(2022.Jan.30 updated) iClone 8 and Character Creator 4: Work-in-Progress Preview

(2022.Jan.30 updated) iClone 8 and Character Creator 4: Work-in-Progress Preview - Part One

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By Miranda (RL) - 4 Years Ago

(2022.Jan.30 updated) ♫

Dear Reallusioners,

We’re pleased to announce that the second wave of Work-in-Progress update just kicked off this week! You can find the latest feature videos of iClonen 8 (iC8) and Character Creator 4 (CC4) on our YouTube channel.

For iClone users, the following functions are featured in the Work-in-Progress video of Part Two :

▪ Rotoscope

▪ Pose Mixer

▪ Expandable Character-centric Timeline

▪ Curve Editor

For more details, please refer to the discussion thread at iClone section.

For Character Creator users, the following functions are featured in the Work-in-Progress video of Part Two :

▪ Scalable Expression Editing - Standard (60) | Extended (140)

▪ Smart Skin Shader

▪ Bake shader color to texture - for Live Link or Export

For more details, please refer to the discussion thread at Character Creator section.

Further information will come after the Lunar New Year holiday (Jan. 27th - Feb. 6th). Reallusion team will return to our Taipei office on February 7th.
Please feel free to contact our Support Team or join the discussion online. We look forward to hearing any feedback/questions from you :)

Wish you good luck in the year of the Tiger.

Reallusion Team / 2022 January

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Dear Reallusioners,

Many of you have high expectations for iClone 8 (iC8) and Character Creator 4 (CC4), and after a long wait, we are happy to announce that they are ready for preview. In this first-look into the future of character production, we’ll show off the BIGGEST feature packed release ever, slated for release in 2022. We here at Reallusion have not only listened closely to your requests, but we have also continually strived to innovate beyond your expectation.

The new platform for character creation and animation is defining the future of 3D characters ready for any given render engine and 3D application. We aim to provide a character solution fit for every environment that can be enliven by digital actors.

The innovations presented in Character Creator 4 and iClone 8 make these two technologies into the pillars of power for creation and animation. New tools provide ease of use, the ability to animate with precision, and bring characters to life.

You can check the 3D Character Creation & Animation webpage for more information about presale orders, feature comparison, and FAQs.

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/c01a6179-393b-4cce-9cde-4231.jpg

If you have further questions, please contact our Support Team, or join the discussion here.

Reallusion Team

By harryknow84 - 4 Years Ago

Awesome 😎

By vidi - 4 Years Ago

exciting news! :)

By ReiniWien - 4 Years Ago

hi miranda,

i saw on your page that i have to spend 400 dollars on software and 400 dollars on content.

Spend over $399 from both the Software and Content Stores during the Year End Treats period.

my problem is, i have all the software.
so will it be fine to spend the whole amount of 800 dollars just on content store to get the new release for free?

thx, ReiniWien

By w7media - 4 Years Ago

Hello Iclone user,
I just read this Year end treats thing. Do I see it right that the Iclone8 update is now chargeable...?
And did I understand that correctly with the price given?
Or is that just a pre-sale thing.... or....what did I not understand here?
Ok, with a purchase of so and so much you get it for free....but I have already bought so much software, plug ins and extensions....I don't have such a big purchase wish at the moment.
Greeting Arne

By oonabe - 4 Years Ago

The new features are looking amazing but to be honest, I'm not very happy with many of the current news, I feel like I'm wasting a lot of money for nothing. I purchased 3dxchange not long ago and now it will be discontinued, I recently purchased the Curve Editor plugin and now it's going to be included in iClone 8 for free and I won't get a free update because I'm not interested to expend a big amount of money on the store for things I don't need in just two months, I hope the paid upgrade is not (almost) as expensive as purchasing iClone 8 as a new customer because if that's the case I'm out

By Room101Studios - 4 Years Ago

oonabe (11/2/2021)

Yup. I didn't need it, but I upgraded to 3DX Pipeline, just to have a complete set. I was planning on migrating from Maya to iClone for animations, but after using iClone and realizing I was stuck with 90s-era Poser puppeteering, I just export my characters from CC, do a quick rig in maya using HumanIK and do all my animations there. It makes me mad, too, 'cos I bought BOTH the new hair plugins as soon as they came out, popcornFX (thinking I could export the vfx), iRay plugin, SkinGen, Headshot, thinking I would be changing my animation suite. Thankfully, I didn't get the curve editor, but I realized quite quickly, I wasn't going to be using iClone like I was planning.

This is kind of a slap in the face, to me. It's nothing against RL, but I don't need their animations, I can make my own, so me being on the hook for another 800$, with them depreciating a 599$ software I just bought this year, kinda pisses me off.

I doubt I'll get anything other than CC4 and that's a big IF now.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

ReiniWien (11/2/2021)

hi miranda,

i saw on your page that i have to spend 400 dollars on software and 400 dollars on content.

Spend over $399 from both the Software and Content Stores during the Year End Treats period.

my problem is, i have all the software.
so will it be fine to spend the whole amount of 800 dollars just on content store to get the new release for free?

thx, ReiniWien

You can spend the whole amount on content if you wish. You will still get iClone 8 and Character Creator 4 FREE.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

w7media (11/2/2021)

Hello Iclone user,
I just read this Year end treats thing. Do I see it right that the Iclone8 update is now chargeable...?

Major updates from one version number to the next have always required purchasing an upgrade. So if you already have iClone 7 or Character Creator 3 Pipeline then you can just wait until the new versions are released and then purchased an upgrade for a discounted price.

Alternatively if you need any other software or content you can take advantage of the pre-order offers and get a FREE copy.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

oonabe (11/2/2021)

Hi...

iClone 8 and Character Creator 4 are not scheduled for release until at least Spring 2022. For those who have previously purchased 3DXchange 7 and the Curve Editor you still have many months to use them before the new releases are available. In addition iClone 7 and 3DXchange 7 Pipeline can still be used on another computer at the same time as iClone 8 so your previous purchases do not need to become obsolete.

By Room101Studios - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/2/2021)

[quote]w7media (11/2/2021)

Hello Iclone user,
Major updates from one version number to the next have always required purchasing an upgrade. So if you already have iClone 7 or Character Creator 3 Pipeline then you can just wait until the new versions are released and then purchased an upgrade for a discounted price.

Alternatively if you need any other software or content you can take advantage of the pre-order offers and get a FREE copy.

Oh, so you ARE going to be offering a discount upgrade, then? Whew. That changes things, then. I don't mind paying an upgrade cost, but I don't want to pay full price again. Honestly, all the additions would allow me to drop to the lower cost subscription service for Maya for just modeling. Still not a fan of blender, but that's probably 'cos I've been using Maya for over 15 years. XD

Thanks for the clarification, Peter. The way the website words it, there's no upgrade cost for owners of iClone 7.

By oonabe - 4 Years Ago

Room101Studios (11/2/2021)

Yeah, this is my plan too, I'll wait and see how much is the upgrade price for current iClone7 and CC3 owners and depending on that I might upgrade or definitely move to another software and start creating my animations there

By Room101Studios - 4 Years Ago

oonabe (11/2/2021)

If the upgrade cost is under 400$, say half what the full-price suite is, I'll consider it. What I pay in subscription fees for Maya, MB and 3DMax, could be vastly offset, if I can move to iClone. I can dump my MB and Max subscriptions and get the indie license for Maya. Be nice to dump the Arnold subscription too. I was miffed, when they dropped Mental Ray and released Maya with a single frame Arnold renderer. That was precisely why I looked into iClone.

By oonabe - 4 Years Ago

yeah, I think there are some alternatives, even when they might need more work than iclone but if that's going to save money long term they might be interesting ones, I personally am looking into Houdini because it has some very good simulations and procedural modeling and also Blender, which is free. Of course that would mean a lot more work but on the other side that's software that can do a lot more than iClone in other parts of the process.

but wouldn't $400 actually be the full price for both iClone and CC? At least is waht their current price looks like for me when they're not on sale ($199 each)

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

oonabe (11/2/2021)

but wouldn't $400 actually be the full price for both iClone and CC? At least is waht their current price looks like for me when they're not on sale ($199 each)

The full price (not upgrade) of CC4 is $299 and iClone 8 is $599. If both are purchased together the cost is $699.

This is why the pre-sale offers are such a great deal. You can purchase other software or content now and get both products totally FREE upon release.

By RowdyWabbid - 4 Years Ago

If we pay only the upgrades to the latest version of CC and iClone. Do the plugins also get updated for free or do we have to buy them again or pay for upgrades on those as well? ie Skingen, Motion Link?

