Is there an argument?  Sorry, I must have missed it.  I know folks seem to think I should be using tools outside of iClone, and *somebody* thinks there's no problem at all (so that person ought to post some video) but I don't see any disagreement that physics here just is too wonky to do it easily inside of iClone and doing it manually is about the only way around it.

But if someone disagrees I'd love them to show me otherwise -- again, the only way I can see doing it is manually as long as I'm staying inside of iClone (I'm sure there IS a possible physics rig for it, but it's beyond my skillset to make it).

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Mike "ex-genius" Kelley

Maybe if Kelleytoons  posted a clip of his Model in Motion, using his method, that would settle the argument.............




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Are you a professional idiot, or do you do this just for fun?

"A quick browse through the marketplace reveals..."  that someone actually hand animated this procedure.  Sigh.  I know I should suffer tools in silence, but sometimes...

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Mike "ex-genius" Kelley

Question was answered on page one. Yes its possible and easy to do inside of iclone . But no  five pages later the wheel has been reinvented . Along with numerous reminders that Kellytoons is mortal and his time left on the planet short . A  browse though the market place shows  a number of projects running this simple motion in iclone. Now we are talking about making a scrpit in 3d max for it :D . And no you dont own the forum and yes people can pass critique on what you post

Yeah, and the problem with that particular thought process is that the motion of locomotive wheels isn't all rotational -- there are pistons and levers involved that need more than one pivot point.  iClone's physics does handle this rigging quite well, but what doesn't work well is it's *really* finicky about the action after the rigging, as if the actual physics aren't all that good.  It would be far better to separate the two, to allow linkage using those physics tools but then just allow hand animation to handle the motions.  Unless I just don't understand well (and that's possible) that isn't the way it works.

It's not real complicated to hand animate this (did it in less than 10 minutes) but I had hoped for a more general solution.  And as I said, I may well revisit this with a script.

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Mike "ex-genius" Kelley

Okay, I see.  Ironically, I got the idea from you.  In the other thread about an orbiting path, you had mentioned you could orbit an object by linking it to the center object, which itself would be rotating.   In that case I also imagined a nucleus having multiple electrons, protons, etc. at different speeds, and so you could have a stable nucleus with no motion, or its own animation, but in its same geography have multiple dummy sphere-movers as the axis points for the other orbiting sub-atomic objects.  

Tony,

In essence that's what I did.  This wasn't so much about animating the move part of the loco as it was trying to get the wheel mechanism to work automatically once rigged right.  I still think that's doable with iClone physics, but rather than waste more time trying it I just went ahead and animated it by hand.  After I did that I linked to the rest of the train and animated its movement (calculated by the circumference of the wheels, so the movement matches the wheel rotation -- that particular part I could do via a script when Python ever arrives.  In point of fact I might have done most of this via scripting and may give it another shot when we have that ability).

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Mike "ex-genius" Kelley

I am late to this thread, I know, but could one separate the wheel/motion part of the model from the base and then import as 2 parts, and then set motion to one while moving in tangent with the other, that way you achieve a fake-rig?  Or link both to a 3rd dummy prop of some type that would be the primary path mover?

I came on strong to Kellytoons, but I WILL help him anyway I can.
If his laptop displayed well for him.... we would not be having this conversation.
He knows what he's doing.

I stress the point of the more you know about rigging... the easier it is to animate.
Why...
Rigging teaches you "Bone Control."

Kellytoons is NOT using the EZ button.... Blending mocap.
He's getting under-the-hood and "Animating."

Animation is all about "Bone Control."
What is your problem?

Wow,
you are totally lost...  I actually feel sorry for you. You post part of my post. Then ramble on proving my point.... You ramble on about the topic. You don't even address the part of my post you copied LOL. Just know from what I see of you and looking around at your responses to others here. Yow are destined to become the boy who cried wolf. And even when you have good information to share people are going to tend to ignore it. I know you already feel this way sometimes reading some of your post 

but0fc0ursee (8/26/2017)

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"IF you would just listen to me."

Sadly you are doing this to yourself with your attitude and approach. and I know I'm wasting my breath. you prove this repeatedly when I asked you a simple question and you failed completly to comprehend the question then began speaking off topic of the primary discussion proving your goal isn't to help it's just to criticize people. Typically people who do this have self esteem  issues...
 

but0fc0ursee (8/26/2017)

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paulg625 (8/26/2017)

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[b]...but again I ask you this, what is my goal? what am I trying to accomplish? verses what you are...

Kellytoons post concerns locomotion.
~ He's using 3ds Max, but his laptop won't display well for him.

Max tools... Wire-Parameters and Reaction Manager are not viable options.
These tools provide what iClone's physics tool box has... an much more.
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What is you point here?