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Would faster SSD's help prevent frame drop during live link animation to UE4? For example, when I try to record the incoming live link face capture stream I'm missing frames. How can I increase performance of the UE4 sequencer recording from the iClone Live Link animation stream?
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animagic (2/23/2017)
I went here: http://www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/ to check the needed power supply, and 275 Watt is recommended so you have plenty extra.

Also, everything looks fine under load, so your system doesn't seem to be the problem.


Thanks animagic for looking into this, it's good to know the system is as adequate as I thought it was when buying it, so at least that's one thing out of the way. 
Now on to see if the problem is software related, I've tried so many things now my mind is like rice pudding! :crazy:


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I went here: http://www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/ to check the needed power supply, and 275 Watt is recommended so you have plenty extra.

Also, everything looks fine under load, so your system doesn't seem to be the problem.


https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/436b0ffd-1242-44d6-a876-d631.jpg

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animagic (2/23/2017)
@Snarp Farkle: Make sure focus is on iClone when you monitor, because that is when the GPU starts working. Looking at the clock speed of your card it is in idle mode. it would also be good to check CPU temperatures.

Another thought: what is your power supply rating? Dell is probably OK, but I used to have an HP that had a low quality power supply that I had to replace.

EDIT: I just downloaded the tool and noticed that if you run iClone with a sizeable project and take the values in the Maximum column, you'll get a pretty good idea of the load and temperatures.


This is what I got while running the Abandoned House project in loop mode.



I looked on the Dell site and found that it has a 460W power supply.  PWA INTEGRATED, 460W, POWER FACTOR CORRECTION, whatever that means lol.



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@Snarp Farkle: Make sure focus is on iClone when you monitor, because that is when the GPU starts working. Looking at the clock speed of your card it is in idle mode. it would also be good to check CPU temperatures.

Another thought: what is your power supply rating? Dell is probably OK, but I used to have an HP that had a low quality power supply that I had to replace.

EDIT: I just downloaded the tool and noticed that if you run iClone with a sizeable project and take the values in the Maximum column, you'll get a pretty good idea of the load and temperatures.



https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/436b0ffd-1242-44d6-a876-d631.jpg

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rampa (2/23/2017)
I just thought of a potential bottleneck, as I brought up cooling in an earlier post.

There are two types of fan cooling for GPUs. The basic fan type, and the blower-fan type.

The basic fan type requires that your computer case have good fans and ventilation built into it, as the heat is dispersed into the computer case. The blower type is enclosed in a housing that has a fan at one end (odd-looking fan) that blows air through the enclosed housing and out the end of the card. That blows the hot air out behind your computer. Pretty much any pre-built computer you get will have the blower type. If you have a small or crowded case, you should also get the blower type.


I've been watching my GPU temps and they seem fine, I have iC6 and 3DX running now and this is the report from the "HWiNFO64 Program"
https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/1e2b0dad-f6fe-4d9d-b2b6-12e3.png



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I just thought of a potential bottleneck, as I brought up cooling in an earlier post.

There are two types of fan cooling for GPUs. The basic fan type, and the blower-fan type.

The basic fan type requires that your computer case have good fans and ventilation built into it, as the heat is dispersed into the computer case. The blower type is enclosed in a housing that has a fan at one end (odd-looking fan) that blows air through the enclosed housing and out the end of the card. That blows the hot air out behind your computer. Pretty much any pre-built computer you get will have the blower type. If you have a small or crowded case, you should also get the blower type.
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I've been having similar issues since the 6.53 update. 

For me iClone has only crashed about 5 times but continuously locks up whenever I double click on anything in my Custom Folders and sometimes when I try to save anything to them as well. 

Support has tried to help me figure out why but so far I still have the same issues except since I moved the Custom Folders to a USB drive I can save most things without a hangup but not always.  It's a crap shoot whenever I'm working on a project whether it'll hang or not and as long as I remember to drag and drop things into the scene they load ok.  I've had three crashes in the last couple of weeks so submitted another ticket.

My system should be able to run iClone fine and it did while using the 6.51 and 6.52 updates, that's what has me confused, as far as I can tell no one else has had the same issues with hangups as me since the 6.53 update.

I've made sure that all drivers, software etc. were up to date, uninstalled-reinstalled 4 or 5 times, took control of all Reallusion files for permissions and the only support advice I haven't tried is reinstalling to just the C drive, not so sure that's a step I want to try because it all worked fine before the last update.  I'm not blaming Reallusion for these issues, it's obviously something I'm not seeing going on with my machine. 

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated, as of now I don't want to buy iC7 if it can't even run iC6.


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Acer Aspire V Nitro Laptop,  2.5GHz Intel Core i5-7300HQ processor with 6MB cache,  256GB solid state drive, 16GB Ram,  4 GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti graphics.

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I had a similar experience with a system based on i7 2600K (an older Intel CPU). Changing from a GTX 580 to a GTX 980 updated it sufficiently to be useable again for IClone. Like Viking, no other changes to the system.


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I think I lost track of the question.

Last summer I upgraded my GPU (to a GTX 1080).
The increase in GPU memory helped a lot.
The increase in raw performance also helped.

No other changes to my system.

Rendering times improved anywhere from 10x to 30x depending on the project.




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Desktop (homebuilt) - Windows 10, Ryzen 9 3900x CPU, GTX 1080 GPU (8GB), 32GB RAM, Asus X570 Pro motherboard, 2TB SSD, terabytes of disk space, dual  monitors.
Laptop - Windows 10, MSI GS63VR STEALTH-252, 16GB RAM, GTX 1060 (6GB), 256GB SSD and 1TB HDD


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