Edit: nvm found the FAQ on it.

Will the existing plug-ins be compatible with iClone 8 and Character Creator 4?

If you own the following iClone 7 and Character Creator 3 paid plug-ins, you will get a free upgrade version to be compatible with iClone 8 and Character Creator 4.
iClone: Motion LIVE Plug-in, all mocap profiles for Motion LIVE Plug-in, iClone Unreal Live Link, PopcornFX, Iray Render Plug-in
Character Creator: Headshot Plugin, SkinGen Premium Plug-in, Iray Render Plug-in

By michaelrbarton - 4 Years Ago

I think the reason iClone 8 is $599 is it has parts of 3DXchange Pipeline built in to IC8, plus some plugins (you have to pay for to use with IC7).

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

RowdyWabbid (11/2/2021)

The following Plug-ins will get a FREE upgrade for iClone 8 or Character Creator 4. So if you own them for iClone 7 and CC3 you won't need to purchase again whichever method you use to get iClone 8 and CC4.

iClone: Motion LIVE Plug-in, all mocap profiles for Motion LIVE Plug-in, iClone Unreal Live Link, PopcornFX, Iray Render Plug-in

Character Creator: Headshot Plugin, SkinGen Premium Plug-in, Iray Render Plug-in.

By Room101Studios - 4 Years Ago

oonabe (11/2/2021)

The in-screen animation is the biggest pull for me. I HATE puppeteering animation. All it does is slow me down. I spend over 1500$ a year for Autodesk suite licenses. I can bring that down to 260/yr for just the indie license of Maya. I've already integrated CC characters with UMA for Unity, to replace the ugly looking UMA models. My biggest issue is characters with things like tails and wings. No matter what, I have to rig and animate those in Maya. I probably should have played with the demo of iClone 7, but I liked 5, when I tested the demo, I just didn't have a use for it. When that sale started in 2019, due to Coof and I managed to get iClone Pipe, CC Pipe, iRay, Popcorn, , Digital Humans, Skingen all 50% off, I dove right in. I was already familiar with how compatible CC was with Unity, so it was a natural purchase. That's when I realized it had puppeteer controls and went "Ugh!" XD

I will, however, give RL some seriously MAD props with their milestones. IClone and Character Creator get MASSIVELY better with each update. I just wish I could pass popcorn FX back and forth from iClone and Unity. :( The interface for iClones PCFX is way nicer than the external one and Unity's.

By oonabe - 4 Years Ago

yeah, I can totally see that part, the thing is that the upgrade deal is already more expensive than the price I paid for these two pieces of software as a completely new customer not long ago and that including the Headshot plugin.

I don't know if including the pipeline / 3dxchange features into iClone 8 justifies the price becoming 3 times the price it used to be, specially for loyal customers who already bought 3dxchange or pipeline versions in the past having no advantages at all and seeing how they drop further development on 3dxchange.

Also the fact that only purchases done in November and December count for this deal is questionable in my opinion, I've spent near that amount of money during the whole year but just not at the end of it so I see no advantage from it either. I don't know, I was excited seeing the new features but I can't justify the price of an upgrade for what I get compared to what I already have and after having already given a considerable amount of money on RL software.

By Room101Studios - 4 Years Ago

oonabe (11/2/2021)

Right there with you. We'll just have to wait and see.

By gm.mikelryan - 4 Years Ago

I'm really dissapointed to see the upgrade price from version 7. Motion correction should be a free update to users - or at the very least available as one of your infamous plug-ins... I've spent nearly 2k on your products and it still doesn't work very well. I wouldn't be suprised if the 'free' version of 8 has half the functions stripped out - thats something you've done in the past. Focusing on Unreal & Autodesk going forward, just tired of all the bate and switch.

By animasyoncugu - 4 Years Ago

Peter,

Peter, I want to ask you something. I want to make it clear if I understood correctly because of the translation.

Will iclon 8 and cc4 be released in the spring of 2022 at the latest, so is there a chance of an early release?

Or is it certain that it will be released in the spring of 2022? which is correct?

If I buy iclon 8 now, can I use the beta version?

By Amper Sand - 4 Years Ago

If I correctly understood:
- it will be released in spring 2022
- if you qualify in spending in other RL products in November-December, then you'll get a free version in January 22, 2022.

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

ampertox (11/2/2021)

If I correctly understood:
- it will be released in spring 2022
- if you qualify in spending in other RL products in November-December, then you'll get a free version in January 22, 2022.

I believe the January 22, 2022 is incorrect. The release would still be Spring 2022, but you are eligible for the free version.

By Amper Sand - 4 Years Ago

@animagic

Thanks! I was almost correct, I checked now, here's the copy-paste

7. Qualified members will be officially announced and contacted via email after the promotional period ends, around January 20th, 2022.

https://www.reallusion.com/member/promotion.aspx

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

gm.mikelryan (11/2/2021)

I wouldn't be suprised if the 'free' version of 8 has half the functions stripped out - thats something you've done in the past. Focusing on Unreal & Autodesk going forward, just tired of all the bate and switch.

There is only one version of iClone 8. If you buy it full price, as an upgrade, or get it FREE as part of the pre-sale offer, the version you get will be the same.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

animasyoncugu (11/2/2021)

Peter,

Peter, I want to ask you something. I want to make it clear if I understood correctly because of the translation.

Will iclon 8 and cc4 be released in the spring of 2022 at the latest, so is there a chance of an early release?

Or is it certain that it will be released in the spring of 2022? which is correct?

If I buy iclon 8 now, can I use the beta version?

Spring 2022 is the planned release date. The full release won't be any earlier. At the moment you can't buy iClone 8 but you can take part in the pre-sale offer to get a free copy when it releases in the Spring 2022. There is no open beta period currently running but if a decision is made to do so then it will be announced here on the forum.

By gonzeac - 4 Years Ago

Hello. I have a simple question. Will I be able to continue using cc3 and iclone 7 as well as the plug-ins that I have?

Or I will stop receiving support if I do not update to these versions

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

gonzeac (11/3/2021)

Hello. I have a simple question. Will I be able to continue using cc3 and iclone 7 as well as the plug-ins that I have?

Or I will stop receiving support if I do not update to these versions

Yes you can continue using iClone 7 and CC3 and all plug-ins. :)

By RowdyWabbid - 4 Years Ago

Is this upgrade price still the same if you own either the pro or pipeline versions of these products?

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/9efbdd1d-1396-4e84-82b3-9891.png

By lancelotcq2 - 4 Years Ago

The cost of upgrading concerns me as someone just getting into Iclone and character creator. After just investing quite a bit,
I am forced to reevaluate whether I should continue spending time
Learning this workflow if I’m going to have to spend another 7 or 8 hundred dollars to continue using the latest versions. I don’t plan on spending another 400 or 700 dollars in add ons as I already spent quite a lot. It sort of ridiculous to charge us users all over again simply because a new version of thw software comes out. I’m pretty listed at the idea and debating just dropping g it for another workflow I already know.

By lancelotcq2 - 4 Years Ago

The correct question is, is the upgrade price the same if you don’t go buy another several hundred in their products before Dec 1. I spent thousands on their software already and now they’re gonna gouge me for an upgrade if I don’t purchase a bunch of their other stuff. Ridiculous actually.

By ReiniWien - 4 Years Ago

thx peter, is it ok to just spend the money for DA-points? without ordering assets at the moment?

ReiniWien

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

ReiniWien (11/3/2021)

thx peter, is it ok to just spend the money for DA-points? without ordering assets at the moment?
ReiniWien

Unfortunately the Pre-Sale Offers are only for purchases made in the Reallusion Online Software Store and the Reallusion Online Content Store. The offer does not apply to purchases from (1) DA Points (2) Reallusion Marketplace (3) ActorCore.

By jeffkirkland - 4 Years Ago

I'm wondering about backwards compatibility? Times are tough and I'm not expecting things to change much in the next six months so If I can't save all the way to the upgrade price for both IC4 & CC4, is it possible to just update iClone and still use CC3 or do they both need to be updated to V4? Do any of the new IC4 features specifically require CC4 avatars?

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

jeffkirkland (11/3/2021)

Hi Jeff

You will still be able to use CC3 to create characters for iClone 8 but obviously you won't have access to the many new features and avatar types coming in CC4.

By gonzeac - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/3/2021)

jeffkirkland (11/3/2021)

Hi Jeff

You will still be able to use CC3 to create characters for iClone 8 but obviously you won't have access to the many new features and avatar types coming in CC4.

