i contacted realusion support to get some clarity on this section of the eula in the new licence 

(C) You may NOT use the Content in the following situations or applications:

1. In-app content purchase
2. In-app character generation
3. Character generation API licensing
4. As embedded content in the AP or online service
5. AI training/ deep learning
6. 3D Print for sell or for massive redistribution; or create mold for mass production

This application is too restrictive at this point.  I've been using Reallusion products for 15 yrs. since v.2 & have never missed an upgrade.  But given that they refuse to allow unrestricted use of their content unless videos or images & jacking the price up to crazy amounts for it, I'd rather just use Blender at this point.  It makes no sense to purchase their products anymore when it's basically the same price of Z-brush.  Reallusion needs to catch up with the times & the current XR metaverse trends, they advertise as such but don't honor what they advertise, if I create an avatar using my likeness who's going to own it?  Reallusion?  & if I create an avatar for a client what restrictions does Reallusion impose on my client for an avatar in his likeness?  The metaverse doesn't provide avatars for their world you import your own, only Meta does this because in all actuality it's a closed platform just like Reallusion is basically is unless embedded in a game, this is great for large teams but for solo indies, this isn't sustainable to recoup spending costs of production.  The metaverse is open, not closed, legacy corp is closed & everybody is moving away from closed ecosystems because of the artist robbery that it entails.  Legacy business models are done & so is RL if they keep advertising as a tool, but is restricting what an artist can do with the tool.

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If I understood it correctly, the 3D topology, the design of the pre-made bone system, pre-made textures, pre-made UV-maps of the models is Reallusions intellectual property so they can decide what you can do with it or not.

You "just" need to remodel the topology, create your own bones, textures, UV-maps, then its your own 3D model and you should be able to do whatever you want with it.

I think Reallusion just don't want certain users to pay once for a character and then create avatars like on an assembly line and sell them for a lot of money and Reallusion never sees some money from it even if they did most of the work.

all of that is easy to live with but its not the case.
I purchased all of my content on the export license with 3d exchange.  They changed the license.
i have mass distribution license's but those apparently no longer count as they changed the license



now they gave me an upgrade on all my products to the new license type.  All of this to make the licence process easier and it says commercial or mass distribution for games.
but if i buy a new product then it will cost me 3 times the price of a standard license that is just a choice we all have to make and is transparent.

Hidden away in the EULA is a 3rd license type.

almost all games have some form of char generation within them male female select mage, or warrior so forth reallusion says this requires the enterprise license costing even more money but these licenses did not exist when I purchased my products so why do I need to pay again not to mention how will I remember what I got when if I now purchase more content.

on top of this most games have some form of in-game shop that guy you walk up to and purchase your nice new helmet with in-game currency reallusion now say this is an in-app purchase of a product and would also require an enterprise license again at extra cost.

so now every single person that has a product from me even with a mass distribution license and the new free extended license can not use those products in their games unless i purchase them an enterprise license for an undisclosed fee that reallusion will not give me an estimate on.  And for an indie now they need to purchase a new enterprise license the whole system got worse for game devs not better 

It's important to remember that there is a difference between selecting different characters in game and a character generator. For example, you could export from CC4 a male, female or different classes of characters and allow the user to select which character to use in game. This would not be classed as a character generator and would be covered by the Extended License.

A character creation system in game would be something that allows you to select different parts like eyes, mouth, nose, skin color or use sliders to adjust body size etc. This type of character generator would not be covered by the Extended License, and you would need to discuss further with us regarding an Enterprise License which are issued on a case-by-case basis.


                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com

you made a very good point we generate nothing in a game we select everything 
as we do not generate then no enterprise license is needed thank you 

This approach might work if you have just a handfull of characters or very basic classes. If you want to implement a simple customize screen like this:



then you would have to generate 3 ^ 5 x 2 = 486 characters which would require about 48 gb of diskspace ...

but your not generating a mesh you are altering or selecting 
Morph sliders only move the vertex so there is no generation involved 
you are then saving those selections to use within your game but no generation was ever done in the game 

^^ This is actually a good point, lowjohn7!! :) And from a technical POV you are totally right... nothing is generated, its all just switching and combining of already generated data ...

just make sure to call your in-game char selection a char selector not a generator as calling it a generator would make it very difficult for you to argue it was not one.