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sonic7 (12/7/2019)
Yeah - that last one looks good to me! - Interestingly, fyi, the 3 examples you've uploaded, I downloaded, and were as follows: ● vers 1 - 2,595 KB (30 fps) ● vers 2 - 3,660 KB (24fps) ● vers 3 - 4,291 KB (24fps) Yeah - I do like your style Guy .....Yes the first one was rendered as a video directly from iClone and I forgot to set the fps ^^ Regarding the size, mine are both 202 082 KB for both v2 and v3 in mxf format so you can imagine the loss of quality through youtube : / (and the excessive motion blur is actually less disturbing on the original video)
-- guy rabiller | GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS "N.O.E." (Nations Of Earth) Sci-Fi TV Show, Showrunner.
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Yeah - that last one looks good to me! - Interestingly, fyi, the 3 examples you've uploaded, I downloaded, and were as follows: ● vers 1 - 2,595 KB (30 fps) ● vers 2 - 3,660 KB (24fps) ● vers 3 - 4,291 KB (24fps) Yeah - I do like your style Guy .....
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Please be patient with me ..... I don't always 'get it' the first time 'round - not even the 2nd time! :( - yikes! ... ● MSI GT72VR Laptop, i7 7700HQ 4-Core 3.8 GHz 16GB RAM; Nvidia 1070, 8GB Vram ● iClone-7.93 ● 3DXChange Pipeline 7.81 ● CC-3 Pipeline 3.44 ● Live Face ● HeadShot ● Brekel Pro-Body ● Popcorn FX ● iRAY ● Kinect V2 ● DaVinci Resolve17 ● Mixcraft 8.1
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Yeah, you'd be looking on a better monitor than me, plus yours is the 'original'. But once the tracking shot came to rest (ie: the motion-blur wasn't doing it's thing), I could see more detail in the 1080. My display is only 1080p ..... (we cross posted - lol) ...
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Please be patient with me ..... I don't always 'get it' the first time 'round - not even the 2nd time! :( - yikes! ... ● MSI GT72VR Laptop, i7 7700HQ 4-Core 3.8 GHz 16GB RAM; Nvidia 1070, 8GB Vram ● iClone-7.93 ● 3DXChange Pipeline 7.81 ● CC-3 Pipeline 3.44 ● Live Face ● HeadShot ● Brekel Pro-Body ● Popcorn FX ● iRAY ● Kinect V2 ● DaVinci Resolve17 ● Mixcraft 8.1
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GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS
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sonic7 (12/7/2019)
Hi Guy .... My point was simply to compare two ranges to see how your shot looks when covering more of the 0-255 range. (ie: less flat). Obviously the amount would vary from shot to shot - in this case 14-250 still avoided clipping. I was simply comparing it (the before) with what I'm 'used to' ie: higher contrast. To me, a more contrasty shot gives the *impression* of sharpness - which (to my eye) is more 'video' than 'film' like. That's one thing I do like about film (at least my impression of it) - it can look really good without being razor sharp. And that's why the look of your image (to my eye) looks closer to 'film' - (because it's slightly flatter). So it was an exercise in comparing the two ranges. ~ Steve ~My point is that what's rendered from a camera, from iClone here, is never the final image. The goal is to have a technically correct image even if in it there is already an artistic work from the lighting. The goal is to have a maximum of "informations" in the image so Color Grading can be done efficiently, even if some informations are "buried" later on in the final, color graded, image. For instance, here I color graded the previous video and I would probably use the result in a final movie, despite the exaggerated motion blur.
The colors are warmer and there is more contrast (it is more "punchy" like you say), despite the fact that now the signal goes from full 0 to 255.
-- guy rabiller | GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS "N.O.E." (Nations Of Earth) Sci-Fi TV Show, Showrunner.
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sonic7 (12/7/2019)
The motion blur's effect is certainly noticeable on the wall monitor footage (the text is tamed). How would you compare the 720p vs 1080p (resolution wise)? I'm thinking there's not much in it due to the extra processing.
The motion blur is quite strong indeed, twice as standard. For a real movie I probably wouldn't go that far, nonetheless I still can see a much better image and details on the 1080p on my side though.
-- guy rabiller | GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS "N.O.E." (Nations Of Earth) Sci-Fi TV Show, Showrunner.
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The motion blur's effect is certainly noticeable on the wall monitor footage (the text is tamed too). How would you compare the 720p vs 1080p (resolution wise)? I'm thinking there's not much in it due to the extra processing.
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mtakerkart (12/6/2019) ../.. May you can make a 15 sec video render with some camera dolly and a new cc3 character whit idle motion ?I took the time to render a much better quality version. This one is 1080p, is from iClone Image Sequence rendering -> Premiere -> Full Motion Blur (RSMB) -> DNxHR SQ 2K 24fps (MXF).
-- guy rabiller | GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS "N.O.E." (Nations Of Earth) Sci-Fi TV Show, Showrunner.
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Hi Guy .... My point was simply to compare two ranges to see how your shot looks when covering more of the 0-255 range. (ie: less flat). Obviously the amount would vary from shot to shot - in this case 14-250 still avoided clipping. I was simply comparing it (the before) with what I'm 'used to' ie: higher contrast. To me, a more contrasty shot gives the *impression* of sharpness - which (to my eye) is more 'video' than 'film' like. That's one thing I do like about film (at least my impression of it) - it can look really good without being razor sharp. And that's why the look of your image (to my eye) looks closer to 'film' - (because it's slightly flatter). So it was an exercise in comparing the two ranges. ~ Steve ~
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Please be patient with me ..... I don't always 'get it' the first time 'round - not even the 2nd time! :( - yikes! ... ● MSI GT72VR Laptop, i7 7700HQ 4-Core 3.8 GHz 16GB RAM; Nvidia 1070, 8GB Vram ● iClone-7.93 ● 3DXChange Pipeline 7.81 ● CC-3 Pipeline 3.44 ● Live Face ● HeadShot ● Brekel Pro-Body ● Popcorn FX ● iRAY ● Kinect V2 ● DaVinci Resolve17 ● Mixcraft 8.1
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mtakerkart (12/6/2019) ../.. May you can make a 15 sec video render with some camera dolly and a new cc3 character whit idle motion ?Here it is, video rendering straight out from iClone, no extra AA, no Motion Blur, 720p:
-- guy rabiller | GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS "N.O.E." (Nations Of Earth) Sci-Fi TV Show, Showrunner.
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@mtakerkart Sure. @sonic7 I'm not sure to follow you. I mean, what is your point exactly ? :) The fact I like going toward photorealistic rendering is clearly a question of taste, yes, but from there, the need to retain details from highlights right through the low-light areas is not. It is a question of "technical quality". This very same constraint applies to cartoonish rendering or any stylized rendering. Whether you are "shooting" in 3D or on film, on DSLR/M or on digital camera, this will always be the case and if you don't address this constraint properly, your future as a DP is very compromised ^^. Regarding the range, in the false colors gradient I use there is no "safe video" 14/250 range per say. Values can go near 255 as well as 1, 2, 3, .. What you did is a simple Color Grading that makes the image "punchier", but to my eyes it does not make it more "video-like". This Color Grading could be even more drastic yet retains it cinematic feeling. Repeat the exact same process on any movie screenshot, I doubt you will find the result more "video-like", "punchier" for sure :)
-- guy rabiller | GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS "N.O.E." (Nations Of Earth) Sci-Fi TV Show, Showrunner.
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