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Nvidia is due to release some outstanding GPUs in the next few months. They are reputedly much faster and more powerful than existing RTX 2000 series. If you can hold out, these cards (Ampere series) will be the best you can get.

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Nvidia is due to release some outstanding GPUs in the next few months. They are reputedly much faster and more powerful than existing RTX 2000 series. If you can hold out, these cards (Ampere series) will be the best you can get.


Yeah.. And an extra $1000 price tag on top of the 2000 series also i would assume.. LOL. Without direct competition, their prices for their high-end cards have just rocketed over the years.


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Since years I've been building my own machines and right now I'd recommend the AMD Ryzen Threadrippers for a CPU.
Here is a link:
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3960x/p/N82E16819113619
They are not cheap but they are the way to go if you want a machine for the next years to come.
As to GPU - Nvidia is supposed to release the new RTX 3080 cards within the next couple months.  That also means the price of the 2080's is about to drop.  Benchmarks and price would determine which one to choose, just don't go bellow a 2080 Super I'd say.
Hope this helps:)
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Since years I've been building my own machines and right now I'd recommend the AMD Ryzen Threadrippers for a CPU.
Here is a link:
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3960x/p/N82E16819113619
They are not cheap but they are the way to go if you want a machine for the next years to come.
As to GPU - Nvidia is supposed to release the new RTX 3080 cards within the next couple months.  That also means the price of the 2080's is about to drop.  Benchmarks and price would determine which one to choose, just don't go bellow a 2080 Super I'd say.
Hope this helps:)


Don't expect the prices of the 2000 series to drop. As I said before. Without direct competition from AMD, they rule the market on pricing. When the 2000 series came out, I kept trying to find some 1080TIs as I thought the price would decrease also. But that was not the case. They made the prices of the 2000 series more than the 1000 series and just kept the 1000 series basically the same price until they stopped making them. I would love to be wrong about this. But when you control the pricing because of no competition. You can then do whatever you want and people will pay those prices.


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@Slayerrazazel, AMD is actually releasing their new line, which includes raytracing this year. It appears that both companies are trying to time their release to outmaneuver the other. So, there will be competition. Also, Nvidia did stop production of the 2000 series recently. If price is the main criteria for you, I can see your argument. However, if the OP is looking for future-proofing and functionality (for all his computer needs), these next gen cards are unbeatable.

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@ cinemyscope, what is the advantage of a Threadripper over a Ryzen 9 series, assuming an X570 mobo and 128 Gb of ram?

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ultimativity (7/15/2020)
@Slayerrazazel, AMD is actually releasing their new line, which includes raytracing this year. It appears that both companies are trying to time their release to outmaneuver the other. So, there will be competition. Also, Nvidia did stop production of the 2000 series recently. If price is the main criteria for you, I can see your argument. However, if the OP is looking for future-proofing and functionality (for all his computer needs), these next gen cards are unbeatable.


Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. But NVidia owning the market has nothing to do with raytracing. For example in iclone there is global illumination which is NVidia only software (I believe). Sure an AMD card can still use the feature, but no where near as well as an NVidia card can handle it. 
Also the reallusion programs are accelerated with NVIDIA. My previous AMD card would not be recognised and all my renders ran through my CPU until I upgraded to a NVidia card. Now my standard renders run through the GPU and then there's iray which is supported by reallusion, another NVidia software that is only supported on NVidia cards.

So when I say that NVidia are king. I'm stating that based on this thread. About what would be best for iclone and character creator. In regards to a new PC.

AMD own the midrange market for gaming. That's it. They cannot compete with what NVidia offers and is supported by reallusion. And also cannot really compete overall in the video/gaming/editing/rendering side of things. 

I used to be an AMD exclusive user. Until I started 3D modelling and animating. AMD just can't come close in that aspect imo.

If you want good bang for your buck for gaming, then AMD is the card you want and they definitely own the market thete.. If you want raw power and for use in the 3D World then NVidia is the card you want and they clearly own the market in that aspect.




