"However, non-commercial deployments using Kinect for Xbox 360, which were allowed using the SDK beta, are no longer permitted.

Developers are encouraged to take advantage of the additional features and updates available with the Kinect for Windows SDK v1, which enables the development of commercial applications using Kinect for Windows hardware and systems running Windows operating systems."


I suppose the term deployment could refer to the motion itself but that would not have been my first guess. Are we positive that this term is referring to the motion and not a programmed application?

Thanks for the answer Peter!

Could you please point to the document where the restriction is stated?

Thanks for taking the bother!

P.S. ( I do not understand the issue. How could you commit an EULA violation by using your beta motions. for products?

A breach can occur only if the software is duplicated or otherwise manipulated. As I said, there is no difference between one file or another. In simple words: Would be a way for Microsoft to "detect" a motion file came from a beta version? Just in such case there would be a breach!

This is a crazy world of bans and prohibitions!

No intention to create controversy. Just an issue that need to be clearly solved!

Mike

Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer

It really isn't an issue if there is no way of detecting where the motion file came from. The license from Microsoft (Not Reallusion) clearly states that motions created with the Beta SDK can't be used commercially. If you knowingly do so you would be in breach of those licensing terms, even if you consider that no one will ever find out.

                                                                

Peter
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Hi Mike

If you have purchased a Kinect sensor designed for Xbox then you can only use the MS Kinect Beta SDK or the Open NI version. The full release version of the MS SDK is only for the Kinect For Windows sensor.

                                                                

Peter
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The original release of the iClone5 Mocap Device Plugin included the Open NI based SDK which could be used commercially. The Microsoft Kinect SDK Beta was introduced later at no extra charge as a bonus download. You are not paying any money for this Beta SDK. It is purely included as a free bonus for Kinect For Xbox users. However any motions you create using the MS Beta SDK can be used for your own personal use.

                                                                

Peter
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Peter:
I read lines where you say "Motions created with Beta software could not be sold... etc."

I don´t think that is realistic at all. Once a motion is captured inside iClone its data format is iClone proprietary and has no difference whatsoever with any other motion file available. It is impossible to tell if a motion file came from the xbox or not worse to tell if it was captured with certain Kinect drivers.

Am I wrong? May be there is a mistake in saying "the motions cannot be sold at either marketplace or any place?"

I don't think so. The Microsoft restrictions have to do with Software products developed with the SKD kit. It means programs or plugins which communicate with the Kinect sensor. Not with derived motions from it.

Let's understand it clearly. The restriction has to do with SOFTWARE product development for commercial use. Not with motions obtained with either means.

Mike.

Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer

Hi folks!

I am retaking the Kinect setup and research on its powers.

I have a question, as there is great confusion:

I Purchased a Kinect Xbox 360, but it comes with the adapter cable for extra power.

Then: Am I restricted to the Beta software by Microsoft or can I use the official release?

I do not really think there is a substantial difference between "Kinect for Windows" And the Xbox version. It sounds to me like a commercial plot to take over the Kinect sales by MS.

Can someone help me advising:

Should I stick to the Beta software or can I use the newest final version of it?

Thanks for responses!

Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer

So then, the MS Beta SDK is a waste of time and money if no motions can be used.

Also, there is a huge difference in the quality of the OpenNI version and the MS Beta SDK. OpenNI is barely useable, if at all.

No it can't I'm afraid. However you will be able to export BVH files with the new 3DXchange5 Pipeline Edition which is due out later in the year. :)

                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

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Correct. Mocap motions created using the Beta SDK can not be used commercially in any way. That includes the Marketplace or commercial training videos I'm afraid.

                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

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