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stephane.grade
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stephane.grade
Posted 4 Years Ago
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The longer I deal with Reallusion and their marketing schemes, the more it reminds me of walking
into a car salesroom,. By the time you have made it past the promotions, special offers, what comes
extra and what comes standard, the part you can substract from your invoices and the extreme fine
print of the terms and conditions, you've forgotten exactly what car you wanted.
For example when I used to have to explain to to others that the curve editor in iclone was an addon
and not included in the base price, it sounded crazy even as I was explaining it. And now out of the
blue it is part of the base package, only you have to pay for it again!
An upgrade where you only get a 25% discount is of a similar order of complexity to explain to anyone.
Just my two cents !
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similarly
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similarly
Posted 4 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (11/8/2021)
similarly (11/7/2021)
I have a question on upgrade price: Will people who have 3dxchange get additional discounts on the upgrade price, seeing as how it is now integrated into the programs? Consider: 2021 Year End Treats | Reallusion| Product | Pre-sale Campaign | Regular Price | Upgrade Price | | CC4 | Spend $399+, Get CC4 for Free | $299 | $249 | | iC8 | Spend $699+, Get iC8 for Free | $599 | $499 | | CC4 + iC8 | Spend $799+, Get CC4+iC8 for Free | $699
(Value: $898) | $599 |
- iClone 8 ($599) : With partial 3DXchange Pipeline integration (Value $499) and Curve Editor (Value $149). Check out iClone 8 vs iClone 7
- Character Creator 4 ($299): With partial 3DXchange Pipeline integration (Value $499). Check out CC4 vs CC3
I have: iClone 7 (Regular Price: $199. Upgrade from iClone 6: $129) Character Creator 3 (Regular Price: $199. Upgrade from CC2: $129) 3dxchange Pipeline 7 (Regular Price: $499. Upgrade from 3xchange Pipeline 6: $299). Curve Editor Plugin for iClone 7 (Regular Price: $149. Member Price: $79). According to the chart above, if I have iClone 7 and CC3, the upgrade price is $599. However: iClone 7 and CC3 (Regular Price: $398. Upgrade from IC6 and CC2: $258) iClone 7, CC3, 3dxchange Pipeline 7, Curve Editor (Regular Price: $1046. Upgrade from previous versions: $636). So basically, if there is NO extra discount for people who previously bought 3dxchange or curve, then people who bought: iClone 7 and CC3 ONLY (paying $258-398) will pay the SAME upgrade price as those customers who bought: iCone 7, CC3, 3dxchange Pipeline 7 and curve editor ($636-$1046), and thereby paid 2x-3x as much! Yet, both parties will get the same products with the same functionalities, and the optional (expensive) plugins would count for nothing. Perhaps as a reward to loyal customers who paid more in the past, thereby supporting Reallusion and the development of these new products, Reallusion might consider additional discounts on the upgrade price. Something to sincerely think about. Thank you for the feedback. I have passed your points to the sales team for review and consideration. Hi, Peter! Out of curiosity, was there any response on this?As I pointed out, 3dxchange 7 pipeline cost more than CC3 and IC7 put together. 3dxchange functionality will now be integrated into CC4 and IC8. Wouldn't it make sense for reallusion to reward those customers who paid the extra big bucks for 3dxchange? I realize though, that it's not your decision. No hard feelings towards you either way. Just figured it wouldn't hurt to pursue it.
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Peter (RL)
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Peter (RL)
Posted 4 Years Ago
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similarly (12/8/2021)
Hi, Peter! Out of curiosity, was there any response on this?
As I pointed out, 3dxchange 7 pipeline cost more than CC3 and IC7 put together. 3dxchange functionality will now be integrated into CC4 and IC8. Wouldn't it make sense for reallusion to reward those customers who paid the extra big bucks for 3dxchange? I realize though, that it's not your decision. No hard feelings towards you either way. Just figured it wouldn't hurt to pursue it. Hi... Unfortunately I can't reveal anything at the moment but we will be making an announcement soon about this.
