Why not have a regular version of IC8 with parts not activated, just like the free version of CC3. When I click on skin weights to use in free CC3, it says I have to upgrade to Pipeline version.
You can price IC8 for $299 and CC4 for $149 without the upgrades. And for longtime users, you can knock $50 off each. That sounds more reasonable. There are some things in IC8 I probably would not use,
like the curve editor. I don't have enough knowledge in using some of the plug ins. And my PC specs are not up to speed. A lot of people will not buy IC8 because of the price. I would rather spend the $$ on getting
a better PC than to buy IC8 and CC4 at that price. You are pricing yourself out of the market.

1. Will CC4 allow the modifying of bones without deforming the skin? (reskinning) Some models need modification like twisting limbs so when mocap is used the parts can work backwards etc  but simply twisting the bones now deforms the mesh part.

2. Will CC4 have Body parts that can be snapped onto a character, like tentacles, 3 heads etc? A user should have the ability to retarget/assign the parts they want to use mocap with. I shared this on the feedback tracker years ago, and explained in detail how it could be achieved. Even now specific numbered vertex points on body parts with a single bone or complete limb could have a snap-to other matching vertex points with welding. 

3. Are all features already decided? I'm wondering if soft body character physics is being developed or performance enhancements are coming like assign culling, automatic  Texture LOD (Hi res textures are swapped/streamed with lower ones in the distance. Mip Map is ok but hasn't evolved and textures should be streamed (reallocated for set distances) to reduce ram usage rather than be resident in memory. This is one of the great limitations of large scenes -not having enough memory.. iClone has a max texture setting option and I think this should be done per asset. Iray is partially smart this way allowing us to set the resolution for each material but this too should be dynamic based on distance! (drop a sphere, load 8k textures on it, start zoom out, you'll not see any reduction from texture memory usage with current Mipmaps. In my opinion it should be reducing the amount of memory loaded in ram real time as you zoom out.
I've also shared my method of increasing speed by more than 3x for all CPU processing - Iray exports,  fast processing of Physics baking by shrinking or completely removing the viewport, and another option that I haven't shared yet provides an additional 3x,  what's that worth to other companies and Reallusion? Also i.mergeproj -the ability to merge/couple & detach scenes to make larger or lessor ones, right now we can't do either and are often forced to rebuild from scratch.

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I am curious as to when the CC4 WIP video will be available?

I am slowly adding to my cart to meet the $799+ amount (for both CC4 and iClone8), but since I already have so much content, I am finding it harder and harder to find content that I will actually use :)

I also have a question about the update/upgrade pricing:
I understand that going the $799+ content to get both CC4 and IC8 also includes free updates to my current plug-inns, but if I were to just buy an upgrade/update price of $600 for both, (when available) do I also get a free update/upgrade to all my plug-ins as well?  Please set me straight on that.

I'll get the new apps in any case, but if I can do it without buying a lot of stuff I will really not use, I'll go that route.

Looking forward to seeing the CC4 demo video.

-AniMajik
FatCatAlley.net

Can you add softbody physics to models, a better hair and cloth physics. Could you implement the ability for characters to keep their blendshape morphs when importing from Blender would really like to keep my morphs intact on my character. 

What you know today will be obsolete tomorrow

Yes, at least that's what FAQ #6 (Point 2) says on the current promo website

https://www.reallusion.com/event/21-promotion/

Thanks, @oonabe.  I missed that!

-AniMajik

Although I admire updates and upgrades, I do fall into the group that is very put off about just purchasing so much software and the plugins (Thousands of dollars) only to find out a short while later that you have to spend another 800$ est just to get the upgrades that are coming in a few months. I "JUST" got the new hair and beard stuff and suddenly this... 

Now... I know in a perfect world, the end would justify the means, but I don't see this going any other way save for the "You know that new beard and hair plugin set that cost several hundred USD that was extremely limited, but touted as if it wasn't to garner sales? Here is an addon to finally get a lot more use out of it... that is only available in CC4... that you have to now purchase to be able to use it." 

I sure hope I am wrong and that the deal of "Give us more money so you can give us more money" thing is done. 

That's too bad, in particular not being able to buy ActorCore and have it apply. I already bought a pile of stuff to get the Elite2021 deal, and have hardly used it as there isn't anything left I want to buy.

Yes, whichever method you use to get iClone 8 and CC4, all your existing plug-ins will be upgraded to the new versions for free. You won't have to purchase again or pay to upgrade them.


                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com

This is true. I bought a lot of things and i know i will spend money in the next time but not under pressure because to be honest: at now there is not enough content available. i own the assets already.

so da-points should be a good compromise…