@Johnny
No no no, sw00000p is not a sh*t-stirrer, he's just a sw00000p :w00t:

In all honesty, I love our conversations, and the funniest thing of all is that no matter how things turn out, I cannot lose, and he hasn't figured-out why yet.  Sw00000p loves to make out like I'm a talentless wannabe animator, who can't even rig a pair of boobies in Blender.  Whether this be true or not, I've found that sw00000p will still have his own mental picture of the situation and go with that regardless.  No here's the funny part ... cause let's say iClone 7 had arrived and I'd finally got around to making a movie with it, and I put it up in the Showcase Forum on here.  It might blow sw00000p's mind by how good it is.  But then again, if you consider the sort of questions I've asked on here over time, I'm probably even worse than he thinks I am - I could be laughably bad and just playing a game with him, pretending to be able to produce something cool.

And here's the thing ... if it turns out I'm laughably bad, I'm guaranteed to enjoy sw00000p's opinion anyway cause maybe I don't care about being a talentless animator :D
So I could be, or I could not be, and that's why it's amusing, because sw00000p seems to think it matters to me either way ... :D

OMG ... sw00000p ... how many more times ... all that bouncing stuff is done  BEFORE  the actual moviemaking gets started in iClone!
Surely you must know what "BEFORE" means :blink:

No, I won't bounce between programs, and again, this was already explained to you a few days back.  All of that making models and sculpting stuff gets done before I start, so it's barely different in that respect than going out and finding models and morphs for a movie project, before starting work on it.  The only difference is I'm not buying them before I start, I'm making them before I start.

Please, tell my you grasp it this time, sw00000p :Whistling:
You're an "Industry Standard Professional" now, remember, so this stuff ought to be be dead easy for someone "LIKE YOU" to grasp!

- Any other thoughts?
- Do you enjoy being proved wrong all the time?
- Is the sky blue today where you are?

I gots some sunshine :w00t::w00t::w00t:

Has anyone else noticed it is like a poorly animated version of The Bold and the Beautiful here? You can disappear for months, return and just take off where you left off. Rare for me to criticize Reallusion and if I take every app on my PC's as far as progress goes RL are flying ahead with each update and new version. That said if the iClone side of their wares is the main 3D animation hub and given the intended improvements in the render engine then the curve editor should really be part of the main software so it is a bit of a curly one. Maybe another feature to be added to the pipeline as a sweetener would have been a better option but that is just my opinion. Just like iC5 and 6 I will have to go with the pipeline but it would be nice to be able to use iClone 7 and your 3DXChange to you know, animate and render in house. 

is there any word on the CT9? or at least where does CT8 fit in here I had to go pipeline with that too. 

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No if about it sw00000p, it's true, and it's not a contradiction, I can assure you sir it is a perfectly normal thing to have both installed :ermm:
I already told you, I use Blender as my modeler and sculpting program, making models, sculpting morphs, we had this conversation just a few days back!




No, it's because someone in charge at "Industry Standard" headquarters has never implemented mouse recorded animation.  If they had, the industry standard "Professionals" would find themselves only reaching for a Curve Editor to tweak, not to animate.  This is because they would find the mouse a much better instrument for inputting motion, and guess why, it's cause a mouse is designed to read movement!

I'd have thought you'd learnt your lesson by now regards all that "Industry Standard" crap you keep talking.  You need to understand that something being "Industry Standard" does not mean it's the best, but you donlt seem to be able to grasp that.  Aren't you forgetting that the whole 3D industry now has to deal with implementing "Y-is-UP" controls, just because some "Industry Standard" manipulator thought it would be wise to go against a world-wide taught and accepted axis system.  Y is up, no matter what "Industry Standard" Maya users think.

The only reason you think like you do is because you've paid for "Industry Standard" training, you got taught the same way everyone else got taught (even though it's not the best way to animate).  So I tell you what, sw00000p, you stick to "Industry Standard" brainwashing, and I'll stick to pumeco standard, which is much more productive ;)




Oh really, well try kidding yourself of that if we ever do get mouse smoothing and a way to record each pass in a seperate layer!
Please, do let me know how you get on when you compare it :laugh::laugh::laugh:

sw00000p, you can't keep using that same tactic of saying I can't use Blender, just to get around what was written :doze:
What you keep saying there just isn't true, as was explained time and time again!

