Glad to hear its all sorted.

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Ghost Origins

My latest Feature length film created with Iclone.

My Sci- Fi Graphic Novel on Amazon: https://a.co/d/9k3cwoY

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Good news!

Now that I have a non-iClone character imported and converted by CC4, all I have to do is select this existing character in my iClone scene, apply animation, and export as FBX. The exported FBX maintains my original non-iClone character rig, bone names, up-vectors and rotations that I can directly import into Cinema-4D as a motion source without doing anything else. It's now my fastest means of creating animation.  I might look at what the iClone scripting provides to possibly make it a "one-click" operation.

Thanks for everyone that helped especially AutoDidact that spent much of his personal time driving to help find a solution!
Now I can share this with the Cinema-4D community.

Case closed.
Bruce Kingsley

Hi AutoDidact,

I'm sorry if my response sounded negative in light with all the time you've spent helping me.     I'll see if I can edit it out of my posting.

RAG DOLL COLLISION ANIMATIONS FOR ICLONE 8 & 7
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Ghost Origins

My latest Feature length film created with Iclone.

My Sci- Fi Graphic Novel on Amazon: https://a.co/d/9k3cwoY

My IMDB listing
Anabran Abdhul Quarnain - IMDb

Hi AutoDidact,
I'm sorry if my response sounded negative in light with all the time you've spent helping me. :(    I'll see if I can edit it out of my posting.

Though as I stated in my last posting, I submitted a customer support ticket to Reallusion on this topic months ago, and if they never replied to my ticket where they could have directed me to tutorial videos or documentation.  This is why I posted this question to this forum. They didn't reply, they just closed the ticket as "no solution" and would be very disappointed if they did his because they assumed something. As a paying customer, I felt I did my best to get an answer from the app supplier before hitting up other customers on a forum.

Maxon has lost a bunch of existing customers (mostly hobbyist people like myself) for multiple reasons, but have gained others. I don't think 3D characters and animation is their product target. But what ever their customer targets are, they have enough cash to buy other companies such as Redshift, Red Giant, and Z-Brush in just the last two years (stock holders don't like cash spent without growth). But I don't want to go down the path of who makes the best 3D software which is like debating who makes the best truck. They all have their pros and cons, hence why I have, and paid for so many 3D apps including Reallusion (I paid more to Reallusion this year than Maxon and my plug-ins products combined). FYI - 3D is just one of my personal hobbies for stress relief of being a 45 year senior aerospace engineer/manager creating software (some that is AI) that performs aircraft components and weapon actuation control emulation for qualification. Though this background helped me write my custom scripts.

Thanks again for your help and I'll post later what I find on limiting the export steps.
Bruce Kingsley.

RAG DOLL COLLISION ANIMATIONS FOR ICLONE 8 & 7
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Ghost Origins

My latest Feature length film created with Iclone.

My Sci- Fi Graphic Novel on Amazon: https://a.co/d/9k3cwoY

My IMDB listing
Anabran Abdhul Quarnain - IMDb

All,

I actually made some progress! 

AutoDidact: I spent some time looking at your videos and helped me look deeper into the different Reallusion apps and versions of them and how they now perform differently than the pervious versions before iClone 8 and CC4 that I tried before.

Rampe: I watched your video again and decided to try it, even though my perception was CC4 was just going to convert the DAZ figure to a iClone figure as it has done in the past. When I looked at the BVH file it created, I noticed it had the DAZ bone names, so I imported it into DAZ and it successfully re-targeted. 

4u2ges: I found out why the limits need to be turned off. My first import the hip followed correctly, but after about 100 frames the figured started to "float" in the air. I looked at the animation data and noticed once the hip rotated over 180 deg., the key frames in only that axis stopped. I tried it a second time wit the limits off and that problem stopped. I export a FBX from DAZ and my Cinema-4D Python re-targeting code worked perfectly. 

Tomorrow I'm going to try skipping that DAZ import part, because now that I have the character already converted by CC4, I want to  see if I can directly import into Cinema-4D.  I also want to see what the FBX file format iClone now creates. Odd that it's the animation editing app, but doesn't export animation BVH files  like CC4 does which isn't designed for animation. I'm hoping I don't have edit in iClone, export to CC4, export to DAZ, and finally import into Cinema-4D.

I'm surprised Reallusion hasn't made a tutorial or have anything in their documentation on how to do what you guys helped me accomplish over the last couple of days. I hadn't found anything in the Cinema-4D Maxon (licensed users with maintenance access only) forums and support on using iClone at all, but I do find a bunch on using Blender, Motion-Builder (which is really costly) and Cascadeur. I used to also have have Maya and 3DS-Max which is stronger in character animation than Cinema-4D  that I have,  but I had to dropped the others when Autodesk bought them and they didn't allow the software uses without the subscription. Cinema-4D is now going this route as well as Insydium (X-Particles) and Redshift that I have, but if I drop the maintenance, I can still use the versions that bought when they had puerperal licenses.  Maxon also provides me the best support than any application I have where I get an expert reply within hours. I placed a ticket with Reallusion a couple of months ago on this subject you guys helped me with and have yet to hear back even after paying almost $1,000 on software updates.

I'll add a final posting on this topic tomorrow when I find out if I can skip the multiple exporting steps.

Thanks again for your help!

Bruce Kingsley.

RAG DOLL COLLISION ANIMATIONS FOR ICLONE 8 & 7
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Ghost Origins

My latest Feature length film created with Iclone.

My Sci- Fi Graphic Novel on Amazon: https://a.co/d/9k3cwoY

My IMDB listing
Anabran Abdhul Quarnain - IMDb

Just do not forget to set "Limits Off" for the entire bones hierarchy in DAZ before importing BVH.
Otherwise some motions would not behave as expected.

RAG DOLL COLLISION ANIMATIONS FOR ICLONE 8 & 7
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Ghost Origins

My latest Feature length film created with Iclone.

My Sci- Fi Graphic Novel on Amazon: https://a.co/d/9k3cwoY

My IMDB listing
Anabran Abdhul Quarnain - IMDb

Hi AutoDidact,
I was unable to find a video on your channel where you used 3Dxchange to convert an iClone motion rig to a DAZ rig. Can you point me to one of your videos that is closest to this subject where the rig is corrected?   BTW - I do have 3Dxchange 7 Pipeline.

To clarify, I do not have an iClone character nor plan on making one. I'm only looking at using iClone for producing animations the same way I've been able to use Mixamo, DAZ and most recently Cascadeur. All I want is the animated bones, and I remove all the mesh objects,, their morphs and materials.

I don't have any problem importing iClone into Cinema-4D. The iClone character will animate and look the same in Cinema-4D just as it did in iClone, it's just the bone rig is so difficult to retarget it from. If I can get 3Dxchange 7 Pipeline to convert an iClone character animation to a rig similar to DAZ or Mixamo, I would be pleased.

On an unrelated yet positive note, the latest iClone AccuLips-AI does a descent job of speech animation. I wrote a Cinema-4D script that will import an iClone FBX file and extract the animated face morphs used for speech, and transfer them to my Cinema-4D character with extra code to smooth the transitions and apply additional face morphs for added realism. 


This is a low resolution render of one of my characters that I created and animate.