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Transfer Skin Weight without deformation.

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Once the mesh is deformed, changing skin weight will not affect the mesh position no matter what value you give. Mesh position has nothing to do with skin weight while painting. 

I think CC always try to conform the cloth mesh to the character and I'm saying it should be made optional.
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[quote]t doesn't seem to make sense. According to your explanation, the mesh should always deform while you painting weight.Beside, once "Transfer Skin Weight" deforms my mesh, I can't get it back to the original shape with just adjusting weights.
you can back in the orginal shape with 0% weight The mesh is deforming from the weight "value"  . But because with 0% do the Meh not deforming with the bones , this mean it follow not the Bone translation(Animation)
. It is not the same thing as the edit mesh function where you realy change the geometry permanently .


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It doesn't seem to make sense. According to your explanation, the mesh should always deform while you painting weight.
Beside, once "Transfer Skin Weight" deforms my mesh, I can't get it back to the original shape with just adjusting weights. 

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I'm just saying, why it must deform the mesh while skinning?? It would be very simple to add an optional button not to change mesh position.

Seams to me skinning is new for you 
No deforming  would mean no weight and not follow the bones. That would a problem as soon as you want animate your Character .  
Mesh *deforming (*changing the meshposition)  comes from the weightmap . The WM is the influence from a Bone of a mesh  area (vertices) . Like a greymap,  white is deforming and  black not .
gradations indicate how soft the Bone deform the mesh .
That mean Auto transfer ,  do copy the WM and transform it  from the character to your new Cloth mesh. 
Then for better result you need fine tuning some areas in the new mesh with the WM Tools 
Indeed RL has some Template , but every mesh is different and in your case you need fix the influence manually in this areas.  The tools are not there for nothing.


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"Other' still deforms it.
Sure, an automatic skinning feature is nice and it is very useful even if it's not perfect. I'll have to adjust the weight and it's much easier to start from somewhere instead of from scatch.
I'm just saying, why it must deform the mesh while skinning?? It would be very simple to add an optional button not to change mesh position.
Thanks.
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Consider automatic skinning is nice feature for sure , but by all not perfect .if the result of easy push button is not enough still adjust the weight manually. Every mesh is different and need fine tuning.

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Try using the "Other" setting instead. The default clothing template ends at the wrists and cuffs.
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Alright, here it is.
The first screenshot is before I do "Transfer Skin Weight"   As you can see everything looks fine.


The next image is after "Transfer Skin Weight" using the Default template.



As you can see, the sleeves are deformed. It also deforms other areas slightly(shoulders are widened) but not very noticeable in the image but I don't want any deformation but just skin weigh transfer. 
Thanks.

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Really, you should more show an explain what your problem is if you want help.
I do conforming my meshes without problems and it works exactly like or DAZ Studio transfer utility tool 
From your description, I have no Idea what you mean . Mean you wrong weigths ? or want you non conforming accessories ?  Why do you not made a screenshot ?


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Hi,
It's a pretty simple problem and it happens to all cases.
Have you tried to Import an FBX file, a cloth for an example, and applied "Transfer Skin Weight" from the given template?
Your imported mesh will always changes its shape as a side-effect but I don't want it to change its shape if I already prepared the mesh to fit CC character.
I think CC is trying to deform the mesh to conform to the character while applying weight but I would like a check-box option for the mesh deformation.
Thanks.

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