Fortunately, the Kinect didn't come from Apple... It would have been iKinect and completely closed. So, thank you, MS...

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true story - facebook actually took out a trademark on "book"

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/facebook-book-trademark/

How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a light bulb?

A: None, they merely change the standard to darkness and then they upgrade the customers.

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Microsoft is the fool in foolishness.

Basically their SDK is a recording device.
What an absurd precedent lurks behind those Gates.

Won't be long before anything you compose or create on anything including word processors is in violation (after all a word processor allowed you to cut & paste!) ;)

Oh and that next video camera or dvd burner you buy will probably only allow you to playback your footage or creations on days under a full moon and those days must fall on Feb 30th :hehe::hehe::hehe: Oh and the playback must only be in your living room, bedrooms and kitchens are in violation due to potential risk of sex & violence!
Also having 2 or more lights turned on in your home at the same time when viewing footage is in flagrant violation of section A of the "let's have a look clause" in the EULA

Seriously though, software makers are within their right to pin any absurd limitations they dream up. Oh and once the TSA gets wind of things... ya won't be able to fire up your puter without an pat down!

Methinks that Microsoft in the head which usually is the Johnny come lately to the parties after the "real" innovators have paved the road with their creativity is attempting to muscle & herd away the supporters.

@peter it then becomes a game of semantics - the software wasn't used to make money, i did not offer people to come over to pay for my services to take their mocap. The software was used to create a file. The file made money. - not challenging you per se' all these years working with the business guys in music just showed me how both sides think.

in a technical sense - ms owns the product that translates data, it does not own the data it outputs. if the data were ported to bvh, ms does not own the bvh tag or it's copyright. If a language translator demo taught me how to say yes in french, it could not restrict my right to say yes in french there after - but it can restrict my right in opening a shop that translates words for other people for a fee.

in a neutral view, the motion capture system should have never allowed the output of files if we couldn't do as we please with our ideas in our files.

in a real - street - ghetto view- you should have never made it so easy for me and tempted me lol.

besides, me personally i keyframe everything -halo over head- ;)

Edt - I think they put that there for the major game /movie maker corporations that set up hundreds of stations using betaware, and make millions without any intention to compensate microsoft. - it's worth sending feds to a labor factory under paying and over working employees and using every free software they can get. Its those guys that cause these blanket restrictions imo.

in that perspective, I say thank you microsoft for allowing out put to the little guys - they could have made it a proprietary format that would cost thousands of dollars to unlock, and cut us out.

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No complaints? But did you notifiy the makers of the demo software and inform them that you were making money from their demo software? They may have had a different opinion then.

Having no complaints because no one found out does not make it a legal action.

EULA's are there for a reason and while we may not like all the restrictions they bring it is in the best interest of the user to abide by them.

                                                                

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True but if that pencil came with a clear license agreement that stated you could not use it to make money commercially and you did, then you would be in breach of the license agreement. ;)

                                                                

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I agree with mike,

If i borrowed your pencil and wrote a hit song, the song is mine, the pencil is yours.

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I know Thebiz.movies! We both agree! I was talking to John for Peter to listen! (Spanish saying)...

Actually it does not matter who says whatever. A motion file is only a motion file and, unless you didn't do it, you can give it away, sell it or modify it! If you did it, by tweaking, by doing Rellusion Puppet, by converting it from MAX into bvh Converter, by hand, or by a beta whatever, the motion is yours! Not "theirs".

It is like music. I've done quite a few songs using demo software to try it. They ended up being so good, I sold them for a commercial work!

No complaints whatsoever! It is a fair conclusion.

SDK means (Software Development Kit) When referring to SDK deployment means "using my SDK to do other software... That's a no, no... if I said no, no!" . Not the same as using a driver to drive some hardware and such combination produces a result. The driver issuer has no rights on the product of its working!

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Mike, I'm pretty much in agreement with you here. I was simply quoting the section that Peter referred too (and that you in turn asked him to quote to you). If Peter has been told directly that the issue is with the motions, then your and my own definition of the word deployment is not going to matter much.

Thebiz.movies:

So far, for "deployment" it is understood as an application (APPS) using a certain SDK.

It is not the produced file or material what is deployed. It is the software libraries which integrate a certain functional application which are deployed!

Example: You can download a Text Editor C++ set of routines. With those you compile a simple text editor program. With the text editor you write a book. Now: You cannot sell the text editor you compiled because it has been done by deploying the C++ libraries to make the editor.
But of course you can sell the book! It is just a plain file, with the .txt extension, no different from another .txt file.

Regarding restrictions it is important to undertand it's meaning prior to feel constrained by them.

Definition of: deployment

Installing, setting up, testing and running. This military term, which means the placement of troops and equipment in the field, is widely used with computers as an alternate to the word "implementation." For example, "XYZ software deployment" is the same as saying "XYZ software implementation." To "deploy" something is to "get it installed and running."

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