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Posted By Kelleytoons 8 Years Ago
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Kelleytoons (8/24/2017)
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As a very general rule I don't try and promote that here yet because it's really 2D (based around both our series as well as the product used to animate it, Moho).  However, I WILL be using iClone for some serious (or not so serious) work as soon as the FW stuff is released.



I loved the 2d animations. I'll watch them all over the weekend. Do you write your own scripts?

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Thanks for the kind words.

Yeah, I actually think of myself as a writer first and foremost.  I have a long background in directing (my degree is in communications and theater arts) but writing is my strength, such as it is.  For a long time I worked in 3D (back when dinosaurs ruled the earth and character animation was just a pipedream).  I'm lucky to have lived long enough to see the tools we now have.



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Kelleytoons (8/24/2017)
Thanks, Paul.

I well remember writing the scripts for our series and then realizing I had to animate them (2D without the great help we have in iClone).  Yipes -- animate folks climbing around on the top of a building (one scene I had written).  Hmmm, perhaps we just hear him while he's UP there and never see him?  (I actually did animate him, but it was pretty awful.  Got better as time went on but 2D animation was never my strong point).


This is why when I see someone asking for a new tool saying this would make it easier for me. Then someone criticizes them and talks about, what it means to be an animator. I think yeah but I also have to be a writer, editor, director, cinematographer, sound effect (collector and sound guy), ect...  It's not we can't do it, some how, its the time we spend getting it to look just right... looking forward to watching more of your current and future work. 

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Kelleytoons (8/24/2017)
Thanks, Paul.

I well remember writing the scripts for our series and then realizing I had to animate them (2D without the great help we have in iClone).  Yipes -- animate folks climbing around on the top of a building (one scene I had written).  Hmmm, perhaps we just hear him while he's UP there and never see him?  (I actually did animate him, but it was pretty awful.  Got better as time went on but 2D animation was never my strong point).


This is why when I see someone asking for a new tool saying this would make it easier for me. Then someone criticizes them and talks about, what it means to be an animator. I think yeah but I also have to be a writer, editor, director, cinematographer, sound effect (collector and sound guy), ect...  It's not we can't do it, some how, its the time we spend getting it to look just right... looking forward to watching more of your current and future work. 

Directors and spend years refining their skill. When a Director is "expected" to get under the hood and make it work...
The director is told to "Stand Back.".... and let the "Technical Director" TAKE OVER.

The technical director does NOT use "AutoRig"... therefore, thoroughly understands "Bone Control.".... Greatly simplifying Animation
He/She knows how it's done "From Experience."

Climb or Walk:
~ Pose
~ Block
~ Anticipate

Basic Animation 101:
Use auto this and auto that.... You learn NOTHING.

Result:
You have great difficulty performing basic animation as climbing a wall.
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Programmers come to iClone, whom have spent years refining their skills and when expected to get under the hood and make it work....
Learn from the "Technical Director" of How its done.

1. The Modeler must keep the Rigger in mind.
2. The Rigger must keep the Animator in mind.
3. The Animator breaths life into the scenes.

The Programmer.... needs to LEARN all of this... step by step.
Use auto this or that..... 
Poor results as noted.

But...
You tweak anything long enough, it becomes acceptable.


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paulg625 (8/25/2017)

...when I see someone asking for a new tool saying this would make it easier for me

When you need to fix something.
Just as you use "Auto-This or Auto-That"... i.e. lip sync, morphs, etc., etc..

ask for an "Auto-FIX" EZ button.

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So your that guy on this forum.....

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...when I see someone asking for a new tool saying this would make it easier for me

When you need to fix something.
Just as you use "Auto-This or Auto-That"... i.e. lip sync, morphs, etc., etc..

ask for an "Auto-FIX" EZ button.



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thanks for stating the obvious stuff " as usual" and on the rest I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.


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Directors and spend years refining their skill. When a Director is "expected" to get under the hood and make it work...
The director is told to "Stand Back.".... and let the "Technical Director" TAKE OVER.

