I, as a rule, do not babble, sir. It is you who aren't making sense, while accusing me of talking nonsense.
Upholding (socially widely held) "values" taught to you (no matter how wrong and/or harmful from a modern-day perspective, and no matter how much they might be in violation of today's equal rights legislation) will get yourself into a moral dilemma.
There is no room for the societal values of yore (listed above) in a world where citizens' civil rights are recognized and honored as a part of the common good.

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From W.H. Auden's (1907-1973) 1942 poem "Canzone":

When shall we learn, what should be clear as day,
We cannot choose what we are free to love?
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August Graf von Platen-Hallermünde (1796-1835),
Auszug aus einem "An Justus Liebig" gerichteten Gedicht von 1828:

Soll bergen ich mein innerstes Vermögen,
Was ich empfinde zu bekennen schwanken?
Ich schämte mich der eigenen Gedanken,
Wenn sie, wie Schwalben, an der Erde flögen.
Hienieden lohnt's der Mühe nicht, zu zagen,
Und wahr und frei zu sprechen kleidet Jeden,
Da bald wir Alle ruhn in Sarkophagen.

While there have been several examples of post hijacking on the Forum, this thread has to be one of the worst examples available.

The original poster started by asking:

A post by a porno King, the attacks on his work and the subsequent freedom of speech support posts have done nothing to help to OP.

For the OP,

most of the iClone videos are available on Youtube.

You can also view stuff at the iClone Training Center.

Gerry

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"Socially WIDELY HELD values" from the 1950s means just that. No one said EVERYONE thought the same way. However, racism and homophobia WERE widespread AND socially accepted "values" back then --- and they were backed up by segregation/"separate-but-equal" Jim Crow laws (until 1965!), anti-miscegenation laws (until 1967!), sodomy laws (until 2003!) and "separate-but-equal" same-sex Civil Unions (still ongoing struggle for equality), whether we like it or not. These are historical facts. Happily, values change and, like societies themselves, evolve over time. Pretending otherwise --- despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is just plain silly. Enough already! Please get back to this thread's original subject!


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From W.H. Auden's (1907-1973) 1942 poem "Canzone":

When shall we learn, what should be clear as day,
We cannot choose what we are free to love?
--------------------------------
August Graf von Platen-Hallermünde (1796-1835),
Auszug aus einem "An Justus Liebig" gerichteten Gedicht von 1828:

Soll bergen ich mein innerstes Vermögen,
Was ich empfinde zu bekennen schwanken?
Ich schämte mich der eigenen Gedanken,
Wenn sie, wie Schwalben, an der Erde flögen.
Hienieden lohnt's der Mühe nicht, zu zagen,
Und wahr und frei zu sprechen kleidet Jeden,
Da bald wir Alle ruhn in Sarkophagen.

Well-said, Gerry:).

I'm glad I'm not a New iClone User.:ermm:

This Thread is the worst example of Thread hijacking on "Any" Forum I Post in.

Perhaps the original Poster would like to join-in the Warlord's Tutorial Thread, where there's "Constructive" discussion:) & not "Destructive", as this Thread has become.:angry:

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Well I went to bed last night happy with my morals wake up this morning to find my thinking is the cause of society moral break down and I have been party to hijacked a thread ....

I Personally do not feel its hijacking to follow issues that a thread may bring up, but accept that others do..

I would start another thead about Iclone and adult material as I feel sooner or later its going to be a issue to talk about, as it is for Daz users, but as it went downhill quickly here I dont think I will ...

Just for the record though one of my morals is never to inflict my morals on anyone else, I believe in this very strongly...




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Thunderjunkie please post again!
I do hope you have not been scared off, there are lots of people here more than happy to sell you content and tutorials or you can just do what I did, try stuff and see what works or scream at your computer when it doesn't!
Start off simple, load a few friends heads to the characters and use the text to speech to make them say silly things!
Put homemovies in the background (under 2D background) then slowly try animation
everything is basically drag and drop.

besides, this is how we learn!! it is part of our heritage to go off on tangents to ease the stress of finding an organized system of tutorials. we have come a long way since the wiki wars. I personally have requested a player vs player module since iclone 3.

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Well, hopefully Thunderjunkie hasn't seen most of this thread, because it might give the wrong impression of the usually friendly and helpful people here...

There are a lot of posts with how-tos in this forum, and when you get stuck, just ask a question!

(BTW, I do have an opinion on the subject...but it would be too, uh, European, and I am an American now...)

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