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LogicalWarrior
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LogicalWarrior
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Regarding Zancoisrice's point, there is a very significant difference between even the hardest/tomboyish based female movements versus a male's masculine movements. In your video example, you will see that all the women still have a highly noticeable difference in their movements than that of their male counterparts.
There will always be a specific graceful movement in a woman's body motions than that of a man. Men were made to be masculine, as women were made to be feminine. So, it doesn't matter what the situation is, (just to make a solid point ONLY) whether it's a man trying to portray a woman, or vice versa, neither will ever actually do it accordingly because they were not made to be that particular sex. It is what it is. If you are a man, you will be that forever in every which way possible. If you are a woman, then you will be that forever in every which way possible, no ifs ands or buts. It will display in your movements globally.
That being said, I do agree with the request to make more female based movements. If there is going to be a motion pack delivered moving forward (ie: Rifle Combat Combo Motions Pack), there should be a woman's version added along in that same pack.
DISCLAIMER: This was not to offend anyone that is identifying to be whatever. It was strictly to just make the point in regards to differentiating gender based movements. I apologize ahead of time if my words came across the wrong way.
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LogicalWarrior
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LogicalWarrior
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@Nirwana,
One simple phrase to solve this puzzle...Production time saver.
There you have it! It's much faster (and easier IMO) to just drop a motion in there and slightly adjust it to fit your needs, then keep it moving than to go through the whole process yourself. You're paying all this money for the software and content anyway, so why not ask for that? Do we have to pay someone else for the software, and yet still do everything on our own? That be the case, forget Reallusion software...just strap on a suit, and get the FREE UE5/Blender program(s) then do it yourself, or better yet, why don't we just create our own animation program then? 😁
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AutoDidact
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AutoDidact
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I agree completely that there are clear BIOLOGICAL differences between men and women and they are evident in everything they do. It is a terrible shame that this is now a controversial thing to say in the current “culture” and would get me
Dog piled or even banned from many online spaces just for saying it.. On the matter of female version of commercial combat motions I still maintain that the merchants here will likely to continue to make them gender neutral at best But this is the larger problem with becoming dependent on canned mocap libraries in the first place. Right now I can nearly always spot an iclone motion clip or a Mixamo one from KILOMETER away.
The OP is asking for specificity from a canned mass production mocap market that works on volume. (Actorcore)
yet still do everything on our own? That be the case, forget Reallusion software...just strap on a suit, and get the FREE UE5/Blender program(s) then do it yourself,
Well if you study the science of “gait analysis” (the way people walk) you will find that there are clear differences between the way young urban black males walk compared to whites, asians, and hispanics and you get even more variety when you move to the middle aged demographics. There are ZERO walking motions in the Actorcore libraries that you could claim are of a young urban Black male walking.
So yes your only option, in this case, is recording you own or spend the time editing generic mass market imotion clips to get the style you need I am not here crying “racism” or any such nonsense. just stating a fact that when you stay within any 3D Character animation ecosystem you will be limited to what that eco system offers in canned generic content. This is true for Daz studio users ..and even Blender, Maya or C4D user to a certain extent.
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LogicalWarrior
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LogicalWarrior
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"Well if you study the science of “gate analysis” (the way people walk) you will find that there are clear differences between the way young urban black males walk compared to whites, asians, and hispanics and you get even more variety when you move to the middle aged demographics. There are ZERO walking motions in the Actorcore libraries that you could claim are of a young urban Black male walking."
(just making a point ONLY) I couldn't agree with you more, on every point that you have expressed. For this reason, I wish I did have a suit of my own to authenticate certain movements to represent as such, (admittingly being of Black culture). Outside of motion packs, I've already mentioned even about the creation of certain urban hairstyles that still has yet to be seen in either the marketplace, or content store, and I've been around since the beginning of the new gen style (iC6/CC1). Seems as if our particular race is the last to be considered when it comes to any form of artistic content. There has to be a massive request, or concern, brought out in order for it to really be considered/implemented. I'm still waiting on a specified style of urban braided hair and cuts that has yet to be made. LOL 🤣
"It is a terrible shame that this is now a controversial thing to say in the current “culture” and would get me
Dog piled or even banned from many online spaces just for saying it.."
That's the sad twist of the world today as we live in it unfortunately, but it's how this era is now ran, so these are the rules we have to follow. Whatever we can do to keep from certain "controversial" conflict(s) coming our way, we do, right? LOL 😁 DISCLAIMER: This was NOT a racial profiling conversation. Please do not take it as such. Thank you!
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zancoisrice
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zancoisrice
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AutoDidact (3/25/2024)
There are ZERO walking motions in the Actorcore libraries that you could claim are of a young urban Black male walking This is another issue in itself... Just gonna be happy with what we have for now. If the makers of the Mocap don't feel it's relevant to their libraries that's their prerogative. They own the software. This is a wide-open door for a competitor....
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LogicalWarrior (3/25/2024)
@Nirwana,
One simple phrase to solve this puzzle...Production time saver.
There you have it! It's much faster (and easier IMO) to just drop a motion in there and slightly adjust it to fit your needs, then keep it moving than to go through the whole process yourself. You're paying all this money for the software and content anyway, so why not ask for that? Do we have to pay someone else for the software, and yet still do everything on our own? That be the case, forget Reallusion software...just strap on a suit, and get the FREE UE5/Blender program(s) then do it yourself, or better yet, why don't we just create our own animation program then? 😁Thank you!! Someone finally gets it. Can't believe it took all this to explain the natural difference between the 2 sexes.
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animagic
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animagic
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Strapping on a suit won't help me unless I want an old man's gait...:unsure:
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Nirwana
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One simple phrase to solve this puzzle...Production time saver.
There you have it! It's much faster (and easier IMO) to just drop a motion in there and slightly adjust it to fit your needs, then keep it moving than to go through the whole process yourself. You're paying all this money for the software and content anyway, so why not ask for that?
Well, yeah, of course it would save production time/make things easier.
And, sure, you can "ask". But, and that is my point, if you want something that the market is not offering (presumably for economic reasons) is it reasonable to expect companies (be it Reallusion or somebody else) to spend money on it if there is apparently little expectation (I'm guessing) of making it back just because you purchased their software? If the market does not offer what you want and you have the capabilities to create it yourself, then why not do it? And if there actually is an untapped demand for something like gender-specific (combat/action) motions, you can make a bundle.
There are, after all, other gender-specific motions already available on the RL platforms.
My YouTube channel: Animations made with Cinema 4D and Reallusion Products
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AutoDidact
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AutoDidact
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If the market does not offer what you want and you have the capabilities to create it yourself, then why not do it?. I learned how to model and rig my own Characters and props for this very reason I know people will say “I don’t have time to learn to do this or that “ fair enough, but again limited choices are the reality of relying upon an ecosystem of prefabbed content. you either “make do” what they are mass producing for a general user base make it (animate it) yourself or pay for someone to make you something $$$bespoke$$$. for your specific needs.
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ender570
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I would settle for the mocap series just not being so terribly overacted. Every single one feels like it's ripped from an early 3D JRPG...
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