Recently I stumbled upon this tutorial: Tutorial - Playset UN Task Force - Using the Physics Toolbox in the Humvees.

I was very surprised because the UN Task Force is quite a recent release, after iClone 7 was released if I'm not mistaken.

When the Physics Toolbox was released for iClone 5 I was really interested in it but then I never had the chance to get it until apparently it was made more or less obsolete with the next iClone versions, but we never get back something similar even with iClone 7. So seeing that Reallusion is still releasing iClone content using the Physics Toolbox make me think it may not be that obsolete after all and I'm now tempted to get it.

But I would like to hear from those who actually own and use this Physics Toolbox, including with iClone 7.

What do you think ?

ps: plz do not get into PhysX is better than Bullet or vice-versa because I know very well Bullet from my work with Houdini. I'm rather interested in what can be and can't be done in iClone 7 compared to iClone 5 (perhaps some features that does not work anymore or something?). Can you replicate with the current iClone 7 physics implementation what was/is possible with this iClone 5 Physics Toolbox (which I don't think we can, apparently, hence my interest).

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guy rabiller | GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS
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I am not aware of anything I can't do with Physics toolbox in iclone 7 which I could do in iclone 5. I know that, for a while, there was a problem implementing the physics engine in iClone 6, but this has been resolved a while ago. I like to power my vehicles with Physics toolbox, and it works well in iclone 7.


My latest movie THE GOLDEN MAN, and a few others: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIl1EqVCKitZzLqaNnLK0BA

Sounds good then. Thanks a lot.

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guy rabiller | GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS
"N.O.E." (Nations Of Earth) Sci-Fi TV Show, Showrunner.

Investigating a bit further here is the situation:
As the Physics Toolbox use Bullet, iClone7 can replay or simulate Physics Toolbox setups (through the Lua viewport control panels) but we don't have access to the items Physics properties nor Constraints.
For this, the setup has to be created/edited in iClone5, then imported into iClone7.

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guy rabiller | GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS
"N.O.E." (Nations Of Earth) Sci-Fi TV Show, Showrunner.

Thanks for investigating further.

It's true. But, using Bullet in iClone 7,  I was always able to create my vehicles without using the UI physics settings or constraints. I never built anything overly complicated either in iClone 7. I am curious what the support team has to say about this disappearance,  so that we have to resort to use iClone 5.



My latest movie THE GOLDEN MAN, and a few others: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIl1EqVCKitZzLqaNnLK0BA

meh nevermind your talking about constraints i was talking about toolbox kit thingy..
but for people looking for the button here .. is the button in settings..






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That's interesting, Reallusion is doing it again:
A New Collection Of Modern Vehicles For iClone

Using the Physics Toolbox again. So if you want to edit the physical properties of those vehicles you have to launch and use iClone 5. Is iClone 5 still available to new users ?

It's like if you had to keep CS6 Photoshop in order to edit a Layer in Photoshop CC 2018 ! Which software company would do anything like that ? ;)

I think it is now time to ask to Reallusion to bring back the Bullet Physics Property panels or tabs - including constraints - back into iClone 7, no ?

What do you think ?

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guy rabiller | GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS
"N.O.E." (Nations Of Earth) Sci-Fi TV Show, Showrunner.

"A New Collection Of Modern Vehicles Using Old Technology!"

What's next?  Hybrid horses?

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Old technology ? No, Bullet is the state of the art physic simulator, used in production everywhere, including in Houdini. I've worked on 2 animated films recently and used it in Houdini to create complex chains links simulations that wouldn't work with anything else - including Bullet engine imcluded in other 3d softwares not exposing all the functionalities of Bullet (with the same approach used for the neck chains simulations of "Chappie" (2015) ).

The thing is that PhysX is part of the NVidia Gaming tools using GPU so it looks like more attractive.

I don't mind having both engines in iClone, I just want the properties and constraints panels/tabs for Bullet back into the iClone interface, so we can work with Bullet and *EDIT* iClone 7 content sold and made with it !

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guy rabiller | GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS
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COMPLETELY missed my point, Guy.

What I was getting at was iClone was introducing things that could only be used by an old iClone (which is VERY old technology indeed).

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