Good afternoon Peter. One more question please. If I create the characters in CC4,will I be able to export and animate them in Iclone 7?

By gordryd - 4 Years Ago

Hi Peter, would upgrades from iContent to Export versions count towards the purchase total?

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

gonzeac (11/3/2021)

Good afternoon Peter. One more question please. If I create the characters in CC4,will I be able to export and animate them in Iclone 7?

Unfortunately no. Characters saved in CC4 will only be compatible with iClone 8.

By michaelrbarton - 4 Years Ago

Why not have a regular version of IC8 with parts not activated, just like the free version of CC3. When I click on skin weights to use in free CC3, it says I have to upgrade to Pipeline version.
You can price IC8 for $299 and CC4 for $149 without the upgrades. And for longtime users, you can knock $50 off each. That sounds more reasonable. There are some things in IC8 I probably would not use,
like the curve editor. I don't have enough knowledge in using some of the plug ins. And my PC specs are not up to speed. A lot of people will not buy IC8 because of the price. I would rather spend the $$ on getting
a better PC than to buy IC8 and CC4 at that price. You are pricing yourself out of the market.

By Ascensi - 4 Years Ago

1. Will CC4 allow the modifying of bones without deforming the skin? (reskinning) Some models need modification like twisting limbs so when mocap is used the parts can work backwards etc but simply twisting the bones now deforms the mesh part.

2. Will CC4 have Body parts that can be snapped onto a character, like tentacles, 3 heads etc? A user should have the ability to retarget/assign the parts they want to use mocap with. I shared this on the feedback tracker years ago, and explained in detail how it could be achieved. Even now specific numbered vertex points on body parts with a single bone or complete limb could have a snap-to other matching vertex points with welding.

3. Are all features already decided? I'm wondering if soft body character physics is being developed or performance enhancements are coming like assign culling, automatic Texture LOD (Hi res textures are swapped/streamed with lower ones in the distance. Mip Map is ok but hasn't evolved and textures should be streamed (reallocated for set distances) to reduce ram usage rather than be resident in memory. This is one of the great limitations of large scenes -not having enough memory.. iClone has a max texture setting option and I think this should be done per asset. Iray is partially smart this way allowing us to set the resolution for each material but this too should be dynamic based on distance! (drop a sphere, load 8k textures on it, start zoom out, you'll not see any reduction from texture memory usage with current Mipmaps. In my opinion it should be reducing the amount of memory loaded in ram real time as you zoom out.
I've also shared my method of increasing speed by more than 3x for all CPU processing - Iray exports, fast processing of Physics baking by shrinking or completely removing the viewport, and another option that I haven't shared yet provides an additional 3x, what's that worth to other companies and Reallusion? Also i.mergeproj -the ability to merge/couple & detach scenes to make larger or lessor ones, right now we can't do either and are often forced to rebuild from scratch.

By AniMajik - 4 Years Ago

I am curious as to when the CC4 WIP video will be available?

I am slowly adding to my cart to meet the $799+ amount (for both CC4 and iClone8), but since I already have so much content, I am finding it harder and harder to find content that I will actually use :)

I also have a question about the update/upgrade pricing:
I understand that going the $799+ content to get both CC4 and IC8 also includes free updates to my current plug-inns, but if I were to just buy an upgrade/update price of $600 for both, (when available) do I also get a free update/upgrade to all my plug-ins as well? Please set me straight on that.

I'll get the new apps in any case, but if I can do it without buying a lot of stuff I will really not use, I'll go that route.

Looking forward to seeing the CC4 demo video.

-AniMajik
FatCatAlley.net

By helielfilmz - 4 Years Ago

Can you add softbody physics to models, a better hair and cloth physics. Could you implement the ability for characters to keep their blendshape morphs when importing from Blender would really like to keep my morphs intact on my character.

By oonabe - 4 Years Ago

AniMajik (11/4/2021)

Yes, at least that's what FAQ #6 (Point 2) says on the current promo website

https://www.reallusion.com/event/21-promotion/

By AniMajik - 4 Years Ago

Thanks, @oonabe. I missed that!

-AniMajik

By jelms1 - 4 Years Ago

Although I admire updates and upgrades, I do fall into the group that is very put off about just purchasing so much software and the plugins (Thousands of dollars) only to find out a short while later that you have to spend another 800$ est just to get the upgrades that are coming in a few months. I "JUST" got the new hair and beard stuff and suddenly this...

Now... I know in a perfect world, the end would justify the means, but I don't see this going any other way save for the "You know that new beard and hair plugin set that cost several hundred USD that was extremely limited, but touted as if it wasn't to garner sales? Here is an addon to finally get a lot more use out of it... that is only available in CC4... that you have to now purchase to be able to use it."

I sure hope I am wrong and that the deal of "Give us more money so you can give us more money" thing is done.

By joel.lovell - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/3/2021)

ReiniWien (11/3/2021)

thx peter, is it ok to just spend the money for DA-points? without ordering assets at the moment?
ReiniWien

That's too bad, in particular not being able to buy ActorCore and have it apply. I already bought a pile of stuff to get the Elite2021 deal, and have hardly used it as there isn't anything left I want to buy.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

AniMajik (11/4/2021)

:
I understand that going the $799+ content to get both CC4 and IC8 also includes free updates to my current plug-inns, but if I were to just buy an upgrade/update price of $600 for both, (when available) do I also get a free update/upgrade to all my plug-ins as well? Please set me straight on that.

Yes, whichever method you use to get iClone 8 and CC4, all your existing plug-ins will be upgraded to the new versions for free. You won't have to purchase again or pay to upgrade them.

By ReiniWien - 4 Years Ago

This is true. I bought a lot of things and i know i will spend money in the next time but not under pressure because to be honest: at now there is not enough content available. i own the assets already.

so da-points should be a good compromise…

By Ascensi - 4 Years Ago

@helielfilmz I've asked for a better physics system on the feedback tracker that can be used on Characters as well to have discreet physical interactions like punch, pinch, grip and pull etc. If it had a grid based particle collider spread evenly over body parts/materials, Screen space particle colliders might be an ideal solution for fast real time performance that could work between two Soft Body Characters at the same time using mocap!

It's listed under 3DXChange but I since noted it should be for iClone as I realized what is possible making my own Softbody Physics Character working in iClone,
If you like the idea, please vote for it here: https://www.reallusion.com/FeedBackTracker/Issue/Request-to-allow-Softbody-Physics-on-character-s-skin-influenced-areas-are-to-determined-by-weight-map-painting
I don't know if they've finalized what will be added for iClone 8, the votes are adding up fast!. iClone does have softbody physics for objects and it requires decent mesh resolution for proper deformations. Hair UV strips for the physics texture should be pure black at the root and gradually end with grey, so if you create hair its good to line up the UV hair strands straight & vertical with the roots at the top and tip pointing down for consistency and easy control.

By GIM - 4 Years Ago

Yep, feel exactly the same way and this has ALWAYS been an escalating issue with RL 'upgrades'. I've been with them since iClone2 and have most of their stuff. However, the content store contains nothing but junk when trying to use it in Unreal Engine. I've had to return everything I've purchased from the content store to use in UE as none of it works, too many material/shader issues.
So what if I buy 800 bucks worth of useless store content, get the free iC/CC upgrade then refund the useless content???

By TheOldGuard - 4 Years Ago

I just want to confirm that based on section 7 we do not have to actually Apply like you do with Elite 2022 program ?
And that we will just be emailed to confirm we were successful in Jan 2022 ?

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/09995f9e-3aa8-4328-8297-cefc.png

By mtakerkart - 4 Years Ago

Really cool Reallusion !! The implementation of volumetric lighting is such a simplicity shows how far ahead you are compared to other apps.

I would add the same thing for the creation of the animation, indeed put back the "director" function that existed in version 5 shows how visionary you can be.

If by any chance you offer an open beta for people who pre-order then I would change my

financial priorities. Otherwise I would wait until next spring.

Congratulations

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

ReiniWien (11/4/2021)

DA points are like money in the bank that doesn't necessarily benefit RL if you spend it on third-party content for which RL only gets a percentage.

Hmm, I just realized after I wrote this that the same holds for third-party stuff from the Content Store.

By matenn30 - 4 Years Ago

TheOldGuard is a great challenger. I plan to buy multiple Chibi Chibi Weekly Specials and buy a moderate one, such as iclone7, for $ 799 in the second half of December. I'm sorry, it seems to be mounted, but this is my way of buying. This iclone product is a way to bear fruit in the opening of future lesson classes. By the way, I got permission from the realization company. The rest is permission from the parents' family.

