Reallusion made me agree to something the other day when I tried to upload a prop, stating I can only upload stuff I create.

I wrote them for clarification, because I have this chess set:
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I created the board, but I got the pieces free at 3DSky.org, you get 3 free props per day, no affiliation. I just styled and renamed them.

So, I said fine, I will just put the prop on my site:

[Link Removed By Moderator] in case anyone wants it.

Then support wrote back and said .iprops can only be exchanged on the Marketplace, or the Content Store.

This will not hold up in court, and I paid for the Pipeline edition, so I can export everything. That would be like Microsoft saying you cannot export excel spreadsheets unless you get them in a Microsoft marketplace.

It is our software, we bought it, what we do outside of their marketplace, is none of their business.

In case this is my last post here, thanks to everyone that has been helpful.

Either they change the EULA, or Reallusion has gotten my last dollar.

Enjoy the chess set everyone before they take it down.










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I guess they don't allow you to use it with iprop extension., I took a look at the site you mentioned.
I don't think it's very healthy to use free content from here.
It doesn't give you a receipt for the files you download.
If there is a license issue in the future, how can you prove it?

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hehe,  Chill DJ  - firstly i'd hate for you to leave because you are undoubtedly one of the finer members of the forum, so you wouldn't be punishing RL ,  you'd be punishing me and the rest of us that appreciate you. :kiss:

- i think i get where they are coming from and what they are trying to do,  the RL proprietary formats can't be used in any other software other than iclone,  so they are simply preserving their rights to their proprietary formats before the rest of the internet decides to distribute their merch.  -  you could easily export to obj and fbx to circumvent such an issue.  I've been quietly just observing everything in an effort to understand where they are headed and they are simply trying to secure their revenue streams on their proprietary formats.  That's not a strike against you,  that's a safeguard on their current and future revenue streams so they can stay in business now that iclone is becoming more popular.   They are making mistakes too,  but this isn't one of them,  they are simply protecting their jobs.   

BTW,  why aren't you starting an NFT collection ?  with your web design skills - you'd make a sure mint    -   if you want me to show you what i mean,  DM me,  I can show u da wae!!  

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• My NFT    My Marketplace My Blog
  
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I think NFT's has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard of, next to people that think inventing digital bits as currency is valuable.

It's all a tulip (I am not bitter at the fact I sold my 2.25 bitcoins at $375, when I bought them at $650. I learned my lesson early.

If Person A and Person B both purchase an Export license, sending files between each other is none of their business.

When you start exporting to Obj and FBX is where stuff can end up being pirated, so they should be happy it is staying as an iprop.


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PixelDatabase.Net
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you are looking at it all wrong tho.   they are pretty much playing a private poker game,....art has nothing to do with it, and yes it's designed to be dumb. lol

all you need to do is build a website that can generate 10k unique avatars based on any 1 theme.  cats, punks and apes already taken.  Then give away those images for free.    it's dumb if you don't understand what they are really doing,  but the art game has always been that way, they know what they are doing and it's annoying because it's actually overshadowing artists trying to sell art,  but again,  that's always been the art market. 

your feelings on this won't get you paid,  making 10k unique avatars in automated fashion that you give away for free will.

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"To define Tao is to defile it" - Lao Tzu

If you redistribute something you didn't create, even if it's free, via RL's website, they would be liable for possible copyright infringement. So I think that's the issue here. We have had discussions about that in the past.

PSD explained already about the .iProp format.

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I do not use any product (music, assets, pictures, etc.) for which receipt or license is not given, even if it is free. This could cause me trouble in the future when I least expect it.

We also receive invoices for products we receive free from RL.
It could also be that the reason RL does not allow iprop distribution is that when you purchase these assets from RL's own site it provides invoices to secure you and protect your licensed usage rights.

If it is distributed on the Internet, we will not be able to tell if it is a pirated or real product, and it may turn into garbage. Someone distributes a pirated iprop and you never know if it's pirated or not.

Also, there are many people trying to pirate this program, and I wouldn't want to do them a favor by distributing iprop.

For example, even if the product link you provided is free, I cannot use it because I cannot prove it. I also saw free links in the forum and I did not download any of them except the RL store.

Let's say I wrote a play and it started to sell for high amounts. I used a free asset in my game. Who can prevent the person who distributes this asset for free from later displaying malicious intent and seeking legal rights? I saw it on the site, it was free, I downloaded it, can I legally protect my right in this way?

UE, RL, Daz etc. Even if you get free assets from places, it adds them to your library. Most give you a receipt or invoice for these assets.
This is the safest way.


An off-topic information, just in case there are people who may not know about it;
I read it on another discussion site.
A youtube account with 4-5 thousand subscribers was canceled due to only one music copyright, and although the owner of the youtube account wanted to pay the license fee of this music, it was not accepted and lost his channel completely. Most licenses may not be retroactive. So even paying for the license later on may not be accepted.
It is entirely at the discretion of the product right owner.
I am very meticulous in this regard and you will not find any unlicensed or receiptless (paid or free) product in my archive.


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Getting cancelled form YouTube would be the best thing that ever happened to me.

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Hi Data Juggler

Just to confirm what others have already explained, you are not permitted to sell or share content in Reallusion's proprietary formats (.iProp, .iAvatar etc.) outside of the Reallusion Content Store or Marketplace.

Sadly this means I have had to remove your link for the chess set.

                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com