Profile Picture

DRM TAKEOVER

Posted By VirtualMedia 10 Years Ago
You don't have permission to rate!
1
2
3
4

Author
Message
Peter (RL)
Peter (RL)
Posted 10 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Distinguished Member

Distinguished Member (124.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (124.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (124.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (124.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (124.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (124.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (124.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (124.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (124.4K reputation)

Group: Administrators
Last Active: 2 Years Ago
Posts: 23.1K, Visits: 36.6K
rampart (2/3/2016)

I would appreciate to know just what I can or cannot do
Will the RL CC be a finalized tool that will allow us to create characters with clothing so we can produce copyright characters, if we need them?    


With regards to video, the EULA states the following:-

"Reallusion grants you a non-exclusive, worldwide, Royalty-Free license to display Content within your iClone and/or CrazyTalk and/or CrazyTalk Animator movies. You may generate, sell and redistribute your movies created with iClone and/or CrazyTalk and/or CrazyTalk Animator with full ownership and use-rights to the output media in Image or Video format within the output guidelines of this agreement."

So this means simply that you own the movie and have full usage rights commercially. However the license remains non-exclusive because your video will contain iClone content and that obviously can't be exclusively yours.


                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com


animagic
animagic
Posted 10 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Distinguished Member

Distinguished Member (33.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (33.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (33.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (33.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (33.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (33.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (33.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (33.4K reputation)Distinguished Member (33.4K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: Last Month
Posts: 15.8K, Visits: 31.4K
There is no need for all this drama. If you buy content then the prerequisites are stated as to what is needed to make it work. This has been like this for years. The issue put forward by the OP is something different altogether.


https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/436b0ffd-1242-44d6-a876-d631.jpg

rampart
rampart
Posted 10 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Distinguished Member

Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 8 Years Ago
Posts: 1.4K, Visits: 5.1K
The solution to DRM problems.  All developers that sell stuff should be required to LOUDLY tell buyers their content requires DRM content items.
Developers should not be allowed to sell in the stores unless limitations for use of the content are disclosed LOUDLY.
Something like this...
https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/f2c839eb-a8f5-475a-8bb0-b17c.jpg




urbanlamb
urbanlamb
Posted 10 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Distinguished Member

Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 2 Years Ago
Posts: 1.2K, Visits: 3.5K
I am not really a huge seller I just put a few things up I make for my movies that others might want and most stuff I give away lol.  I am assuming it is profitable for many lol.  I guess it would depend on what you make and if people need it and whatnot.    

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself in any direction you choose. You're on your own, and you know what you know. And you are the guy who'll decide where to go."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Dr. Seuss

VirtualMedia
VirtualMedia
Posted 10 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Distinguished Member

Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 2 Years Ago
Posts: 557, Visits: 19.0K

All bugs aside you should not encounter them unless its content you have not purchased the proper rights for (same with their software really but in this case its content that is your issue) 


Not necessarily, as I've posted earlier, issues arise when you don't have internet access or secure access such as a hotel or public wifi. I've been in a  number of situations when it would have been foolish to disable my security software just to validate for 137th time content I've paid for the rights to use.

Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way and should just start making content and putting it up in the Marketplace. What has your experience been selling content in the Marketplace? Is it profitable?



Virtual Media® / VTV® / The Virtual Entertainment Network...
http://VTVLive.com
urbanlamb
urbanlamb
Posted 10 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Distinguished Member

Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 2 Years Ago
Posts: 1.2K, Visits: 3.5K
VirtualMedia (2/4/2016)
I guess what concerns me is how RL is borderline militant on DRM. I own many software licenses however none of them come close to the enforcement of DRM requirements as RL does with their software / content.


The DRM is for content not software.  If you use content you have not paid for they will plaster it with watermarks.   This is not a bad thing.    If you dont want to run into this drm then dont use things like this in the software.  I have never had an issue with these watermarks because I never download something that might have a watermark unless its a trial then I expect a watermark.    However its easy to avoid this by simply using your own assets.  