TheOldGuardさんすごい、チャレンジャーです。自分はちびちびウィークリースペシャルを複数台購入しまくりし12月の後半に適度なもの例えばiclone7等を799＄分購入する計画です。すいませんマウント気味ですが、これが自分の買い方です。このicloneの商品は、将来のレッスン教室開講開業で実を結ぶ手段です。ちなみに自分はリアリュージョン会社元に許可をもらいました。あとは父母家族の許可です。

By the way, the weekly special is real illusion once a week in Japan from 9am on Thursday to once a week in the US on Wednesday, but I don't know what time it is, but you can buy multiple real illusion products from 1 to 10 $ or more at that time. is. It saves a lot, but I don't know which product will come out.

ちなみにウィークリースペシャルは、リアリュージョン日本で週一回木曜九時～アメリカは週一回水曜何時か分かりませんが、その時のリアリュージョン製品１から10＄以上のもの１品を複数商品買うことです。結構節約になりますが、どの商品が出るのか分かりません。

Weekly specials are also available in the corner of the content store by scrolling and clicking. And the content and export licenses are cheap, as I say many times, I buy more than one to open the classroom.

また、ウィークリースペシャルは、コンテンツストアの隅にありスクロールしクリックすると出ます。そしてコンテンツやエクスポートライセンスも安いです、何度も言いますが、自分は教室開講の為に複数購入します。

This is an important and careful review of the basics. Realization product software and contents are 1 unit purchased 1 ID 1 content 1 unit. Offline Online Especially if you purchase multiple items and use them at the same time, add 1 to each.

これは基礎おさらいで重要で注意です。リアリュージョン製品ソフトやコンテンツは　、1台購入1ID1コンテンツ1台です。オフラインオンライン特に複数購入し同時に使う場合は1それぞれ追加ですが。

By ReiniWien - 4 Years Ago

animagic (11/6/2021)

ReiniWien (11/4/2021)

I think, for our productions we will buy the best content available because we want the best results. So we mainly buy content from contentstore. it would be ok to exclusive reserve this DA points for reallusion software and content. In this way they get 100% of my money :-)

By gm.mikelryan - 4 Years Ago

you can use the free vesion of houdini with fbx to add good rag doll physics to your animations

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

GIM (11/5/2021)

So what if I buy 800 bucks worth of useless store content, get the free iC/CC upgrade then refund the useless content???

You can only refund content up to 14 days after purchase.

However, if you were to obtain iClone 8 and CC4 fraudulently in any way then your serial numbers would be cancelled and the items removed from your account.

By joao.henriques - 4 Years Ago

I will spend around 1k in motions and stuff but only if at least I have the possibility to export body morphs to unreal... will this be a feature of iclone8 ?

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

I don't know if this has been asked yet but would upgrading to Export licenses of content you already own also count? That would help me out. :satisfied:

EDIT: Instead of waiting for an answer, I risked $25 and found that Export licenses will be included in the total spent.

By VirtualMedia - 4 Years Ago

Will there be any VR AR or IR technology development in V8?

By paul.golds - 4 Years Ago

Will CC4 still use the same content and plugins that CC3 does?

If it does then I may well grab a load of stuff to use in it and get the free upgrades, but if it doesn't then I'll need to think more as I don't want to buy a load of stuff which will be outdated soon.

By oonabe - 4 Years Ago

paul.golds (11/11/2021)

seems like not every plugin will get a free update and also some current plugins will be included in the new versions anyways (partial 3dxchange and the curve editor plugin).

you can find a list of the plugins that will get a free update under point 6 here
https://www.reallusion.com/event/21-promotion/

you can find out there which plugins might be worth purchasing now for a free upgrade and which not

By mr_vidius - 4 Years Ago

animagic (11/6/2021)

so it looks like one would need export licenses to get the benefit of the new versions even if you are only using cc4 and ic8.

vidius

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

mr_vidius (11/15/2021)

animagic (11/6/2021)

so it looks like one would need export licenses to get the benefit of the new versions even if you are only using cc4 and ic8.

vidius

If you render in iClone only you wouldn't need that, but for rendering in Omniverse and other external applications you'll need export licenses.

By megaoutput - 4 Years Ago

If you guys did an open beta IF you preorder would be a amazing idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By 0oseven - 4 Years Ago

gm.mikelryan (11/6/2021)

you can use the free vesion of houdini with fbx to add good rag doll physics to your animations

By 0oseven - 4 Years Ago

mtakerkart (11/5/2021)

Really cool Reallusion !! The implementation of volumetric lighting is such a simplicity shows how far ahead you are compared to other apps.

I would add the same thing for the creation of the animation, indeed put back the "director" function that existed in version 5 shows how visionary you can be.

If by any chance you offer an open beta for people who pre-order then I would change my

financial priorities. Otherwise I would wait until next spring.

Congratulations

So far ahead - really ? I came to Iclone 6 months ago from Daz Carrara 8.5pro [ sadly not supported anymore ] That program has had volumetric lights AND clouds for fifteen years oh yes and heaps of other capabilities not fouund in Iclone, at least not without buying extras like the curve editor.!! Doesn't even have multi viewports [ default camera in Cararra is "directors" ] The mini viewport is not much use - cant manipulate in it and it doesn't render same as main viewport.
I love all the animation tools in Iclone but otherwise its a clunky interface with its never ending opening/closing of panels and massive footprint needs overhaul - Unlikely as its probably a result of the SDK they use.
I am really haviing a problem making decisions owing to the way RI goes about selling their product. I might be willing to part with my dollars but the the way RI markets annoys me - I call it supermarket strategy ! 50% off, to me, means OVERPRICED to start with, so its hard to plan purchases if you wait for the "correct" price. Had aabout 400 dollars of product in my basket that suddenly disappeared because deal expired - yet no expiry date was in my email offer . Upgrade ? Hmmm maybe. [ gripe over, ha ha ! ]

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

Carrara has indeed many fine features as have had many other 3D applications from smaller vendors over the years. However, they are either dead or, in the case of Carrera, no longer supported.

I don't believe people really appreciate the economics of keeping an independent 3D application going without selling out at some point as in the case of Substance or being gobbled up by the likes of Adobe or Autodesk.

I don't always agree with the way RL runs their promotions as it comes over rather clumsily at times, but I also know that there is no intended deviousness or greediness. I know many here work happily without a salary but that is not always realistic.

The good news is everybody has a choice to upgrade or not. Fortunately, the current storm is minor compared to what happened when iClone 6 was introduced...:unsure:

By kungphu - 4 Years Ago

animagic (11/20/2021)

The good news is everybody has a choice to upgrade or not. Fortunately, the current storm is minor compared to what happened when iClone 6 was introduced...:unsure:

Oh yeah, I remember those days. Those were some pretty dark times. Yikes!

By facr73 - 4 Years Ago

One thing I would lie to see in IC8 is an auto breathing mode just like the blinking. And the possibility to animate it in the timeline meaning you could turn it off/on

By delebash - 4 Years Ago

If I purchase iClone 7 and CC3 now do I get a free upgrade to CC4 and iClone 8?

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

delebash (11/22/2021)

If I purchase iClone 7 and CC3 now do I get a free upgrade to CC4 and iClone 8?

The important thing is not to buy the programs, but to make $799 worth of purchases.
You get free cc4+ic8 when you go over $799 in total for the program, add-ons and content.

But you will not use these programs until new programs come out, I recommend you to buy content and add-ons.
I don't know if iclone 7 and cc3 are required for the upgrade.

You don't need to buy 3dxchange and curve editor as they are already included in new programs.

By animatedbeing - 4 Years Ago

$799 is still steep. It would be nice for current iClone/CC3 pipeline owners to only have to spend $699. But, I'm going to use the Black Friday sale to get a lot of animation sets that are on my wish list.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

I also canceled some of my orders, I will do a more efficient shopping.
Black friday started 4 days before my refund expired, I was lucky.
Some animations are discounted on actorcore and black friday coupons are applied through the discount.
It also gives a $10 gift for every $100.
There are animations that are $50 difference.
But actorcore products don't count towards the free cc3+ic8 limit.

By jarret.deme - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/23/2021)

delebash (11/22/2021)

If I purchase iClone 7 and CC3 now do I get a free upgrade to CC4 and iClone 8?

This is a good point and a question I have as well. I am a new customer, so if I purchase everything except CC3 and IC7, do I have to wait for the release of CC4 and IC8 to use any of the $800+ I spent on addons and plugins, or do I receive a copy of IC7 and CC3 beforehand for free?

