iNot shure if a have a quick fix for this. At least this fixed the not working expression loops for me.

- load a cc3+ char into clone
- send char to CC
- switch to extended facial profile
- send char back to iclone
- load expression loop, select ExPlus
Though this possibly looses other already done animations

Yeah Daz is awful. Awful & 1/2

I am using the latest build of Cascadeur and the export/import of fbx is there and works fine.
(update...now I know what you mean. They removed this from the free version. But......come on)

There is NO animation software that is or aspires to be professional without fbx export/import. That includes Cascadeur.
What has changed is their pricing. But honestly, they are getting better and better and better. Freeloaders are never welcome.

Maaaaybe that made some people upset and they are floating some stupid myths for that reason.

By the way, am I seeing things or is it really the case that the fbx export of iClone and CC4 differ in their bone rotation and scale??
I was wondering why I cannot apply animations saved in iClone to cc4...
so you cannot make anymore refinements to the figure once in iClone because....you can't. Very surprising for sibling software that are "supposed" to work in tandem.

I threw my money at the stupidest **** here. 
GOTTA GET IT INTO MY HEAD! Less advertisment=better product

Cascadeur IS the superior software when it comes to body animation. By a wide margin. There is a script from Cascadeur that makes applying the animations to Daz figures easy.

Sure you have to then save and apply a animation as a pose preset but it looks and works great.Sure you have to then save and apply a animation as a pose preset but it looks and works great.

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Hi guys,

Yes I am frustrated with errors in critical parts of software that are "introduced" with newer Versions. Especially when they deal with areas that are promoted before purchase.
Make problems and never resolve them. This is straight from the Daz playbook. Which does not bode well.

Sometimes it is a niche thing, so specific. Even Maya has that.

But, still, for a product specifically catering to modern animation, ANY aspect of facial animation has to be watertight. And not being able to apply facial animations prdocued by the same family software in ONE Version later is just inexcusable. And glaring. If you ask me.



I can only see different tickets being issued for the same problem(as they are public) but since there seems to be no one curating these things, these tickets are not put together and so each one has a few votes only.
That does not help and is not what I call professional.

I know Daz Studio is Trash. It has been, for a very long time, a convoluted mess without any interested from the developer to make it a viable product.
Since their NFT idea blew up in their face they have tried to become a little less idiotic but they will, likely, never be able to understand what it is they need to do to survive.

Cascadeur IS the superior software when it comes to body animation. By a wide margin. There is a script from Cascadeur that makes applying the animations to Daz figures easy.
Sure you have to then save and apply a animation as a pose preset but it looks and works great.

There is NO WAY anyone can make me use Daz animation feature unless it is for animating a morph slider over time. Otherwise...no thank you. All other features are also barebones and way behind the curve. As was stated.

BUT, the base models are much, much, much better than what is available in CC.

Honestly, when I look at the human sausages that are CC3 and CC3+ figures(I mean just look at them, look at the shoulders, the hips, the legs) then I cannot understand why reallusion has not yet made a cc4 base mesh available.
Because they look much better. It is very weird.


I know full and well to stay AWAY from any developer that promotes the upsell more than the feature completeness of a flaship product so this is all on me. Likely selling seperate figures as CC4 models is more lucrative to them than providing a more modern base for us to work with.

But I had the cash and I will certainly find a use/case scenario.

Hope you all have a great days/weeks/months ect

Sadly I'm not really understanding the points you are making either. Can you explain more about the specific problems you are having using the software. Is it related to iTalk files like the OP?

                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com

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I don't understand what stmcorres is asking? :unsure: 

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Dear Moderator who you read as a genuine person who cares,

I just spend nearly 2000 Euros for a package of software and now I find out that the q&a is JUST AS BAD as with Daz Studio.

Wow. Just wow.

What the hell is going on here?

Word of mouth is...if you want money, (and it's not nothing), Reallusion has to deliver.  Is Daz going to get it's **** together? Maybe.
In terms of Body animation, a Daz/Cascadeur pipeline(which exists) blows iClone out of the water. But in terms of facial animation and useability there....this is the last straw. Really.

and let me guess, we won't see a correct base model for the cc4 charactertype....ever?

 UPDATE:

I have discussed with the dev team who explained the reason you get the error message is because the the Expression Loops are a carry over from iClone 7.9 which used the  ARKits facial profile and not the CC4 Extended Profile. You can find out more about this below.

https://manual.reallusion.com/Character_Creator_3/ENU/3/Content/Character_Creator_3/3.4/08_Animation/Creating-Character-with-ARKit-Profile.htm

Sadly at present no decision has been made as to whether the Expression Loops will be updated to the CC4 Extended Profile but hopefully I will know more soon. Once a decision has been made I will update again to let you know.


                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com