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A Thank You and Making Characters Unique and Different in CC3/Iclone

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A Thank You and Making Characters Unique and Different in CC3/Iclone

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I agree with Job that the OP should really consider purchasing the $200
USD the headshot plugin to get away from the obvious default "CC3 girl" look to his female characters.
 



Uhh... I have headshot and mentioned it as essential in the OP.




 Then perhaps try for more variety  in your source photos... just a  suggestion:)


Wow... There is really no need to get cranky. I pointedly didn't use source photos for these. I did use a number of the headshot morphs. I think much  would be cleared up by reading my post.

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Not getting cranky .

I see others getting much more variety with headshot so it has to be  matter of the source photos.


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Not getting cranky .

I see others getting much more variety with headshot so it has to be  matter of the source photos.


I didn't use source photos.  I used headshot sliders only.  All three of those avatars are purely made in CC with no outside importing.  That was the entire point of the post.  If I wanted to use headshot to make Thanos, I am certain I could do it and then export to Blender to incorporate the finer details before re-importing.


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I ask why you have paid for a plugin specifically designed
to create highly diverse Avatars and even passable Digital doubles of real people
and limited yourself to only using morph sliders?


Seems counter intuitive and you certainly would not create Thanos
with those extremely limited morph sliders alone so
Why not get your hard earned moneys worth out of a plugin that
cost more than the base version of Iclone  itself??



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93% of original size (was 540x16) - Click to enlargehttps://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/adf9b210-df59-4cb6-aa1b-9de5.jpg
My Sci- Fi Graphic Novel on Amazon: https://a.co/d/9k3cwoY


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I ask why you have paid for a plugin specifically designed
to create highly diverse Avatars and even passable Digital doubles of real people
and limited yourself to only using morph sliders?


Seems counter intuitive and you certainly would not create Thanos
with those extremely limited morph sliders alone so
Why not get your hard earned moneys worth out of a plugin that
cost more than the base version of Iclone  itself??


May I ask you a couple of questions?

1.  Which of my images "looks obviously like a base CC3+ character," and which base character?  I think that's rather unkind, but perhaps I am just not seeing something. Could you post the base character next to one of my women and tell me how they look alike?

2. If you read my post you will see why I didn't use source photos.  How was I unclear?

3.  Could you please actually read my responses?  For example, if I were going to make Thanos, I would need to use Blender to put in the finer details. What was unclear when I said that?

I simply don't understand where you are coming from. It's like you are trying to troll at this point.  There's really no reason for it.


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The default CC3 girl in the middle with the  basic
preveiw render engine in CC3 .

Identical twins/triplets?...absolutely not!!


However Clearly from the same  northern European gene pool
could  pass for sisters
or first cousins...? yes that is my subjective opinion.


Nothing wrong with having a preference( I certainly Do).
But of the  DAZ women I posted, the two brunettes could be anything from Armenian to Italian to latina or Arab,93% of original size (was 540x16) - Click to enlargehttps://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/9c33ab24-b4d7-4173-bafb-be41.jpg
and the redhead could easily be an Irish,scottish or Welsh Character
I  am not seeing this type of Diversity from people  without using the headshot plugin to its full potential.

I  have read that the CC4 Avatars have more diversity built
 in,for those who are upgrading.


BTW  the Thanos Blender screenshot is a straight export from CC3 Pipeline
tool with no "detailing" beyond adjusting the Subsurface skin settings in the blender pipeline addon panel, to look better in  My preferred render engine of EEVEE.  



RAG DOLL COLLISION ANIMATIONS FOR ICLONE 8 & 7
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Ghost Origins
My latest Feature length film created with Iclone.
93% of original size (was 540x16) - Click to enlargehttps://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/adf9b210-df59-4cb6-aa1b-9de5.jpg
My Sci- Fi Graphic Novel on Amazon: https://a.co/d/9k3cwoY


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The default CC3 girl in the middle with the  basic
preveiw render engine in CC3 .
Identical twins/triplets?...absolutely not!!

However Clearly from the same  northern European gene pool
could  pass for sisters or first cousins...? yes that is my subjective opinion.
Nothing wrong with having a preference( I certainly Do).
But of the  DAZ women I posted, the two brunettes could be anything from Armenian to Italian to latina or Arab,
and the redhead could easily be an Irish,scottish or Welsh Character
I  am not seeing this type of Diversity from people  without using the headshot plugin to its full potential.

I  have read that the CC4 Avatars have more diversity built
 in,for those who are upgrading.



Seriously?  I mean seriously?  Do you think that people on a CC forum don't know what the base avatars look like?   I appriciate that you took some time in CC to try to make a base avatar look a little like one of mine, but the whole point of the OP was to make characters who look radically different from the base using CC!  To produce the image you presented that quickly, you probably used head shot on my image - which ironically, by cheating like that, only proves my point.

As to gene pools and diversity, it's interesting that you fail to mention that the first character is clearly mostly of Latin heratige with a few Aisian features - as she is described in my book.

Further, you are correct that the blonde looks Northern European.  I  was inspired by a woman I know whose ancestors came from Northern France.  Getting her grey eyes right took some time. The redhead does not look Scottish or Welsh at all, though I do not understand why people descended from Western Celts or Normans wouldn't count as their own ethnic groups in anycase.  She was originally inspired by someone I know who is of Russian Jewish descent.  Look at their cheek bones, brows, eyes and noses.

Do you have some bias against white people? Is it possible you think they look the same? From some of your ascerbic comments on this and other threads, it begins to appear that way and it is tiresome.

As to making diverse characters using CC, I will remind you of some other images I posted. These were also made entirely in CC using skin gen and a little GIMP to tweak the textures.  So no, if you actually take the time to get good at using CC, you can make anyone.  I suggest you stop using headshop as a crutch and learn to make characters from scratch using the tool.

This lady is also inspired by someone I know.  She's a very brilliant mathematician.

93% of original size (was 540x16) - Click to enlargehttps://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/1380ba87-9670-400e-9de8-a425.png

If you look at the two Asian women below, it is clear that one is striaght up Han Chinese and the other isn't.  And yes, I used the first one as the basis to make the second.  I was particularly interested in exploring the different ethnic features in the eyes and foreheads and cheeks and jawline.  Their noses are essentially the same.

93% of original size (was 540x16) - Click to enlargehttps://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/30104258-a660-4a73-bacb-c473.png
93% of original size (was 540x16) - Click to enlargehttps://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/0788489d-7be3-4466-8c23-d57f.png

Feel free to post whatever else you want but I really am tired of this. 






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