On the upgrade page it actually says, "For new users, you can get iClone 7 and Character Creator 3 now, and free upgrade to iClone 8 and Character Creator 4", but I feel like this implies you can purchase the old software beforehand and get the upgrade later.

Would love some clarification before dropping $800+ on the store!

Thanks!

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

delebash (11/22/2021)

If I purchase iClone 7 and CC3 now do I get a free upgrade to CC4 and iClone 8?

No. The pre-sale offer is based on the amount of money spent in the software store or content store before December 31st.

So if you spend $399+ you will get Character Creator 4 free. If you spend $699+ you will get iClone 8 free, and if you spend $799+ you will get both free.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

jarret.deme (11/23/2021)

Hi...

If you purchase $799 only on content then you will get iClone 8 and CC4 free when they are released in the spring but you won't get iClone 7 and CC3 now.

However, you can purchase iClone 7 and CC3 Pipeline now, plus some content or plug-ins to reach the $799 required spend, and then you will get iClone 8 and CC4 free as well.

By wires - 4 Years Ago

jarret.deme (11/23/2021)

yepkoo (11/23/2021)

delebash (11/22/2021)

If I purchase iClone 7 and CC3 now do I get a free upgrade to CC4 and iClone 8?

I'm sure that Peter will give a detailed answer to the above questions, but I have a very strong feeling that it is not possible to purchase content for iClone and CC without having registered (purchased) copies of both. Of one thing I am sure of is that without having iClone and/or CC installed it is impossible to download any content as this is done using the Smart Gallery - and the SG only works from within iClone and/or CC. :Whistling::ermm::unsure:

Edit:
It would appear from the answer just posted by Peter that it is indeed possible to purchase content without owning the software.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

However, it will not be able to use any content until the distribution of the programs begins.
Also I don't know if programs are required for some GIF giveaways.

It may cost more if you don't buy it as a bundle.

For example, ultimate digital human + headshot plugin + Hair & Beard Builder Combo costs $506.

But after adding the "Ultimate Digital Human Creation Bundle v2 with Headshot" package to the cart, if you add another product next to it, the "cartoon animator set" costs 660 dollars. So you're buying more things with a difference of $155.
You can add other products with your remaining limit, moreover you get cc3 and cartoon animator + many addons.
Sure, you can buy content instead of cartoon animator, but the others are almost certainly must-have items.
Of course, this was an example, it would be useful to examine the product prices and bundles.
These prices are because it's Black Friday, otherwise it's double :)
You need to calculate very carefully before buying.
With a good account, it can turn into a very profitable purchase.

By 3Aliens - 4 Years Ago

It looks EPIC!

WOW! How much it will cost? And will Plugins like Popcorn FX still work?

I tried to read a little bit, and dont understand. If i buy for 800 Dollars Content from the Store i get Iclone 8 for free?

By jeffkirkland - 4 Years Ago

3Aliens (12/6/2021)

It looks EPIC!

WOW! How much it will cost? And will Plugins like Popcorn FX still work?

Pricing is in the preview FAQ but it's $599 for the two apps together. Most plugins, including PopcornFX, will be upgraded free. You can read more here: https://www.reallusion.com/3d-creation/

By 3Aliens - 4 Years Ago

The full price (not upgrade) of CC4 is $299 and iClone 8 is $599. If both are purchased together the cost is $699.
Ok i read that now.

Fair Price :) I will start saving Money allready: D When it comes? Spring 2022? We know more allready? Cant wait.

But will cc3 not work with IC8? Or do i have some disadvantage than?

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

3Aliens (12/6/2021)

But will cc3 not work with IC8? Or do i have some disadvantage than?

Apparently the character design has been further refined so you would have some advantages in that sense.

Also, some of the new iClone features may not work with the CC3 characters. However, for the most part you can still use CC3 characters and animate them.

The back and forth between iClone and CC may not work as smoothly, because IC8 expects CC4.

By jeffkirkland - 4 Years Ago

3Aliens (12/6/2021)

But will cc3 not work with IC8? Or do i have some disadvantage than?

I asked about this earlier in the thread and RL said I could still use CC3 with IC8 but I’d obviously not have access to any of of the new character features that CC4 would bring to the table - and of course, IC7 won’t be able to use anything built with IC8/CC4.

By michaelrbarton - 4 Years Ago

Can you convert CC3 characters to FBX and bring them into CC4 or IC8?
I think that both would accept FBX models.

By jeffkirkland - 4 Years Ago

michaelrbarton (12/6/2021)

Can you convert CC3 characters to FBX and bring them into CC4 or IC8?
I think that both would accept FBX models.

I guess you could but as far as I’m aware both CC4 and IC8 are backwards compatible with CC3 characters so there’s no need.

By General Picture Animation - 4 Years Ago

facr73 (11/22/2021)

One thing I would lie to see in IC8 is an auto breathing mode just like the blinking. And the possibility to animate it in the timeline meaning you could turn it off/on

There was good motion clip of that sort available in early versions of iClone, maybe 3 or 4...agreed: this ought to be available as an IDLE clip that comes with iC 8.

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

michaelrbarton (12/6/2021)

Can you convert CC3 characters to FBX and bring them into CC4 or IC8?
I think that both would accept FBX models.

Earlier generation characters can be used directly in later versions of the software, but later generations will of course not work in earlier software versions.

I believe it was mentioned that CC4 will have a conversion option to convert earlier generation CC characters to CC4.

By 3Aliens - 4 Years Ago

Ok sounds good. With CC4 it only costs 100 Dollar more! Thats a good Deal. One more Question i got, is the Performance, anyone know if its somehow better?
for example can you this time use 20-30 Characters in a detailed Location better?

By 3Aliens - 4 Years Ago

noone? :D

By General Picture Animation - 4 Years Ago

IMPORTANT QUESTION: the demo reel for CC4 shows ZBrush being used to create a morph so the wolf can puff cheeks.
I'm more interested in learning 3D Coat.
Will that be supported for this function, or should I invest in ZBrush??

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

General Picture Animation (12/23/2021)

It would be great if a pipeline to 3D Coat was introduced, the more so, as ZBrush has just been acquired by Maxon, a company that LOVES the subscription model.

You can still get perpetual licenses for Z-brush, but is unclear if future updates will be available, which have been free until now from what I understand.

It is a similar situation as when Substance was acquired by Adobe. I have an perpetual Indie license for which new updates are no longer available, even paid.

All I can say is, beware!

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

I asked the same question before in another thread. However, I did not receive a response. We can do manual export for 3DCoat, but it would be really nice if they could make it easier for us. Being limited to ZBursh can be a bit annoying.

I even made a simple video about it.

By General Picture Animation - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (12/24/2021)

Hey Yepkoo,
I haven't studied morph creation before; glad to see it's that easy!
What can you say about ZBrush/3Dcoat respecting the fixed polygon count of iClone... what to watch out for?
Thanks for the video!

PS: I've been studying 3D Coat on Udemy, pre-purchase. Man oh man, how powerful it is.
The teacher is adept with ZBrush and says 3DCoat has some important fundamental advantages!

By 3Aliens - 4 Years Ago

So why People ignore me now? Good Service for a 700 Dollar Product.:cool:

By MilesV - 4 Years Ago

3Aliens (12/28/2021)

So why People ignore me now? Good Service for a 700 Dollar Product.:cool:

The forum isn't really the place to get responsive customer service. I don't think people are ignoring you as much as none of us know. RL is giving us another sneak peak in the upcoming weeks that may provide some information. But I doubt we'll get much, if any, performance information until closer to launch.

By 3Aliens - 4 Years Ago

Ok so there i should write to support? Any Questions had been answered here, but for the Question about Performance i should write to Customer Service?

By jeffkirkland - 4 Years Ago

3Aliens (12/29/2021)

Ok so there i should write to support? Any Questions had been answered here, but for the Question about Performance i should write to Customer Service?

Probably even then, nobody can answer the question with any certainty.. I’ve been involved in a lot of beta testing for other apps and performance is always being tweaked and improved right up until the day it’s released. In my experience it’s pretty rare to be able to judge the final product’s performance from the pre-release beta.

By 3Aliens - 4 Years Ago

At Least this was an Answer- Thank you Sir.

By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago

3Aliens (12/9/2021)

Performance in iClone 8 and CC4 is, as it has always been, primarily down to your computer and in particular your graphics card. If you have an older computer with a weak graphic card then iClone 8 and CC4 are not suddenly going to make it like you have an Nvidia RTX 3090 installed.

