I can't say I was surprised but I was extremely disappointed to see the thread 'Truth In Advertising' had been removed.

I ask the question, if there were offending posts within that thread.....why could they not just be edited out by the forum moderator?

I have just finished reading the forum rules to refresh my memory and I saw nothing in the initial post of that thread to break any rules.  It was just a short statement of fact.  Does that mean myself or another forum member broke the rules?  This again leads me to the question why was the thread not edited instead of deleted?

However, one forum member persistantly posted misinformation within the thread which had no bearing on the intital post and constantly referred to other threads, no doubt this was in an attempt to have the Truth in Advertising thread removed....and it appears to have worked.

I have asked on several occasions to have a three year old thread removed from the forum to no avail, so it seems it's only those and such as those who are listened to by Reallusion.  What happened to fairness and equality?  Each and every forum member should be treated the same and be permitted to have their say providing it remains within forum guidelines.

This reminds me why I stopped creating content for my Marketplace as well as posting on the Reallusion forum.  However, I will now pursue this through the appropriate channels.

I dare say this post may well find it's way to the scrap heap like some others, no matter, that just adds credence to my statement.

Shy

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I do hope it doesn't cause you to leave, you are really a wonderful person to speak with in the community.

I think I have a better idea from the last thread about what may be upsetting everyone.

I also think I understand why these threads are getting deleted, being that i'm unattached to the original incident, I haven't any upset feelings - but I do have strong feelings about keeping a happy community together.

Even if this thread or any subsequent threads gets deleted, I feel like I understand your view more and would hope that you don't feel like your words went to waste, if that matters any.

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I spent all this time interpreting the Google 3D Warehouse TOS...:crying:

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Hi Shy,

The thread you are referring to was removed because it broke forum rules. While the initial post was within the rules, the OP of that thread then later made direct accusations against another forum member which is against forum rules.

It really is very clear. You simply can't make accusations against another user on the forum. If any forum user suspects another of selling illegal or plagiarised content, they should contact us immediately and report their findings. We will then take the appropriate action. This was made clear to the OP of both threads after the first thread was removed.

I do hope you can understand why this action was taken.

                                                                

Peter
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so there we have it...I was right and everyone else ( except Peter ) was wrong!

what bugs me is that the people everyone is defending aren't here to help bring a peaceful end to this discussion.

Yall shouldn't be having harsh feelings twoards each other because I think you are all great people.

if anyone wants to be upset at someone, be upset at me , I always win debates.

3:> err ..<3

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planet, I'm with you.

What I like about this forum is that 99.99% of the time people do get along and we do have interesting and fruitful discussions. There is also very little snobbery here: in general, members are willing to help other members.

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Can some one give me a quick run down of whats gone on , been busy so have not been keeping a eye on the forums.

Thanks



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Nice to see you again blue!!

that's a taboo request at the moment because it's hard to explain it without looking like you are picking a side. Only one side of the story can be explained at a time, thus making it a risky endeavor!

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I know how you feel Blue, I too missed some replies on another thread that vanished before I could get online which I was eager to see some responses to, as a person whom I had a very public stoush with on youtube had just made one of his rare forum postings.
A subject I followed but stayed well clear of posting about.
This one was more of a spat though on a similar related topic, use of Google warehouse models in products, while not strictly illegal a bit of a grey area as far as I am personally concerned, I would want clear permission from the model creator myself but I am no lawyer, just an opinion.
A few personal attacks occured between participants and others are best keeping out of it.
If someone is doing something you find questionable, the best approach is to alert the company involved, in this case Reallusion, not post it on a public forum.
We are not software police.
I myself am only concerned about legally protecting my own *** not judging others and so try to use models where clear usage guidelines by the creator are included, not all GW models fall into that catagory for me as I know of some model creators who have had their stuff added without permission.
The correct action in that case is to inform Trimble or whoever is involved.
So I myself always double check or stick to Google Earth buildings, models by companies and things clearly made in sketchup, you can mostly tell from the mesh.

As I mentioned in the removed thread, it's worthwhile to take the time to read the full Google/Timble 3D Warehouse Terms of Service, in particular Section 11, which is about content. I researched this a while ago, as I had questions myself: the TOS can be confusing. I will summarize my interpretation (again). But, I'm not a lawyer, so everyone should judge for themselves what they are comfortable with or get legal advice.

Briefly, publishing on 3D Warehouse makes a work public, in the sense that other users may create derived works and publish them. If you don't want that to happen, don't publish there.

That said, the orginal creator retains the copyright, so claiming a derived work as your own would be a copyright infringement. In other words, it is advisable to credit the original creator. Is it mandatory? I don't know, but that way you would properly acknowledge the original creator.

So, taking a model from 3D Warehouse and converting it into an iClone model (which can be a lot of work), and then publishing it in the RL MarketPlace cannot be considered stealing. However, it would be a dubious practice to claim the model as your own. It would be decent to indicate the source of the model.

When there is no monetary gain, in other words, you provide the model as a freebie, you would simply have saved people time to do the conversion themselves.

As to whether you can charge for such a model, one position is that if you spend a lot of time converting, you could state that you charge for that time, but not for the model. Again, by indicating the source of the model, and actually providing a link, your potential customer can decide whether they find your conversion worth the price or whether they want to try do to it for themselves.

Since RL owns MarketPlace, they of course have a stake in this, and when in doubt, any particular instance should be taken up with them, as Peter (RL) already pointed out. Also, questions in general about the above are best taken up with RL.

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