is expected sometime in the Spring.


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Hello,
I have awarded free iClone 8 and CC4 upgrade and acquired the product number. The problem that I have is updating from iClone  7  to iClone 8; and CC3 to CC4. I checked the Reallusion hub for updates and there are no updates. 

How do you upgrade to iClone 8 and CC4 from iClone 7 and CC3 respectively?
Appreciate your help!

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