But I think it is fair to say that if you have a powerful system and graphic card with plenty of video ram then you should notice a performance gain. However, this doesn't mean being able to animate 20 - 30 high resolution characters at once. For using larger numbers of characters you should look at using the lower resolution ActorCore characters.

By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago

3Aliens (12/28/2021)

So why People ignore me now? Good Service for a 700 Dollar Product.:cool:

It is a common misconception that the forum is the place for Technical and Customer Support. This isn't the case.

The forum is primarily intended for user to user discussion but is moderated by myself and I will try to answer some questions when I can.

So for one to one Customer and Technical Support you should use the form below. Support will endeavour to answer your questions, but please be aware that information about iClone 8 and CC4 is being announced in stages leading up to the release. For this reason you may need to wait for our next feature announcement videos coming hopefully later this month to find out more.

https://www.reallusion.com/CustomerSupport/UserEx/QForm.html

By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (1/4/2022)

you may need to wait for our next feature announcement videos coming hopefully later this month to find out more.

Hi Peter, Happy New Year!
It is 20th January still on the table?

By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago

No answer on this? Beginning of March then? :D

By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago

ampertox (1/4/2022)

Peter (RL) (1/4/2022)

you may need to wait for our next feature announcement videos coming hopefully later this month to find out more.

Hi Peter, Happy New Year!
It is 20th January still on the table?

Unfortunately the date hasn't been finalised yet as there is still some work to do. We will try to get them to you as soon as we can. :)

By richard666 - 3 Years Ago

i am feeling exactly the same as you. Ive been with Reallusion since 2014 and im getting near the end.
If they dont offer members a good and cheap deal on IC8 and CC4 im out also.

By 3DPiXL - 3 Years Ago

Hello can anyone tell me if we can import our own quadruped models from Maya and add bones/rig in CC4.
I have a few dragon models I have created I'd like to import for some animation once the new version are released. I've only seen biped in the demo rigged.

By Fionn (RL) - 3 Years Ago

Hi 3DPixl,

I'm Fionn, the Product Marketing Manager from Reallusion :)

After confirming with our technical team, Character Creator 4 mainly supports creating biped creatures, instead of multiped animals, unfortunately.

However, this is indeed a high demand we've been requested from many artists/contest winners. It's much appreciated if you could post this 'dream feature' to the Feedback Tracker (or refer to Peter's post here), which would be automatically collected by our development team. Thank you very much for helping us craft our tools!

Best,
Fionn

By Fionn (RL) - 3 Years Ago

(2022.Jan.30 updated) ♫

Dear Reallusioners,

For iClone users, the following functions are featured in the Work-in-Progress video of Part Two :

▪ Rotoscope

▪ Pose Mixer

▪ Expandable Character-centric Timeline

▪ Curve Editor

For more details, please refer to the discussion thread at iClone section.

For Character Creator users, the following functions are featured in the Work-in-Progress video of Part Two :

▪ Scalable Expression Editing - Standard (60) | Extended (140)

▪ Smart Skin Shader

▪ Bake shader color to texture - for Live Link or Export

For more details, please refer to the discussion thread at Character Creator section.

Wish you good luck in the year of the Tiger.

Reallusion Team / 2022 January

By rosuckmedia - 3 Years Ago

Hi Fionn,

Thanks for the information👍
Greetings rosuckmedia

By Ascensi - 3 Years Ago

All the upgrades, look awesome! great job Reallusion! but.. Character's still looks too flat.. SkinGen needs a fix to support displacement especially for older people and creature creation. I've heard from tech that it would cause Characters to break/create seams.. yes, you can't just throw displacement textures on something that is not prepared for. I'm used to creating with Displacement, I know what's required and I know you have the tech built in to make it work -it's very possible and I could help you if you need it.

I also recently found a way for CC3/iClone to be lighter/have more performance, and will allow more layers that can handle the creation of displacement. I've reported it already but everyone should know that all Reallusion's non color textures, conversion and generation are using RGB color format and should be using Greyscale instead!

-why is this so important? -
Currently all the textures are taking up 2x the Vram/maybe performance and hard drive space than needed.. For example 1 simple prop are typically using THREE non color images but might use more! Each texture when converted to greyscale becomes half the size (AO, Metal & Roughness, Bump and Displacement) CHARACTER's are mostly using 3 non color for EACH material! Substance Painter also has acknowledged this issue when exporting textures although Substance Designer works correctly. 3DCoat also has this problem.
After all these years (for me since iClone 5) these textures have been bloating projects, slowing down all your Rendering and real time performance. I hope Reallusion will offer a reward for this and all the other research/suggestions I have spent my time at personal cost discovering.

I've also discovered a way how everyone can export Iray projects for rendering or render Iray direct faster (best choice rather than exporting a project if you use existing computer), bake physics faster by completely closing the viewport to get 3x more speed. (might have to additionally set iClone Resolution to 48x48.

I'm also the guy that came up with the method to disable/lower iClone's shader quality and increase virtual memory to 32 GB or more to increase stability, disable smooth mesh by subdivision (reenable in standalone) and allow large projects to be exported from Indigo which it seems was then also adopted to Iray. Indigo is great, new version supports RTX acceleration and with the full Renderer you could have your own render farm and it also smooth mesh by subdivision can be reenabled in the standalone, Iray can not and isn't compatible -it would take days to export. Indigo should never had been dropped. yes, I'm a bit off topic now but I'm just demonstrating that I know my stuff. Anyway, mistakes are created and forgiven, but it costs everyone (including Reallusion) time and money. I hope you reward those that take the time to improve the lives of others and Reallusion.

By General Picture Animation - 3 Years Ago

Ascensi (1/30/2022)

SkinGen needs a fix to support displacement especially for older people and creature creation. I've heard from tech that it would cause Characters to break/create seams.. yes, you can't just throw displacement textures on something that is not prepared for. I'm used to creating with Displacement, I know what's required and I know you have the tech built in to make it work -it's very possible and I could help you if you need it.

I'm not disputing that you might have found a way around it, but I recently tried displacement on a character and yes, it did pull apart at the seams.

By swondimu - 3 Years Ago

Hello,
I have awarded free iClone 8 and CC4 upgrade and acquired the product number. The problem that I have is updating from iClone 7 to iClone 8; and CC3 to CC4. I checked the Reallusion hub for updates and there are no updates.

How do you upgrade to iClone 8 and CC4 from iClone 7 and CC3 respectively?
Appreciate your help!

By animagic - 3 Years Ago

swondimu (2/3/2022)

iClone 8 and CC4 have not been released yet. Release is expected sometime in the Spring.

By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago

swondimu (2/3/2022)

Hi...

iClone 8 and Character Creator 4 will not be released until Spring 2022. When they are released they will show up in the Reallusion Hub as separate installs. You can then install them onto the same computer alongside iClone 7 and CC3 or you can uninstall the older versions and just install the new versions.

By swondimu - 3 Years Ago

make sense, thank you, @animagic

By swondimu - 3 Years Ago

Thank you, @Peter (RL)

By Ascensi - 3 Years Ago

@Distiguished Member
Yeah, you can't just throw heighmaps on a character and except them to work. There are two methods that can work 1. is take the normal maps from each material, mirror it in photoshop because the normals are not correct/erratic and add it to the displacement channel for each material, set the smoothness to 1 in the adjust color panel.
And this is what can be done:

There is a problem with how skingen blends normals from layers, you can't simply layer normals, it needs mathematical pixel offsets and I've explained this in the feedback tracker/provided the research.

Any cracks between materials require displacement adjustments, 3DCoat for example, will export what each material's displacement map multiplier value needs to be set at but in my example above you'd just set the head to the ideal displacement multiplier yourself, then adjust the torso's multiplier next, then arms and legs so that there is a smooth crack free transition. You can open any texture in photoshop and darken the rim areas of the eyes on the head texture and nails on the arm texture and blur it to blend.

2. The other method I'm talking about is how models are prepped for displacement painting like my character here (custom meshes weight painted) CC3 already has all the tech to make it happen for this method. They also have to stop the generators making non color images RGB instead of grayscale, or else all those textures become 2x the size, take up 2x vram and hard drive space.
This parasite CC3 Character is using is using my own sculpted mesh as cloth but on top of that is also using displacement.

My Troll character using a CC3 + Character topology

Plus I applied soft body physics to make skin areas jiggle, something I proved works and could be made available to users if they reenabled physics for character they removed in early iClone 7.
I'm not gonna spell it out for them how to do it, I've provided a lot over the years and they pay other people to figure it out, so they can pay someone else or offer to work with/or reward, but they currently offer no reward for your time, yet have no problem dropping a lot of money for big contests, it just seems like your doing it for nothing especially if they use a few of your ideas in the next release but you can't afford to get it. I'm not mad at Reallusion at all, it's just their current model and likely haven't thought about incentivizing in this way.