The only reason I'm not going to use Blender with iClone for animation purposes is because I don't like jumping between programs :Wow:
If I were intending to animate in Blender, I'd be using Blender's super-poweful animation toolset!

@Roberto
I hope RL make as much functionality available as possible to those of you who can program this stuff, and it sounds like there's two options for coding custom stuff cause there's that API thing you mention and there's a Custom Shader feature as well.  I'd love to be able to program Custom Shaders but I recall when I looked into it before, it was very math heavy and I hate math!

And if you saw my programming skills, you'll understand that the last time I tried it was on the good old Commodore 64 :

10 PRINT "Hello there,"
20 PRINT "Peasant Master!"
30 GOTO 10
RUN

Ah ... crap ... this must be one of those "loops" they warned me about ... :Wow:



@sw00000p
You seem to be forgetting something VERY important here, I said iClone does not have this.
They have added this feature to 3DXchange Pipeline, not iClone :Wow:

And either way, it is no excuse for not having that other stuff!

My thinking on tools to improve the editing stage of the animation: everything depends on what the IC7 API I/F allows us to do.
Imagine the most powerful scenario where:

1. the API I/F makes it possible to "touch", in real-time (i.e. modification are immediately applied), every animation parameters (i.e. X/Y/Z for translation, rotation, etc.).
2. the API I/F makes it possible to build a real-time GUI

Then, every prospective to see this or that ever-dreamt tool might become real.
I am quite curious about how much can we do with the IC7 APIs 

  Roberto




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@Rampa
Yup, I plan a very thorough play'n'pause session on that video today, see what else there is, see what I've missed.

Will have to play with your suggestions for mouse smoothing, but we shouldn't have to do that, the feature should have been there over a decade ago now.  Anyway, if you hear a lot of shouting and screaming later today, don't worry, it just means I've spotted smoothing controls for the mouse while examining the video :D


@Dennis
Totally agree, and to be honest I'm beginning to think what Job said about typos could well be the case here.  Before, we had a version of iClone that didn't have timeline features, but that version has gone now so maybe they intended to do the same sort of thing with the Curve Edtor, as in only the most basic version of iClone doesn't have it.  Not only that, I've always assumed "Pipeline" is so-called due to it's nature of being able to sit in a Pipeline due to it's extra export features.  That makes perfect sense, but a Curve Editor has everything to do with animation (and therefore iClone), and nothing at all to do with a Pipeline.

A Curve Editor is certainly "misplaced" being Pipeline only as you put it.


@sw00000p
Not all dedicated animation software does, and that is our point, because iClone doesn't.  It shoves everything into one track as Marc pointed out, and it does the same when recording each pass using the motion and mouse tools.  It's great being able to record one pass at a time, but it's severely limited by the fact that it does not record to separate layers while doing that.  Stop making excuses, it's ridiculous, and it's not like it would be rocket science to implement, either.  All they need to do is make it record to a seperate track each time, as long as you've enabled multi-layer recording.  Technically, it would still work the same as it does now, it's still recording to a track (only it automatically creates a new track to record to this time).  That's the only difference, so I don't see the point in keeping this insanely powerful and easy to implement feature from us.  The feature not being there, just like no mouse smooting, is incomprehensibly ridiculous for a product such as this.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not being mean, and I will buy iClone anyway if I can, they've even given it the Anamorphic abilities I was desperately hoping for and I'm incredibly grateful to them for that, so I want to support them.  To implement something like Anamorphic abilities means they understood why it would be needed in a program like iClone (even though hardly anyone even knows what it is).  So it just makes it all the more puzzling why mouse smoothing and recording to seperate tracks weren't already implemented years ago, because they're incredibly important and obviously needed in iClone due to it's design and the way it works!

It's as crazy as haivng a car with a steering wheel that cannot be steered to go where you want it to :Wow:

:rolleyes: whatever. I'll just let it go.

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