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What the key on improving animation on Iclone?

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Hello :)

Showing you my terrible animator joke directory to begin with hehe ^^ More seriously, I'm very new to Iclone and I need some advice to improve my editing on mocap with Iclone 7.9.
I saw few tuto on animation on Iclone, but I would like to ask Professional directly.
I'm posting the 2 videos ( I took the worst mocap they had so I can show my abilities in a given time ) :

Mocap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Q9WbcZbYg

Edited Mocap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgJX5PPGgkY


As you can see It's convincing but not enough for my client. What they want is to get rid of all the jerky thing and make the moves supple and fluent.
I know that I have an option to smooth the key between them? I'm I right? I tried the curve editor for free but I'm guessing it's not on point with the mocap capture because I couldn't make appear a single curve even after checking some thread here...
So for now to improve, I got only the smooth option. Is there anything I must know to pursue and improve it? Maybe it will be enough to stop what produce jerky motion. Sorry if I don't use proper term when I'm speaking about Iclone I'm so new to it.

Thanks a lot ;) I'm waiting for your good advices!

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@kaisa.s.blue.apple

Your post reminded me something that I had to share and ask...
But first, in order to see curves in Curve Editor you have to sample your clip. Now at this point I had to say "Sample Optimized". But now I hesitate...
I hope someone with extensive Mocap experience would help you more, but briefly only smoothing is not the answer and can make your clip even worth than it is.

Now the question. I noticed this a few days ago when was helping someone. Am I loosing my mind, or have I not seen that before, or is it a bug introduced in IC 7.9??
When you Sample Optimized, the clip is now getting messed up. Sampling Optimized is basically introduces sliding and jerky movements which were not in the original clip.
Moreover if you flatten it afterwards, those are hard-coded into the clip. Just look at the video. Is anyone noticed that? Is it reproducible? I used Heidi Twirl Hair clip.



Note: sampling per frame shows no sing of a problem as it should not.








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Thanks! Much appreciated for a next time
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@kaisa.s.blue.apple

Your post reminded me something that I had to share and ask...
But first, in order to see curves in Curve Editor you have to sample your clip. Now at this point I had to say "Sample Optimized". But now I hesitate...
I hope someone with extensive Mocap experience would help you more, but briefly only smoothing is not the answer and can make your clip even worth than it is.

Now the question. I noticed this a few days ago when was helping someone. Am I loosing my mind, or have I not seen that before, or is it a bug introduced in IC 7.9??
When you Sample Optimized, the clip is now getting messed up. Sampling Optimized is basically introduces sliding and jerky movements which were not in the original clip.
Moreover if you flatten it afterwards, those are hard-coded into the clip. Just look at the video. Is anyone noticed that? Is it reproducible? I used Heidi Twirl Hair clip.



Note: sampling per frame shows no sing of a problem as it should not.






Thanks a lot for your answer :)
Hey the curve editor worked!!! :D I was sure I did the Sample Optimized thing but I guess not!

Alright alright. Now a got an idea of why the mocap was so jerky... Someone  tried before me to do some adjustement but I did not know what exactly. I think he sample optimized and thats where it begin to be a mess I'm sure. Hum... I should have asked what he did first. Silly me I could have saved time.
However, to come back to the bug, is it always messy now?! I see in your videos that it was much better before! What happen? Will they fix this?
Everybody looks so lost with this software omg xD


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Honestly, I cannot recall, whether it was always like that. Maybe it works better for other clips. I did not work with it lately.
The first part of my video, is un-sampled clip, the second part is when I hit Sample Optimized.
I do not know how "Optimized" work. I see some randomly picked keys and smooth curve for a transition. Guess that is where it looses precision.
There is an online MOCAP cleaner someone posted the link for a while ago. Maybe worth researching.





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Oh yes? I will definetly search for the online mocap cleaner it could really help!
Yeah it makes sense that the Sample Optimized pick up random key and maybe smooth the curve a little. Of course the software can't decide where are the key pose to not to touch.

Hey thanks for all the informations! I'm glad you did help me ^^

Hope to see you around!



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