Aww ... :blush:  thanks musicaz .... that's the nicest comment I've ever had ..... I do thank you (very much) ..... :)

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Please be patient with me ..... I don't always 'get it' the first time 'round - not even the 2nd time! :(  - yikes! ... 

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well Sonic7  all i can say is i am gratefull to people like you being on this forum and you  are  definitely appreciated and a credit to this forum =)

Musicaz .... I can totally understand what you're saying .... and I'm some-one who would really love to have high-speed iRay (or similar) - direct out of iClone. I've always wanted to achieve everything in one place, namely, inside of iClone - simply because of it's animation strengths.
I think there's quite a few folk that would really like a fast, iRay quality render engine but who simply won't / don't make mention of this wish simply because they doubt that it's likely to ever happen .... I can understand that viewpoint.
There are folk who see the overall merits of working totally within iClone as beneficial enough - so they're prepared to live with the fast native render engine.  I can understand that viewpoint as well.
For the 'quality at all cost' perfectionists who aren't happy with either the look of iClone's native render OR the protracted iRay render times, these folk will utilize other external render engines after exporting out of iClone. I can understand this viewpoint too.

Then there's other people who either can't figure out how to use other external render engines (or it's too much trouble), so have to stay inside iClone. They much prefer the look of (the likes of) iRay, so are prepared (somewhat begrudgingly) to put up with ridiculous render times ..... I fall into this last category - hence why I produced the chart...


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Please be patient with me ..... I don't always 'get it' the first time 'round - not even the 2nd time! :(  - yikes! ... 

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of course i want , but i gave up a long time ago and my new home is with Unreal 4 and possibly later on  Blender Evee .  All i care about is high end graphics , for me the story is nothing without the graphics , if graphics are not important i would just read a good book . !

I certainly look forward to higher res rendering in iClone. Musicaz don't assume because it's not something you want that all our opinions are the same. I use Blender but i don't want to do everything in that software, I want to create 3D models and bring them back to iClone for the ease of animation, having a descent render option is a BIG plus for iClone. 

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I don't understand where the impression comes from that we don't want the real-time rendering in iClone improved. It's just that any improvement that RL implements is dismissed by some. Those that don't see the improvements that have been made over time need a new pair of glasses.

BTW, I look forward to all the beautiful animated work that will no doubt be created with external renderers. 

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I see your point, but respectfully disagree.

Although there have been a lot of improvements in the iClone native renderer, I think a significant portion of the iClone user base would also really appreciate subsurface scattering (SSS), improved volumetrics and fog (along with "god rays"), motion blur, anti-aliasing, and then basic improvements in efficiency and reduced rendering times.  The "toon" shader needs attention also, I believe.  Most people appreciate doing as much within iClone as possible.

Having said all that, the ability to expand the pipeline for people who have particular artistic needs (and the corresponding ambition} is a great value-added capability for iClone users.

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   no thanks Animagic i will just use  Blender Evee, Unreal , or Unity . And btw folks imo , there isnt that many people that want the render engine improved in  Iclone as we can improve ourselves with what we have  now seems to be the prevailing opinion.  This is all like deja vu where a few people wanted the render engine upgraded in iclone and there were posts like what i read lately . And wish lists , etc, etc.   Only a small percentage have any real issues with the rendering in Iclone right now so why would it be fixed. Not to mention for all the praises for the Iray plugin , that seems to be mostly for still images. I would imagine when most of your customer base is mostly satisified with the present renderer and its not likely any sales will be lost , there would be no incentive to change anything . Why not just create more still image based plugins , they will be praised and purchased and everything will be lovely.   Correct guys ?  Also they can add more blippity blap and blappity blip features  for Iclone and super  fragalistic features  that wont make the final render any better quality and there shall be praises and joy in here . yes ? oh yeah and flicker , flicker , flicker , flicker !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha ha

Nice table. 25 fps would be a bit more and 30 fps 25% more. 

When animation was hand-drawn they would often double (or even triple) frames, i.e., show the same frame twice in succession. So that would help...:P

Also, in a professional environment rendering is farmed out over many computers, so to do high-quality rendering on a single system is a challenge.

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