They do plaster the iclone trial of software with a watermark which of course disappears if you purchase it.     They mark things so you cant use it without paying the creator its only fair.   In theory money is an invention of man, but until they dispense with it like they did in star trek we have to pay for things.    

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

Anyhow the way to remove these watermarks is to pay for the level of rights you desire.  

If its an movie using iclone you pay for the iclone license to use the assets/content
If its a movie/game whatever made outside of iclone you pay for an export license to use said content/assets.    

All bugs aside you should not encounter them unless its content you have not purchased the proper rights for (same with their software really but in this case its content that is your issue) 






~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself in any direction you choose. You're on your own, and you know what you know. And you are the guy who'll decide where to go."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Dr. Seuss

rampart
rampart
Posted 10 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Distinguished Member

Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)Distinguished Member (15.2K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 8 Years Ago
Posts: 1.4K, Visits: 5.1K
The fun part will be when one of the RL users really taps into something and makes real money or is damaged in some fashion.
All it takes is one lawsuit that drags out for four years across multiple jurisdictions and the lawyers' retainage and fees keep piling up every month.
Not only are lawsuits expensive, but they can be demoralizing....because they just go on and on....like it seems forever.





urbanlamb
urbanlamb
Posted 10 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Distinguished Member

Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)Distinguished Member (4.3K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 2 Years Ago
Posts: 1.2K, Visits: 3.5K
I dont know if i would do business with a company that I feel is breaking the law.  If people do feel strongly about it contact support for clarification and don't spend money.   I dont think I have ever signed an illegal contract and said "I will sue you later but take my money now" lol I just dont give them my money.   

There are indeed businesses I have either not done business with or terminated business with as a result of terms or policies or happenings i felt were not legal, but in the case of reallussion I went in eyes wide open probably because I have encountered issues before and in my case find their terms quite reasonable.   In fact they could refuse to allow the amount of adapting and derivatives of their content at all but instead let people use their stuff as a base to build new content on and make money from.     I think their terms are quite acceptable.   Although I rarely make derivative content and usually own all my own pixels when selling it.  I do find the character creator quite fun and probably will make a few silly characters to sell, but reallussion could prohibit me from selling them but instead say "hey sure put them up on the market place and if people buy em great here keep 60%"  or whatever it is .. i forget right now.   




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself in any direction you choose. You're on your own, and you know what you know. And you are the guy who'll decide where to go."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Dr. Seuss

planetstardragon
planetstardragon
Posted 10 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Distinguished Member

Distinguished Member (24.1K reputation)Distinguished Member (24.1K reputation)Distinguished Member (24.1K reputation)Distinguished Member (24.1K reputation)Distinguished Member (24.1K reputation)Distinguished Member (24.1K reputation)Distinguished Member (24.1K reputation)Distinguished Member (24.1K reputation)Distinguished Member (24.1K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: Last Year
Posts: 11.5K, Visits: 46.0K
look,  when you make enough money doing anything,  you will have a lawsuit from someone that believes their are entitled to a share of your money.  I've seen this many, many times.....you have people that make a career out of suing,  others that make careers out of stealing,  and others that make careers out of price gouging.    -  the rest are the monkeys in the middle giving them money to sue each other :p

I've seen enough to feel nauseous at will! lol


☯🐉
"To define Tao is to defile it" - Lao Tzu

VirtualMedia
VirtualMedia
Posted 10 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Distinguished Member

Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)Distinguished Member (13.7K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 2 Years Ago
Posts: 557, Visits: 19.0K
I guess what concerns me is how RL is borderline militant on DRM. I own many software licenses however none of them come close to the enforcement of DRM requirements as RL does with their software / content.


Virtual Media® / VTV® / The Virtual Entertainment Network...
http://VTVLive.com

1
2
3
4



Reading This Topic