Only slightly related to this topic, but I have a program called Shirt Maker, that uses random numbers and draws hundreds of textures by drawing gradients and slicing them together.

The program is kind of slow, and I didn't write any CUDA code at all, but if I start Character Creator, the program speeds up by 3 to 5 times faster.

Somehow CC activates my RTX 3090, and / or gets my CPU into turbo mode. I discovered it by accident just starting CC and noticed it went from 1 or 2 images a minute to 5 to 10.

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Hello, your computer's ability to handle scenes is determined by the total build, not just the graphics card.

• Uncertain whether you also upgraded RAM as in more or faster (determined by your motherboard).
• Uncertain whether you upgraded storage to M2 or NVMe
• Uncertain whether you upgraded motherboard to  PCIe 4.0, which facilitates storage to operate faster by a power of 10.

Nathan

thank you for your advice. 

vidius

this is the one I've been using, https://www.wisecleaner.com/wise-memory-optimizer.html  with mixed results -  sometimes when I multi task -  different programs have different reactions to the memory optimizing -  like my browser will act up -  other times when i'm just using iclone and cc3,  and I see a big increase in performance   So,  while this may not be the perfect solution,  it seems to be heading in the right direction

and the usual formal disclaimer -  i always test different stuff and put my system through major drama -  this is just a test to find ways to improve iclone performance,  not a solution. While I have seen some improvements,  I'm still not sure of any adverse effects it may have on any other given software -  so use at your own risk.

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interesting.. very interesting. may i ask what memory optimizer you use? or is there one you can recommend? 

vidius

i believe it's related to poor memory management -  reason -  I see big iclone improvements when I use a memory optimizer that regularly clears 1+ gig of ram when optimizing iclone on the fly.  What I suspect is happening is that iclone bursts an unlimited amount of data - it's a scaling problem so when you get a faster card / system it will flood your ram even harder -  so there really is no such thing as a perfect iclone system  if Iclone sends out massive bursts of data that only become more massive when the gear is upgraded.     I told another user about this who did a test swapping their old vid card and a new one -  the older video card actually had more fps than the newer one - meaning that iclone adapted it's output capacity based on the system power.  - so more powerful system,  larger iclone data burst,  lower fps.

iclone 7 needs to be regulated by some 3rd party approach to stop it from flooding the system buffers.

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I waited for Alder Lake 19-12900K with an RTX 3090, and my poker room scene still bogs with 6 characters or more than 5 tables. That is with combing the chips in the chip rack.

I look forward to IClone 8 where the preview video they showed mentions non-animated objects can be static and use a lot less memory.

I exported my poker room to Omniverse, and I was able to add a bunch more tables. I can't export my characters for some reason yet, so I can't test that.

12 Tables isn't a problem for Omniverse, so hopefully IClone has some improvements in the near future.



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I continue to learn from Kellytoons! I had never heard of Anima (axyz-design.com) before! For my crowd scenes I would render short videos of low LOD characters on a transparent background and then play those videos on planes behind the main characters. Here is an example of it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iwilbkFG70M&t=4m18s.

This technique also works for bottles on shelves, etc.

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I haven't actually tested this out - in the past, prior to my 3090, the max characters practical for iClone was about 3-4 (depending on the details).  4 or more was troublesome and after 5 you were just asking for trouble (I had one scene with 6 characters that would crash whenever I tried saving it, although I could render it just fine).  But I have not tested whether the 3090 allows you to work with more.

My gut tells me that it depends on the way the characters are constructed.  If you have, say, 5 "raw" characters (without clothing or accessories) then it *should* be fine as the 3090 will have the memory needed to handle things.  But props is still the biggest problem - more than a dozen can't be handled by ANY GPU (and it has nothing to do with your CPU or other computer characteristics - this problem with props is an iClone issue, not a computer specs issue.  It has been both proven and acknowledged by the devs - if you have a lot of props you will bring ANY system down to its knees, but if you combine them all into one all will then be well, independent of RAM load).

I guess I could experiment and find out - I rarely have more than a couple of main characters and if I'm going to have a lot more they invariably end up as background characters (where I use things like Anima to fake - there you can have hundreds without issues with some care).  But you can also test yourself - if you have a bare scene, devoid of props, just start loading your characters in one by one until it becomes unworkable.  Then you'll know your limit and adjusts your workflow accordingly.

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Kindly mention your CPU and RAM ?