Peter
Forum Administrator www.reallusion.com
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similarly
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similarly
Posted 4 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (12/8/2021)
similarly (12/8/2021)
Hi, Peter! Out of curiosity, was there any response on this?
As I pointed out, 3dxchange 7 pipeline cost more than CC3 and IC7 put together. 3dxchange functionality will now be integrated into CC4 and IC8. Wouldn't it make sense for reallusion to reward those customers who paid the extra big bucks for 3dxchange? I realize though, that it's not your decision. No hard feelings towards you either way. Just figured it wouldn't hurt to pursue it. Hi... Unfortunately I can't reveal anything at the moment but we will be making an announcement soon about this. Thank you again, Peter! I'll wait patiently for any official announcements. I appreciate your time and your very prompt response.
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pennyminot
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pennyminot
Posted 4 Years Ago
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Makes perfect sense. Only problem is I've bought so much this year I'm not sure what else I need lol First world problems!
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pennyminot
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pennyminot
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It's a different model from Sunstance, Zbrush, CD4 and all the others for sure. Even though it may feel like we're being nickel and dimed, for me personally who spends around 20K a year on licensing, I appreciate the one and done nature of Reallusion. Because they don't force us to be on a monthly plan I totally get their pricing structure. But I hear what you're saying!
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facr73
Posted 4 Years Ago
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I decided to spend the amount needed for the free upgrade because I wanted some packages but I got others that I might wont be using them.
Well, let's see what Reallusion will come to old costumers... :-)
One positive aspect is the fact it's only a one time fee and that is really important to me. That's the reason I use RL and the free alternatives (Blender, Unreal, ...)
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Xodroc
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Xodroc
Posted 4 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (12/8/2021)
similarly (12/8/2021)
Hi, Peter! Out of curiosity, was there any response on this?
As I pointed out, 3dxchange 7 pipeline cost more than CC3 and IC7 put together. 3dxchange functionality will now be integrated into CC4 and IC8. Wouldn't it make sense for reallusion to reward those customers who paid the extra big bucks for 3dxchange? I realize though, that it's not your decision. No hard feelings towards you either way. Just figured it wouldn't hurt to pursue it. Hi... Unfortunately I can't reveal anything at the moment but we will be making an announcement soon about this. Think they'll answer before the promotion ends this year? Considering all the extra's I've bought over the years, these upgrade prices feel rather extreme. Seems like a good deal if you actually need content and can afford it, however I was just going to do enough for CC4, thinking IC7 Would not be incompatible.. Now I learn IC8 is required to use CC4 characters and that 3DXChange owners don't aren't getting any deals, unless the announcement says otherwise. Now I'm wondering if I should have just spent nothing and stuck with CC3.. What about these Scan Reality characters, are they going to be updated to CC4's format or are thing going to be outdated somehow when it comes IC8's new features? Requiring IC8 to use CC4 characters feels like a big hidden "GOTCHA". Thanks.
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yepkoo
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yepkoo
Posted 4 Years Ago
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I think iC8 will support CC3 characters.
But iC7 may not support CC4 characters.
I'm not sure, just guessing.
As you said, I don't think that a new promotion will start before this promotion ends. I really needed the content and I joined this campaign by pushing my budget very very very hard. For 3DXChange owners, a $99 gift is given if you qualify for new programs. I hope there will be a few more of these gifts.
After the promotion ends, even if the new promotion starts, no matter how low the upgrade fee is for the programs, it was a better deal for me to buy content (even if I was way over my budget) instead of paying for the programs.
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animagic
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animagic
Posted 4 Years Ago
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It has always been the case that the latest version of the software was required for the latest generation of characters. For four years this has been through free updates of iClone 7 and CC. But I guess there is always something to complain about. CC3 characters (and earlier) can be used in IC8. In fact, most earlier generations of characters will still work (before CC characters).
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