Thanks for posting the screenshots. :)

The issue isn't a distorted chest issue per se but is simply a positioning problem with the shoulders and arms due to the changes between different generations of characters. This kind of issue shouldn't affect all G5 motions but can occur sometimes.

You should be able to fix this quite easily by using "Edit Motion Layer". Making just small changes to the shoulders position and rotation will eliminate most of the problems. For issues where the arms penetrate the body, just move the timeline to the appropriate frame in the animation, and again adjust the positioning of the arms to correct the problem. With practise this should only take a few minutes. You can then save the corrected motion for later use with other CC characters.


                                                                

Peter
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You got it the other way around. The issue affects almost all G5 motions and only rarely look somewhat okay. Also, if it's a "simple problem" then it should be addressed by Reallusion and not by the users. If Reallusion never had the intention to fix the issue, then there should have been a disclaimer informing the buyers that the older motion files wouldn't optimally work with G6 characters. Had I known this major issue with the motion files, then I would have never upgraded from iClone 5, would have never purchased CC, Realistic Face 100 pack, Garry Pye's Comic Faces, G6 Empowerment and any other iClone 6 related add-ons. Instead, I would have invested the money on G5 characters and other iClone 5 assets.

Peter (RL) (6/21/2016)

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You should be able to fix this quite easily by using "Edit Motion Layer". Making just small changes to the shoulders position and rotation will eliminate most of the problems. For issues where the arms penetrate the body, just move the timeline to the appropriate frame in the animation, and again adjust the positioning of the arms to correct the problem. With practise this should only take a few minutes. You can then save the corrected motion for later use with other CC characters.

I already said that I use "Edit Motion Layer" to correct the problem, so I don't know why you bring it up again. One of the key marketing pitch of iClone is the ease of use and motion files are one of the features that make it so much easier to work with and also helps you work faster. Why do you expect the users to tweak hundreds of motion files? It is Reallusion's job to make their program and all accopanying add-on packs to work properly, that responsibility doesn't fall on the consumers. I shouldn't have to "practice" fixing a problem that should have been addressed by Reallusion. I say it again, there should have been a disclaimer about this issue. It's a huge issue for those of us who've purchased a large collection of motion files and have made additional purchase to move up to iClone 6, fully expecting a properly working software. I seriously thought that if I waited long enough Reallusion would address this issue, but it's clear to me now that you expect us to just deal with it. So that's your final say right? You're saying that it's not a big problem from your perspective and you do not intend to address the issue. Did I understand you correctly?

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this. Based on your feedback I loaded about 50 random G5 and earlier motions onto a G6/CC character and I would estimate a good 80% - 90% worked fine without requiring any tweaking. Sure some do have minor issues but it certainly isn't almost all G5 motions as you state.



The only complete solution would be to rebuild every G5 and earlier motion pack and this simply isn't feasible, especially when the issue doesn't affect all motions.



This is a fair point. I will discuss with our content  team if we should give a disclaimer that SOME older motions may not optimally work with G6/CC characters.



Because you indicated that it wasn't really possible to correct the problem using "Edit Motion Layer" which was incorrect.



Actually I don't think it is as huge an issue as you think. I base this on the fact that we haven't received many other complaints about older motion clips. However this may be that most users understand that editing motion clips is required sometimes. This even applies to motions directly made for G6/CC characters. Depending on the size of the avatar or the clothing they are wearing you do sometimes have to tweak some motions to get best results. Of course ideally we would all like a system where motion clips automatically adjust to the individual avatar but that sadly isn't available (yet).

Thank you for taking the time to share your feedback. We do appreciate it. :)


                                                                

Peter
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The shape of the character is a factor too. A fat person cannot do some motions that a regular person can do. That's just physique and will require adjustments in any program.

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We don't have to agree to disagree because over the weekend I'll make you a video compilation of G6 motions with older motion files to prove this point. You wanted screenshots and I gave you screenshots proving my point, but you're still telling me it's all fine. So a video it is then.

Peter (RL) (6/22/2016)

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The only complete solution would be to rebuild every G5 and earlier motion pack and this simply isn't feasible, especially when the issue doesn't affect all motions.

We'll come back to this after I make the video.

Peter (RL) (6/22/2016)

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This is a fair point. I will discuss with our content  team if we should give a disclaimer that SOME older motions may not optimally work with G6/CC characters.

Same here, after the video.

Peter (RL) (6/22/2016)

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Because you indicated that it wasn't really possible to correct the problem using "Edit Motion Layer" which was incorrect.

I said it was a very time consuming process and that it never looks as natural as they do on G5s, which is true.

Peter (RL) (6/22/2016)

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Actually I don't think it is as huge an issue as you think. I base this on the fact that we haven't received many other complaints about older motion clips. However this may be that most users understand that editing motion clips is required sometimes. This even applies to motions directly made for G6/CC characters. Depending on the size of the avatar or the clothing they are wearing you do sometimes have to tweak some motions to get best results. Of course ideally we would all like a system where motion clips automatically adjust to the individual avatar but that sadly isn't available (yet).

Thank you for taking the time to share your feedback. We do appreciate it. :)

It matters little how many had complaints about this issue, the important thing is that the problem exists. Based on the fact that you've marketed the G6 characters without any disclaimer on the issue, most users shouldn't have to understand that editing motion clips is required. I already said that I wasn't talking about characters that I had created using CC and I'm most certainly not talking about characters with much bigger body proportions. I showed you examples of the problem with the standard G6 characters, e.g. Mason so there's no need in overcomplicating this issue. I'll have the time needed to make the video compilation over the weekend, so I'll return to this thread when I'm finished with that.

Which is why I've mentioned specifically that I'm talking about standard G6 characters made by Reallusion and not the ones created in CC or characters with bigger body proportions.

The original non standard G6 characters (Heidi and Mason) were a temporary solution but have now been replaced by CC characters. With CC characters there is no standard size as they can be any size a user wants, hence why you may still need to tweak some motions. Natalie and Christian are CC characters, not G6 characters.


                                                                

Peter
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www.reallusion.com

Hi Sw00000p.. I'm referring to iClone. We are not talking about your favourite 3DS Max or other so called "Pro" tools. In iClone if you apply a standard motion clip to a large proportioned avatar, you will nearly always need to tweak the shoulders and arms using "Edit Motion Layer" to stop the arms protruding through body.


                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com