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VRTeacher
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VRTeacher
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I create a character in CC3+ through headshot and send it to iClone. Somehow the character's face in iClone has darker skin than the same character in CC (under the same light condition). Is this normal? How do I maintain the CC skin tone (that I've set) over on iClone?
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animagic
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I did a test with the Caleb character included in CC. Initially I also had the character appearing much darker, but then I found there were additional lights attached to two props in CC. There were also a series of effects that influence the render, which I removed. I recreated the CC scene in iClone, including the position of the character and all light sources from CC and I then rendered at 4k with 3x3 Super-sampling. I think the result is pretty close (iClone renders a bit darker).
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Data Juggler
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Data Juggler
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Lights make all the difference. Here is Character Creator Mic StandUp: Calec Here is IClone without a point light on each side of his face: He looks like he is either real tired, or just had several bong hits and a shot of whiskey: Some light tutorial I watched on YouTube talked about putting point lights on each side of the face like this: And it sobers him up. That would be cool if there was a sober button for driving: Makes a big difference, but sometimes I want low light and the same look.
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VRTeacher
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VRTeacher
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[quote]Data Juggler (8/9/2020) Lights make all the difference.
I don't think that's true. The skin tone of the first picture (CC without any point light) looks even lighter/brighter than that of your iClone picture (with two point lights). I believe that the skin tone of the same character should be maintained across CC and iClone when the same lighting is applied. For example, when you add only ambient light in both CC and iClone, you're supposed to get the same skin tone. But clearly that's not the case. And I don't understand the discrepancy. When you design the skin tone of a character in CC you should be able to predict the skin tone in iClone, but you are not, which I think amounts to a serious bug.
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Data Juggler
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Data Juggler
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You could sum it up as Character Creator is a campaign promise, and IClone is the actual results.
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VRTeacher
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VRTeacher
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Data Juggler (8/9/2020) You could sum it up as Character Creator is a campaign promise, and IClone is the actual results.So you agree that the skin tone is problematic. How come I don't see any post pointing out this problem? I couldn't have been the first to notice the problem.
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Data Juggler
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I notice some difference, but CC 3 characters look so much better today than they did a couple of years ago when I first bought this, so I am happy things are going in the right direction.
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Below is the "SkinGen_Skin" Project from CC 3.3: The same Project in iClone 7.8: You can get the same results between the 2, but it won't always be desirable to have the same lighting conditions in an animated scene that is used in a static character scene.
Gerry
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animagic
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VRTeacher (8/9/2020)
Data Juggler (8/9/2020) You could sum it up as Character Creator is a campaign promise, and IClone is the actual results.So you agree that the skin tone is problematic. How come I don't see any post pointing out this problem? I couldn't have been the first to notice the problem. As I clearly demonstrated above, you can get the same results in iClone. Gerry shows that as well. So why do you ignore these posts and continue to state your non-issue?
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VRTeacher
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VRTeacher
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As I clearly demonstrated above, you can get the same results in iClone. Gerry shows that as well.
So why do you ignore these posts and continue to state your non-issue? What's in it for me if I state my "non-issue"? I may be ignorant (since I'm new and all), but I don't remember ignoring anything. I don't quite agree that you "clearly demonstrated above" that you can get the same results in iClone. You yourself said "iClone renders a bit darker" even under the same lighting condition, didn't you? Now, I just saw Gerry's post. That's fantastic if that means you get exactly the same skin tone under exactly the same lighting condition across CC and iClone. But the other three (you, Data Juggler, and I) failed to achieve that. So I honestly don't understand how Gerry was able to make that happen, but not the other three. When you set up the same lighting condition in iClone, I don't know how to exactly locate each and every light in exactly the same location and at exactly the same angle (like Gerry apparently did), so I removed all the existing lights from CC and iClone. In CC, somehow you can still see the character even after removing all the lights. But in iClone, the character is solid black so you can't see any thing except its outline. And when you turn on only auxiliary light, the iClone character is clearly darker than the CC character. So I'm guessing the brighter tone in CC is due to the fact that there's still some light in CC even when you turned off all the lights. Am I wrong about this?
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