The technical director does NOT use "AutoRig"... therefore, thoroughly understands "Bone Control.".... Greatly simplifying Animation
He/She knows how it's done "From Experience."

Climb a Walk:
~ Pose
~ Block
~ Anticipate

Basic Animation 101:
Use auto this and auto that.... You learn NOTHING.

Result:
You have great difficulty performing basic animation as climbing a wall.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Programmers come to iClone, whom have spent years refining their skills and when expected to get under the hood and make it work....
Learn from the "Technical Director" of How its done.

1. The Modeler must keep the Rigger in mind.
2. The Rigger must keep the Animator in mind.
3. The Animator breaths life into the scenes.

The Programmer.... needs to LEARN all of this... step by step.
Use auto this or that..... 
Poor results as noted.

But...
You tweak anything long enough, it becomes acceptable.




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paulg625 (8/25/2017)
thanks for stating the obvious stuff " as usual" and on the rest I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.

Wrong about what:? Please explain.

Fact:
You use auto buttons you learn nothing.
When the animation is not pleasing... you have to tweak bone by bone to fix it.

The more you know about "Rigging"... Not simply skinning a mesh to bones...
The easier it is to FIX iClone animation.
Period.


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Fact:
You don't know anything about me or my skills.
  question:
What is my purpose ?  What are my goals?


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paulg625 (8/25/2017)
thanks for stating the obvious stuff " as usual" and on the rest I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.

Wrong about what:? Please explain.

Fact: you just blurt out the obvious; without considering what someone is thinking, or their purpose.
the statements are factual but meaningless in the context of the discussion which we were involved in.
If I'm building a house and use power tools instead of using hand tools, doesn't mean I don't know how to use the hand tools .
it means I'm wise enough to regulate my time across all the things I have to do.

What have I asked for which you consider an easy-button? In fact the only tool I asked for is something to give me more access 
Don't you preach on ans on about curve editor? that's not bone by bone seems it's an easy button.

Then adding injury to insult, you didn't even read one of the post I wrote and raved about what you thought I needed and the funny thing was what you were raving saying I needed was what I was asking for.
 
You come into a topic brief over it, your cup already full. Then don't even truly read what someone says before going into a rant like a guy with a sign declaring the end of the world, spew out generic book facts about basic animations. 

I have and continue to study basic animation, I initially refused to even use pre-made animations. learning the rules of  the 9 old men and the 12 rules of animations. 
setting up and blocking out motions by hand, studying motions, poses which express different emotions based on a single frame and proper timing. how to breath life into a character. 
And your right about going bone by bone to make corrections. oh how I know this and have spent countless hours doing this while learning to animate.

but again I ask you this, what is my goal? what am I trying to accomplish? verses what you are.
I have studied from guys who have actually worked on Disney movies. how they worked on just a few seconds of footage to get it just right using exaggeration, squash and stretch, anticipation, etc...   So next time before you just throw out a few basic rules stop and try to figure out whats going on , empty your cup and actually listen and engage instead of throwing a proverbial tantrum in each and every page I find your quotes on repeating the same things.

and I come back to this final thing and repeatedly ask you:  What is my goal and purpose?   I know you can't answer this question. 
Why is this important?  Because you can't actually troubleshoot a problem without asking questions...

You are right the below are facts, problem is they were completely irreverent to the topic at hand, in regards to what I was referencing to...

Fact:
You use auto buttons you learn nothing.

When the animation is not pleasing... you have to tweak bone by bone to fix it.

The more you know about "Rigging"... Not simply skinning a mesh to bones...
The easier it is to FIX iClone animation.
Period.




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paulg625 (8/26/2017)
[b]...but again I ask you this, what is my goal? what am I trying to accomplish? verses what you are...

Kellytoons post concerns locomotion.
~ He's using 3ds Max, but his laptop won't display well for him.

Max tools... Wire-Parameters and Reaction Manager are not viable options.
These tools provide what iClone's physics tool box has... an much more.
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