Humor is no laughing matter!

laughter must be taken seriously.

nuff said.

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That seems to me pretty horrid sense of humour.

However, I wouldn't know...

Since I don't have any.:hehe:

Cloner's Cafe

Oh!

I thought the three Stooges movies were gone!

This thread really has the same flavor!  :D

For the forum flavor!.....     If not....!:)

What is life without humor? :cool:

Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer

It's a relief! Thanks a million for making everybody safe Zack. I am sure this would not have happened without the intervention of you guys.

My apologies for any hard words.

Regards

Surajit

Cloner's Cafe

A clear and sensible move from Reallusion, commendable and a guide light to others!

A sound and good step with the EULA.

Very good!

Gorz

  White Tiger Web Shop is not active anylonger, I don't have the time..             

Hey everyone,

Great news! Clause 4 has been completely removed from the Software EULA!! :D
Means, you can create any video and use it how you see fit, without restriction!

Here is a quote from the new Content EULA:

2.Reallusion grants you a non-exclusive Royalty-Free license to display Content within your iClone and/or CrazyTalk movies. You may generate, sell and redistribute your movies created with iClone and/or CrazyTalk with full ownership and use-rights to the output media in Image or Video format within the output guidelines of this agreement.

Clause 2 has a funny word that might cause confusion, so let me go ahead and translate from legalese to Plain-English. Non-exclusive right means you can buy and then use that content however you like, but you cannot turn around and sell it again to someone else.

More info from Content EULA:

1.You are not authorized to sell, resell, sell as, duplicate, distribute, sub-license, publish, market, or re-present - for re-sale or as free objects, any REALLUSION CONTENT STORE '3D model', or any derivative thereof.
2. You are authorized to sell, resell, sell as, duplicate, distribute, sub-license, publish, market, or re-present - for re-sale or as free objects, any modified default content, accept content designated as official contributing artist content, or any derivative thereof.

Clause 1 and 2 are the Derivative clauses I was hinting at from before. Means, I cannot buy someone's content then sell that content as resource for others. In other words, I cannot buy a Character, extract the texture, change that texture, then re-sell that texture.
But you can modify the default content as you like and sell unless it is official contributing artwork (which you will find in CrazyTalk6 upon its release ;))


Reallusion CloneBot

Helping you to develop, for everyone's benefit :cool:

I got a very kind and gentle message from CloneBot Zack, so I would like to state I understood perfectly well the issues treated here.

I would recommend all Users and CCDs to stop worrying about the document contents discussed in here.   CLoneBot Zack represents the clear thought of Reallusion, regarding all products. Once we read the clear explanations and exemplified arguments he just posted, we all shoud rest in trust of his statments.

I would just add, in response to the friendly message recieved, we entered into this thread in response to the cordial invitation received and written in the first post, and the cordial suggestion we would explain our doubts and questions, freely and constructively.

If we used some humorous "add ons" to our own comments, was just to invigorate the discussion and to make it feel like a friends gathering in peaceful chat!

Thanks CloneBot for your patience and you understandig about some of us not being so quick to grab what you clearly explained.

All for the success of iClone and al the R.L products!

Mike Aparicio

Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer

Here I try to explain again and cover the issues.

Tools
You may use our tools to develop iClone materials and use them freely in your projects or to sell that content. If you wish to sell directly on Reallusion's content store, you must agree to do so with a Royalty-Free clause. If you wish to sell on a3rd party site, then you must meet their requirements. If you wish to create your own store front online, please notify us, since you are selling materials that are using our proprietary format, we would like to know of your existence at least. If a customer approaches us and says, "Hey, is bob.com really a trusted site and I can buy iClone3 content there?" Would you rather Reallusion say, "yes, we know who they are, and you can trust them", or would you us rather say, "Bob.com? Who, what is that?! No, don't buy from them, we have no idea who they are! You could be downloading a virus disguised as a .VNS model"

When you use 3DS Max tools, do you own the rights to the models you created?
Yes, you do.
When you use Reallusion tools, do you own the rights to the models you created?
Yes, you do.

But we are a little different from 3ds max, because we have proprietary file formats, which means the content you make, can only be used by Reallusion products.

EULA and Stock Videos
Stock videos means short scenes in a movie, like establishing shots, or filler videos. You can use iClone or Crazytalk to make stock videos for any of your projects. However, there will be small restrictions of how to distribute stock videos for commercial use. What that restriction is, has not yet been written, but the purpose is to defend CCD artwork and content from abuse, not Reallusion's output.


Royalty Free
Means end-users, including yourselves, buy your content and can freely use them in videos for whatever purpose.

However, they cannot create derivatives.

So I cannot buy someone's music, change the tempo and sell it again. I cannot buy G3 character, make a JPEG of it, and sell it as a CrazyTalk6 image. I cannot buy a G3 character, change his texture and sell it again, but I can sell the texture and say it is specifically designed for that G3 character.

I can buy your G3 character and make a video of him dancing the polka with dandelions in his hair, and sell it on the streets of NYC. And will not pay royalties to you the developer, nor even mention your name in the creation, but I cannot claim I made the model, but I can claim the video output as mine, and I may do as I please with it. And you can do the same with your video outputs.

Royalty Free gives end-user more freedom, thus more clarity of how to legally use your product, which increases demand for your content.
If a end-user buys content from Reallusion Content store, they know it is royalty free and will be free to publish their work however they like. But if in that video they use Beethoven's Fur Elise, they must have obtained rights to that song before they publish and since that is not on Reallusion's Content Store, we cannot give you rights to that song.

If your output anything from iClone or CrazyTalk, you need to own or have permission to use whatever materials you used. And if everything you used were default content from iClone or CrazyTalk or content you bought from Reallusion Content store, then you have nothing to fear, because you have the permissions.
Do you understand why the clauses say what they say now? If you have a particular question, then post it with the specific article quoted, and I will clarify it from Reallusion's view of the agreement.

I hope now I clarified the issues, and about why Royalty Free is a sound business move for Reallusion and CCD.
If you don't wish your content on the Reallusion Store Front to be royalty free, May 22 is your deadline to request your content to be removed.

As about Clause 4, I will say it again now, and I will no longer answer questions about it until our lawyers finish writing the EULA for CrazyTalk6. Clause 4 is irrelevant at the moment, all you need to know about the new EULA is that, NOW you may do whatever you wish with your output as long as you own the rights to everything in your finished output.

If you wish to discuss with me, send email to zack@developer.com, not a message to my forum account. If you have questions, post here on the forum so everyone can read them, Thanks. ;)


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Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer

Thanks NS, yes, exactly, I believe artists should come first, and fortunately for us , we are all artists including reallusion.

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