The only incentive for people contributing on the feedback tracker is if you are someone with a lot of money to drop all the time and need bug fixes, companies are likely cannot spare time to give them ideas. I've dropped money since iClone 5.. For years they promoted to certified developers that they could get access to betas, I've asked but it never happened, there was no portal for this and then last year I noticed they removed that incentive.

By Fionn (RL) - 3 Years Ago

Hi Ascensi,

Many thanks for your feedback and demo clips.
Please check your inbox for further discussions.

Best regards,
Fionn

By ryobg - 3 Years Ago

I looked around, but what I have read got me even more confused.

Can someone explain me, if I already own CC3, IClone7 + bunch of other stuff.

* Do I have to buy a new CC4 and IC8?
* Is there discount for upgrade and how much?

If I understand correctly, I have to buy with 10%(?) discount new bundle of all the CC3/IC7/plugins so I can have the new CC4/IC8/plugins?

By jeffkirkland - 3 Years Ago

ryobg (4/8/2022)

My understanding is that yes, unless you buy into one of the content offers that goves you a free upgrade, you will have to buy CC4/IC8 upgrades at the price listed on the web site. IC8 = $499, CC4=$249, and both together = $599. There have been a couple of very small hints that existing users might get a better deal when the products launch but nothing firm so I’d suggest budgeting to pay the listed prices. As far as the plugins go, at least at the time of launch, you should get whatever you currently own and are still supported updated to IC8/CC4 versions for free.

By doubledutch - 3 Years Ago

Is CC4 all-in-one or do you need to buy a pipeline add-on for extra`s?

By jeffkirkland - 3 Years Ago

doubledutch (4/9/2022)

Is CC4 all-in-one or do you need to buy a pipeline add-on for extra`s?

As far as I’m aware there will only be one verssion of both IC8 and CC4 which will be the equivalent of the current pipeline versions - with some additional things like 3DXchange and Motion Live rolled in.

By ujoodha - 3 Years Ago

I'm still awaiting Character4 to be released. Wasn't it supposed to be released by March 2022?

By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago

ujoodha (4/10/2022)

I'm still awaiting Character4 to be released. Wasn't it supposed to be released by March 2022?

No it was never stated it would release by March 2022. The timeframe for release has always been Spring 2022 which runs from late March to Late June.

By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago

UPDATE:

Just to give a further update on the release date, the scheduled timeframe for the release of iClone 8 and CC4 is now May.

By jeffkirkland - 3 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (4/13/2022)

UPDATE:

Just to give a further update on the release date, the scheduled timeframe for the release of iClone 8 and CC4 is now May.

Thanks Peter, that’s exciting news - even if it now means every second post will be people asking if that’s the first week in May or the last 😀.

By DeepcutAdventure - 3 Years Ago

I'm looking forward to trying out all the new stuff iclone and character creator have going on, so many little ideas of things I can do with these new features. Even just having volumetric lighting changes a lot, and i hope the engine really can handle larger scenes. It's insane to me that I can run unreal engine 5 with ease, but iclone itself is slower with such smaller file sizes for sets and stuff.

Do we have any knowledge on if the sky system is getting updated?

By Fionn (RL) - 3 Years Ago

richardjohnhodges (4/14/2022)

Hi richardjohnhodges,

Unfortunately, the skysystem won't be upgraded in iClone 8 this time. You’re more than welcome to submit this 'dream feature' to the Feedback Tracker (or refer to Peter's post here), which would be automatically collected by our development team. Regarding the issues you mentioned for larger scenes, actually it's exactly what iClone 8 comes to offer - the greatly enhanced Performance and Productivity. You can watch our WIP2 video here to learn more about this feature. Hope it helps :)

By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago

Hi Fionn, Miranda
How much IC7 backward-compatible IC8 will be? What I mean:
One of the first things we'll all do once we'll install IC8 will be to load an existing IC7 project:
- Which default characters will be removed?
- Which plugins, scripts, physics, characters, morphs, shaders won't work?
- Which shaders/lights/shadows/filters will be affected?
Thanks!

By kmitchell.12catblackstudios - 3 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (4/13/2022)

UPDATE:

Just to give a further update on the release date, the scheduled timeframe for the release of iClone 8 and CC4 is now May.

My birthday month? Hurray! Also I thought it would be at the front of summer session.

By davood.kharmanzar - 3 Years Ago

hi ...
does iClone 8 includes MotionLive with all of profiles?

By Fionn (RL) - 3 Years Ago

Hi davood.kharmanzar,

The MotionLIVE plugin is embedded in iClone 8 without any extra cost. However, the profiles won't included in iClone 8 but still be available in our store.
You can refer to the FAQ of our WIP page for more information. https://www.reallusion.com/3d-creation/
Hope it helps:)

Thanks,
Fionn

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/c55858bc-c376-4b96-8568-f66d.jpg

By Fionn (RL) - 3 Years Ago

ampertox (4/17/2022)

Hi ampertox,

Basically, all your iClone 7 project will work in iClone 8, but we can not guarantee that everything will be the same, something might have changed.
For example, your animation key frame will bake to clip to prevent some unexpected results. And if we use the python script to enhance the workflow, you might need upgrade the code.
Hope it helps.

Many thanks,
Fionn

By section_33 - 3 Years Ago

1 question I have that may have been addressed or not. I know there are a lot more expressions coming in ic8. With regard to Acculips, is there any potential that that might use more ARkit, typical animation keyframes, jumping within various programs my results seem to shift or vary and being able to perhaps refine certain animations in Blender etc it would be helpful if those were in the more universal file hierarchy? So I guess my question is... any updates to Acculips :) ?

By LarryPlane - 3 Years Ago

Good question.

With the folding of pipeline into the mainstream, and export content now becoming the minimum price point, the landscape of iClone is changing.

Be good to know if things like this are still there, i.proved on, or one of the old horses that's being let out the back door to go live in a farm 'upstate'.

By LarryPlane - 3 Years Ago

Fionn (RL) (4/25/2022)

It's good to see that Motion Live will finally be part of IClone and not an optional add-on, but can you explain why the Webcam version of face tracking software is so much more expensive than the iPhone version? I mean, if I bought an iPhone X then I guess the cost would be about the same. But nearly a thousand dollars for a face tracking plugin seems (still to me) extortionate.

By General Picture Animation - 3 Years Ago

LarryPlane (4/27/2022)

[quote]Fionn (RL) (4/25/2022)

Wild guess from an Android user is that iPhone might have some sophisticated face-recognition infrastructure not available in a a webcam. Have you tried the webcam trial? When I tried it, the face of my character more or less exploded.

By R Ham - 3 Years Ago

Right now, the iPhone is all the rage because of its IR camera. Personally though, I've had some bad experiences with Apple products, notably their policies regarding login credentials. I've spent the past week researching non-rentware webcam mocap software, while evaluating Faceware at the same time.

Lots of webcam mocap products are in dev all around the world right now. Some have great promise, others look shaky. The best of them are a year or more away. Much as it would gall me to pay that inflated price for Faceware, the alternatives are slim to none at this time, and life is fleeting.

Visible light cameras, like webcams, like light, so be ready to provide light. Faceware needs its config noodled plenty at the start, too. All these things said, I may go with Faceware, myself. It will get us through until mocap becomes more ordinary.

By R Ham - 3 Years Ago

When the face-following Logitech webcams were new, a dozen years ago, they would not track dark-skinned individuals because their skin did not reflect sufficient light. Later, when Apple decided to embrace face ID, they added IR for reliability. IR reflects everything even when visible light is dim. When using a webcam, it helps to light up your subject like a photo studio. I use Neewer lights on the left and right, and I plan to add a center light.

By LarryPlane - 3 Years Ago

yeah. so it's 500 for an iphone plus 200 for the profile - 700
or 200 for a logitech webcam and 900 for the profile - 1,100
which makes the apple version 400 cheaper, buttttttttt still... 700 bucks to get some software to work.
Gotta be a way to get that price down!

By R Ham - 3 Years Ago

LarryPlane (4/27/2022)

The only real alternative is Blender. It's not as "Turn the key and drive away" as I would like, but it does allow some affordable mocap options.

By LarryPlane - 3 Years Ago

sounds interesting. I will take a look.

By zimtower009 - 3 Years Ago

If I bought MotionLIVE profiles for Perception Neuron and LIVE FACE early last year, will those profiles still work in IC8 without buying it again? This is very important to me, because it was a huge investment to buy them.

