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Sorry Peter, perils of text there. I misread the comment. The Schenectady shots from others have haunted me. Wink

'But that same scene, with different camera angles, perhaps some closeups of the character's face, some reaction of what was happening, could tell an actual story and be a real SCENE.  That's the difference between animating and filmmaking.'

BINGO! It is the power of visual storytelling and visual literacy. That's the big thing, what shot, what lighting, what blocking, what expression, all these decisions must be carefully made. Smile


Last point…take your favourite film, turn off the sound and really watch it all the way through. No Sound! By the end you’ll know something about film you didn’t know before…


This is honestly the best lesson you can get folks.


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Ridley Scott is always praised for his beautiful camera work. Guess where he started out? Making T.V. commercials!

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We in the US are mostly exposed to one or two particularly kinds of animation, often with the premise that "animation is for children". This is incorrect. Spiny Norman already mentioned some other possibilities. For those interested I can recommend checking out the animation presented and supported by the National Film Board of Canada: https://www.nfb.ca/channels/Animation/.

In 1977 ( 40 years ago!), I did the film music for a Dutch animation movie that was selected for the animation festival in Annecy, France. The filmmaker and I attended, and I was introduced to an enormous variety in animation; techniques as well as subjects. It was edgy then and more artistic I think than the market place that it is today. Nowadays animation is of course a big commercial success, but I think that has taken out some of the bite. The good news is that if you do your own thing you don't have to answer to mainstream sensitivities, except when you have to make a living of course. I've given up on that long ago...Unsure


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"3d animated Film".... in CGI:
The idea is to write an awesome story and tell the story using various methods to grab the audience attention.

From this point of view, (Using iClone)
How is (3d Animated Film Creation) discussed as Film Making Vs. Animation?

if you grab the audience attention using the awesome advice given here and apply smooth animation.
It's a win win.
No?

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Damned you all guys!  This thread is so interesting that I almost burned out my pizza while reading it!

..and i did not even "notice that bulldozer getting close to my house because somebody decided that here is going to pass the next interstellar highway" (a FANTASTIC beginning of a story from a famous book) Cool

Thanks you all: so many useful hints, tips links, and information here in this thread.
Nothing to add... I am just a beginner in CGA

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Thanks you all: so many useful hints, tips links, and information here in this thread.

Wow! I echo this thought.
This (detailed info) will take me many moons to fully grasp.

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Thanks you all: so many useful hints, tips links, and information here in this thread.

Wow! I echo this thought.
This (detailed info) will take me many moons to fully grasp.

ThanksSmile

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Good stuff....I'm takin' notes for sure! Wink


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Thank you all for being so kind about my post.  Post’…it was practically a novel. I hope it was helpful for those unsure where  to start?  Thanks Benjamin Tuttle for  getting and promoting my last point, and thank you Kelleytoons for starting  this post, it has obviously struck a nerve?

 

There are no sure things about storytelling; and  despite how people have tried, no formula that lasts for terribly long, because  of its very nature. Duh!  

 

The ancient Greeks had a system for drama that much of  Western storytelling has followed; number of acts etc, etc. But even in the  ‘Orient’ (and I don’t mean that term pejoratively, but as a means of  differentiating cultural bias,) there are systems and structures that underlie  all successful tales, and yet would leave most Westerners totally confused…

 

People have been jailed for storytelling, a few even  killed, (and I’m talking pure fiction here?) Yet despite all this, many, many  fine novels and motion pictures simply fail to find an audience. Sometimes it  is because the story is too confronting…too soon…as modern lingo would have it.Sometimes it’s just a lousy story, but mostly it’s just a story ‘badly told’…

 

We are lucky to live in an era of endless ‘remakes’and ‘re-boots’…watch them all! (I don’t mean enjoy them necessarily, most are  execrable.) I recently watched the two hour re-make of Alfred Hitchcocks  ‘Rebecca’…in my humble opinion one of the great movies of all time…and my soul  nearly departed my body!

 

Immediately afterwards I watched the original. I saw  where Hitchcock had ‘cut to the chase’, created and deleted dialogue to improve  character and pacing. In short, watching a two hour modern re-make gave me a  chance to get a lesson in film making from Alfred Hitchcock himself, even  though he’s been dead for 38 years?..

 

It has been said many times, that great writers, are  great readers, and I have always found it so. Great film makers are generally  great cineaste’s. Martin Scorcese, George Lucas, Steven Speilberg and Francis  Ford Coppola all come immediately to mind. Without their efforts all of the  later films of Akira Kurosawa would never have come to pass, and Abel Gance’s 4hour silent film of ‘Napoleon’ would have rotted away beyond saving.

 

What has this to do with IClone’ I hear you ask?  Everything!..

 

Since the very first art gallery came into being,(most in the early days owned by only the very rich and powerful,) artists from  all over would go to examine and criticise each others work. There was a  certain amount of ego involved as each artist tried to outdo the other…not  unlike a lot of Hollywood today?

 

Those artists knew, if they were stuck painting, say‘a full moon’, someone, somewhere would’ve figured out how to pull it off, all  they needed was to see what had been done and figure out a way to do it better.

 

We ICloner’s are so lucky, Cinema is just over a  hundred years old. There’s a lot of film out there folks! Just in terms of  ‘animation’ we have everything from Disney to Chuck Jones and beyond. (The  Warner cartoons or even ‘Tom and Jerry’ aren’t much longer than most IClone  offerings?) Got an ‘animation’ problem? Someone, somewhere has figured it  out…all you have to do is find it…

 

So, watch more, animate more…how to have a family and  a real life while doing all this, I’ll leave that to somebody else to explain?..



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Thanks for you posts fellow Ausie. Similar with every ones tips/comments they are causing me to consider things effectively I think.

There are no sure things about storytelling


I think that is one of the most significant comments made. I don't know how many times I have heard reviews about movies described as rubbish that I and many others loved and thought were great and many others that were described as fantastic that I and many others thought was rubbish. Were any of them really rubbish and really fantastic. Maybe...maybe not.  A lot of what make a movie great is the viewers personal preferences.
I think you are right that we just need to make our video's how we want. Definitely pick up tips and ideas from others but in the end it is really our choice on how we should make what we make

I also think I like your suggestion about watching some of my favourite movies without sound and will be trying it over the weekend. I don't know if it will work for me but I think I might discover some idea's/methods that will help me to use my graphics to enhance/assist the story I am telling. The most obvious point related to this I can think of is using effective horror graphics to make a horror story more horrifying.  Maybe I will discover some other things that doing that will show? If I do I will be posting things I find here and I hope many others do as well. Discovering ideas I haven't thought about should be helpful to some degree.


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