I've decided to upload a WIP render of an iClone project by 4u2ges, combined with the tutu he released a few days ago. The character animation is original, in the sense that it came with the project file. The iClone file needed some fairly comprehensive adaption and modification of materials for use in Cinema 4D. The hair and clothing simulation (top and tutu) were done in C4D. The city background is an actual 9 million poly 3D model and not a background plane. Unfortunately the render is low resolution (1920x822) and has rendering and noise issues. While the render is HDR (PQ 10 Bit), it may not show up as such on YouTube for a number of hours and obviously requires an HDR-capable viewing device.




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I'd have to agree, adding dampening would help a lot, otherwise it looks great.
Spring cannot be added to the cloth in iClone - only to props/accessories.
And tutu cannot be an accessory since it would not stay put on her waist.
The only way is to try the "magic" outside like Cinema 4D (I am sure Nirwana would come up with new versions).
I am quite busy lately, otherwise I'd try it in Blender or MD.

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Well, if springs/bones are the solution then I won't achieve that because (a) I don't want to do that and (b) I'm not sure it would work either.

Compared to other cloth simulations, there are several things going on with this tutu:
- it needs to react to the body of the character, also the arms and hands (I'm not sure that could be realized with springs/bones without keying); however, since I'm not a Blender user, I won't research what (for example) that add-on can or cannot do and I know of no way to realize that in C4D either

- the three layers of the tutu need to animate separately and collisions between the three layers need to be handled, so with springs/bones you would probably need three layers of joint structures

- the "wavy" shape of the tutu needs to be somewhat retained; if the "structure" of the tutu is too weak, the "cloth" will smooth out and if no distance is kept between the layers then the "fluffy" look disappears

- in order for the simulation not to explode, certain minimum substep and iteration settings will probably have to be maintained which, in turn, lead to a "stiffer" cloth as well as higher simulation times

Also, I want a simulation, not animating morphs or joints or something like that for several hundred frames.

Yes, perhaps increased dampening is part of the solution but it also causes problems, at least during my tests since posting the original video and reading AutoDidact's initial comment.

I am sure Nirwana would come up with new versions

Probably. Although any video of alternative simulation settings will only be a very basic viewport render. This is not UE and "beauty" renders of the full scene take between 1 and 6 minutes per frame on my fastest machine depending on resolution and render settings, so a "beauty" render would have to wait until the simulation is locked in (and I have no other use for the render machine for a few days).


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Render times?.. Yeah that is one of the reasons I always preferred to use Vray with C4D as It actually has tolerable render times on my PC.

While I have never used Vray (I've always considered that to be an "architectural" engine as far as C4D is concerned), I kind of doubt that it is considerably faster than Redshift.
BTW: The "beauty" version of the Natalie scene has a ton of things that drive up render times: multiple reflections (in the mirrors are reflections of the mirrors reflected in the windows), GI from several sources, etc. Also C4D hair takes up a lot of render time; Natalie's skin has SSS and to get the noise (also in the hair) low, the render samples can not be too low.
This is an example of a 5+ minute render (original resolution is 3840x1644, colors are somewhat muted/dull, because this was not rendered as sRGB but was quickly converted to 8-bit jpg without proper color management since my workflow is geared towards converting my ACEScg C4D renders to HDR video and not sRGB stills):

Edit: the forum software has apparently reduced the image I uploaded to 1/4 (i.e. 1920x822), even when clicking on it to enlarge it.



As far as backgrounds are concerned, for a variety of reasons, I only like HDRis (sky) for dome lights or IBL, not for depicting what would normally be actual mesh-based models. In other words, I'd rather accept longer render times than have an "image" as a visible background (with the exception of a sky and for lighting purposes).


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My latest Feature length film created with Iclone.

My Sci- Fi Graphic Novel on Amazon: https://a.co/d/9k3cwoY

My IMDB listing
Anabran Abdhul Quarnain - IMDb

I hear you. While all my PCs and notebooks are Windows machines, 3 PCs (with GPUs) are used for 3D, while the others are for office work, surfing the internet and, as you said, goofing off.

Anyway, back to the business at hand.

Here are the first two alternative versions (viewport renders as I said, that  is why the skin looks like shiny plastic) I have also integrated a frame counter, in case anyone wants to point out a specific thing by frame number:





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Ghost Origins

My latest Feature length film created with Iclone.

My Sci- Fi Graphic Novel on Amazon: https://a.co/d/9k3cwoY

My IMDB listing
Anabran Abdhul Quarnain - IMDb