Fionn (RL) (4/25/2022)

By Fionn (RL) - 3 Years Ago

section_33 (4/25/2022)

Hi section_33,
Thanks for the question. In iClone8, the Non-Standard Character (Humanoid) is also supported in Acculips.
Fionn

By Fionn (RL) - 3 Years Ago

zimtower009 (4/27/2022)

Hi zimtower009,

Thanks for the question. If you have the iClone 8 software, all the plugins and profiles which were purchased for iClone 7, will have free upgrade to be compatible to iClone 8.
You don't need to purchase the same things twice, even you bought them in early 2021. We'll inform all the iClone users of this upgrade news through member email once it's officially launched.

Best,
Fionn

By R Ham - 3 Years Ago

Fionn (RL) (4/28/2022)

zimtower009 (4/27/2022)

We all hope so.

By zimtower009 - 3 Years Ago

Fionn (RL) (4/28/2022)

zimtower009 (4/27/2022)

Awesome, I look forward to IC8.

By ahingel - 3 Years Ago

any news when iclone 8 and cc4 will released?
is it gonna be before june for sure?

By sungod - 3 Years Ago

ahingel (4/29/2022)

any news when iclone 8 and cc4 will released?
is it gonna be before june for sure?

It's in May now 🤓

By R Ham - 3 Years Ago

sungod (4/29/2022)

ahingel (4/29/2022)

any news when iclone 8 and cc4 will released?
is it gonna be before june for sure?

It's in May now 🤓

My fingers are crossed for UI readability.

By helielfilmz - 3 Years Ago

It's May today, and is looking forward to a video or something from Reallusion saying the release date

By 3Aliens - 3 Years Ago

OKKKKKKKK LETS GOOOOO

By DeepcutAdventure - 3 Years Ago

I really doubt we'll be getting any real news today, perhaps not even this month with how often the releases get pushed back, but I still feel pretty hype. really excited to play with updated software.

By joel.lovell - 3 Years Ago

Looking forward to not having to export or live-link to unreal or omniverse to get some great rendering.

By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago

richardjohnhodges (5/1/2022)

The release is still scheduled for May. If there were to be any delays we will certainly let you all know as soon as possible.

By wires - 3 Years Ago

helielfilmz (5/1/2022)

It's May today, and is looking forward to a video or something from Reallusion saying the release date

Just a reminder, May has 31 days. :Whistling:

By ahingel - 3 Years Ago

ah great
thank you for the information
we all waiting for this so much that we cant wait any longer!!!
the anticipation is on!!! haha 😁😁

By helielfilmz - 3 Years Ago

Dude i know that. My birthday, my moms and sister birthday is in the month of May. Duh! 😑

By ahingel - 3 Years Ago

will there also be any other new features that you havent show us yet on the WPs?

By bastion_100711 - 3 Years Ago

So the release date is now May. Is this for both products, or will they be released on different days?

By animagic - 3 Years Ago

bastion_100711 (5/6/2022)

So the release date is now May. Is this for both products, or will they be released on different days?

It would make sense to do it simultaneously. I think that was the case in past as well but that is several years ago.

By bastion_100711 - 3 Years Ago

Thanks

By animasyoncugu - 3 Years Ago

Peter, cc4 and iclon 8, what week will be announced, at least tell me this please, last week I can avoid looking here every day, I'm tired of waiting

By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago

animasyoncugu (5/9/2022)[hrI can avoid looking here every day, I'm tired of waiting

You don't have to check here, for sure you'll get an eMail from RL announcing the release.

By animagic - 3 Years Ago

ampertox (5/9/2022)

animasyoncugu (5/9/2022)[hrI can avoid looking here every day, I'm tired of waiting

You don't have to check here, for sure you'll get an eMail from RL announcing the release.

Indeed, it will be announced when it's ready...:P

By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago

ahingel (5/2/2022)

will there also be any other new features that you havent show us yet on the WPs?

For sure there will be a few surprises not shown in the videos. Plus we have our two new CC4 characters who I personally think look amazing. ;)

By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago

animasyoncugu (5/9/2022)

Peter, cc4 and iclon 8, what week will be announced, at least tell me this please, last week I can avoid looking here every day, I'm tired of waiting

I can't reveal specific dates but I can say the release is very close now. You won't need to be patient much longer.

By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (5/9/2022)

ahingel (5/2/2022)

will there also be any other new features that you havent show us yet on the WPs?

For sure there will be a few surprises not shown in the videos. Plus we have our two new CC4 characters who I personally think look amazing. ;)

I was about to lose my excitement completely, but this news made me wonder :)

By ahingel - 3 Years Ago

oh yessss finally :D

By Sunglass - 3 Years Ago

considering they didn't launch on saturdays or sundays, we have about 15 days of waiting or less :crazy:

By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago

I think Peter could have pointed this out if new versions were to be released in 1-2 days. My guess is there are at least 7-10 more days :)

By BloodPawWerewolf - 3 Years Ago

Maybe sooner. I noticed that the Reallusion Hub just got an update. Don’t know when it was originally pushed (I haven’t been using CC3/iclone 7 since CC4/iclone 8 was announced so i have only been checking for anything very intermittently), but i did notice it this morning. I definitely think it’s a few days away. Like this week.

By jeff.scott - 3 Years Ago

New characters. Does that mean new base meshes?

By Andrés Moya - 3 Years Ago

Alright!!!

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/c187b780-6515-423d-9668-464d.jpg

By AniMajik - 3 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (5/9/2022)

animasyoncugu (5/9/2022)

Peter, cc4 and iclon 8, what week will be announced, at least tell me this please, last week I can avoid looking here every day, I'm tired of waiting

I can't reveal specific dates but I can say the release is very close now. You won't need to be patient much longer.

That makes my day, Peter! Thanks

By SyrDoN - 3 Years Ago

Go check manual downloads. Have your SN's ready :)

By 3dSphinx - 3 Years Ago

OMG!! It's finally here! What a way to start the morning!

By AniMajik - 3 Years Ago

SugarMoxie (5/12/2022)

OMG!! It's finally here! What a way to start the morning!

Certainly made my morning! I just purchased the upgrade (for CC4 and IC8) literally minutes ago. (and yes, the Prime Coupon works as well!)
Since I'm in the middle of a project now, I'll wait a few weeks before I actually install it.

-AniMajik

By Marty3DGuru - 3 Years Ago

Nevermind me. :D

By bastion_100711 - 3 Years Ago

Just installed. Is anyone else missing a lot of animations in CC4. They appear to be in iC8. Also, I thought lens flare was part of the upgrade. Are these new content packs really needed or are they just there for previous versions?

By ahingel - 3 Years Ago

wow its already looking amazing with a lot of features
thank you guys 😁😁❤❤
the only one more thing i would want its an update on the toon shader or better a shader material that we can apply it to any material we want. and to have the option to non apply outlines to all materials

By DeepcutAdventure - 3 Years Ago

looking forward to spending all day playing with this after my doctors appointment. So far I like that the smary gallery and content manager are merged. I had such a hard time explaining why they were separate things, and though one was for online and the other for offline, it was still confusing.

By LarryPlane - 3 Years Ago

Marty3DGuru (5/12/2022)

Brand new customer $699 for IC8 & CC4
Upgrade cost $599 from IC7 & CC3

A saving of $100 for previous owners compared to new?

I'm off this crazy train. Ridiculous price for upgrade, $100 discount and that is it?

I'll wait till you send some begging email with a black friday price I think, and I know you will. Seriously think upgrade cost should have been around $299.

Honestly CC4 hasn't changed hardly from CC3. IC8 looks like a lot of changes inside, but now basic run cycles and walks are going to cost you $200 extra just so you can use a gamepad?

Jeez.

I agree. I was expecting, or perhaps hoping that a price of around 399 dollars would be top for an upgrade, instead it's nearly twice that. It's a shame.

By bastion_100711 - 3 Years Ago

Sorry. I see you have to check show subfolders to see the poses and animations.

By DeepcutAdventure - 3 Years Ago

IDK, I'm kind of loving it? It seems like there are going to be some bumps in the road, but it feels like things I didn't even bother submitting as an issue have been fixed through this and all the recent content upgrades. It's like i wrote down a list of everything I need to produce an entire multiverse of tv series and reallusion was like 'easy bro, won't even break a grand'.

By ingmarbuchner - 3 Years Ago

I absolutely agree. I want to be excited about this release, but the upgrade pricing is effectively a sham and not appealing at all... I'll have to wait for a more reasonable deal.