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Hi Nathan,
I should specify that I am referring to the 3rd generation Threadrippers.  Since there are 1st generation Threadrippers out there that would be outperformed by a Ryzen 9.  3rd generation are the somewhat expensive 3960X, the more expensive 3970X, and the IMO too expensive 3990X.  The main difference would be in the cores.  I think the top of the line Ryzen 9 has 16 cores at 3.5Ghz.  The lowest spec (new generation) Threadripper has 24 cores at 3.8Ghz.  It costs about double too but more cores at a higher clock speed will be faster.  It then also depends on the programs you use and your workflow.  For example I use one 3D application that doesn't access the GPU at all - unfortunately.  That software would see an impressive boost in render performance between the 8 core i7 I'm using right now and a 24 core Threadripper.  With iClone online comments are all over the place, but I'd guess render speed is probably more CPU based whereas FPS performance for things like live link transfers are primarily dependent on the GPU.  In other words if you balance CPU vs. GPU vs. budget you need to factor in the individual workflow and other software besides iClone you may be using.  That said since the initial question was for a machine for a feature length film I'm guessing performance is more important than cost, so I'd wait for the 3080 and go with one of the three 3rd generation Threadrippers.  At least right now, in a year from now this may all be different, but it would still be a very good machine for some time to come.
Hope this helps:)
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Ken, I haven't been on here in a while. I've been working on a movie since IC-3. I see a few people I know on here are still here, Just a Viking and Rampa. I'm not a spring chicken, I'll be 70 in August, and I have built everything from vacuum tube stuff, to the stuff they have today. I designed Cat scans in the 70, and fiber optics, using Xmas trees from Radio Shack. I don't keep up with Computers everyday, because before you can get a new one put together, something new is released. Last July I just was curious to see what the top processor was, and it was the new AMD Ryzen 9-3900X for $399. It was sold out the first day, I was lucky to get it a week later, because it takes 3 months, to build one of these CPU's. I was using a i7-6800k, I'm not a fan boy for any. I used even Cyrix, CPU's, whoever gave me the most bang for the buck. My biggest beef when I bought Intel based CPU's, almost 100% of the time, anytime they came out with a new CPU, you had to get a new motherboard. To go to a faster CPU than the 6800K, I had to get a new MB. That MB series was obsolete after 1 or 2 years. But, the motherboard, had 8 Ram slots, and I was able to have 128 GB of RAM. They had people on here that would say, 16 GB of RAM was enough. Yes, that may be enough, if you had 2-4 avatars. And most of the videos I've seen on here has 1-4 avatars. I'm trying to get at least 80 different people on a Jet plane, and 100 different people in a disco with rotating lights, with real lights in them, 30-40 different people on a beach. Because when have that many things moving, the CPU has to instruct each thing to perform it's instruction, and if you have 1000 things that have to change, a slow CPU needs more time to move everything in the scene, not the video card. Back in the days, when there became more than one main color TV manufacturers, you could see the difference in some by a mile. You have all these people swearing by these overpriced video cards, but can you look at any of these final videos and say this video was made with 2080 11GB card? Yes it will render faster to your drive, but look better? It's like audio, some people swear by MAC, but can you tell if a song was made by a MAC, or Windows Digital Audio Workstation? No you can't, so why do they spend the extra money? If I spend more money, I want to see or hear the results, by that much more money.  Go to https://www.cpubenchmark.net/ and compare High end CPU's, you will see that the Ryzen 9-3900X, is the best CPU for your buck, and it works with the old 400 series and new 500 series motherboards. You can also compare video cards there also, with prices and links. As far as memory, I usually buy the second slowest, there is not that much difference in buying the fastest, I never compared memory by speed, but look at You Tube, I'm not paying $200 more for memory, just to get 10 seconds of faster rendering time. With the i7-6880; some movies I use to render took 10-12 hours, now with the 3900X, everything is under 2 hours. I can add much more avatars in my scenes, without iClone creeping on me, skipping frames while running my scene. I would love to get the Threadripper for $3000, and those motherboards are around $500, and I could have up to 256 RAM. The naysayers on here have said, you don't need that much, RAM, but do they have +60 avatars in their scenes?  They are lucky to have 6. If you don't have a lot of Avatars, you don't need the power. When I first bought iClone 3, I couldn't get 6 people on my plane, because it wasn't enough RAM. Buying a better video card did never increase my use of avatars, only the size of the RAM, and the faster CPU's made my iClone playback work normal. If you build your own computers, I would recommend you get the 3900X  bundle with the 570 motherboard, from Microcenter or New Egg. Get two sticks of 32 GB of Ram, incase one day you want to go all the way to 128 GB if you will use a lot of avatars. Try this before you get a new video card, you may not need to buy one. Go to my movie teaser on YouTube. So far I though guys on here have great looking videos, I have never seen anyone coming close to the number of live avatars, non-duplicate I use in my scenes. There are two disco scenes, and the reason there are less avatars, in the first one, because I only had 32, than 64 GB of RAM for the next one, when I was able to go to 128 GB of RAM, I could almost double, the amount in the final one, not shown on here. The jungle scene in Rio Dreams, probably used the most of my 11 GB of RAM of my 1080Ti card, only around 5 GB. Getting the 9-3900X, and a 570 Motherboard, will set you back around $600. I had the fastest processor for 4 months. If you have DDR4 memory in your old motherboard just use that. I never overclock, but I have watercooler on it. Good luck with your new computer. Since I had iC3, I must have upgraded my computer every year. And I'm thinking about the $3000 Threadripper, to put in there, and use the 3900X for the new coming out in August, MS Flight Simulator only computer. Here is my movie scene teaser, and some other under rioleo8 on YouTube.     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0xsSvtgqCs  If anyone knows, anyone who uses more Avatars in their iClone projects than myself, please point me to the videos please. Thank you.      
   

Home built; ASRock X570 Pro 4, AMD Ryzen 9-5950X CPU, AMD RADEON RX6900XT, 16GB video card, 131GB of RAM.



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