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Does the EULA prohibit using renders from Character Creator models AI image generation?

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blenderartist (3/26/2023)
I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but here goes.

I have been experimenting with using character renders from Blender 3D in the image2image part of Automatic1111 and stable diffusion.  I'm only interested in using renders of characters with ai generators, not the 3d characters themselves. Is this prohibited by the license?

I was thinking Character Creator would be just the thing to build different characters until I saw this in the license:

(C) You may NOT use the Content in the following situations or applications:

  1. In-app content purchase
  2. In-app character generation
  3. Character generation API licensing
  4. As embedded content in the AP or online service
  5. AI training/ deep learning


Hi...

When you use Reallusion software we grant you a royalty free license for any generated videos or images. This means you may use your videos or images commercially without any further renumeration to Reallusion. The only restrictions are that you may not sell or transfer the rights to the images or videos to a third party or use them in stock image or video libraries. Looking at your proposed usage plans I don't see any issues.


                                                                

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I was thinking Character Creator would be just the thing to build different characters until I saw this in the license:

(C) You may NOT use the Content in the following situations or applications:

  1. In-app content purchase
  2. In-app character generation
  3. Character generation API licensing
  4. As embedded content in the AP or online service
  5. AI training/ deep learning


try to see the common issue in all these scenarios:
the license prevents you creating another character generator with Realusion assets

Passing your 2D renders through an AI post-process to create a specific art style is not what they are trying to prevent. (and if they were smart they'd add their own Stable Diffusion post-process as a paid plugin for CC and call it 'Art Mode' since SD users are jumping through hoops to get posed figures in AI art generators –– amateurs could easily generate their graphic novel in just CC...).

RL content (with a Standard licence) cannot be used in a character generation system to provide cosmetic options to your "customers". This has always been their policy. Now they are including trained AI models, presumably on the assumption that such a model would be made available to others and is essentially another character generator.

(think an RPG that can generate new characters in-game with AI trained models)

From this wording, your img2img renders are not a problem. But Dreambooth model training violates the standard licence. 

MY OPINION: If a Dreambooth model is strictly 'in house' for generating your own 2D art, and the trained model is not shared, or available in a way where your customers can generate from the model, it would be difficult for RL to say that you are in competition with CC
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Your Blender rendered images /animations are not RL “content”
Eventually AI will be able to batch restyle our render frames into different styles  with coherency.
This is effectively “training” the AI algorithm.
RL can restrict what you can do with the actual Iclone/CC4 3D assets(3D meshes & textures) but the rendered images are yours to do with as you wish particularly those rendered externally in Blender or UE5 etc.



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I was hoping that was the case but I'd like to know for sure.
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AI training/deep learning requires a large number of images, which is not what you are doing.

You are just generating something using a CC created image and using an existing AI algorithm.

But Peter (RL) can tell you for sure.


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I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but here goes.

I have been experimenting with using character renders from Blender 3D in the image2image part of Automatic1111 and stable diffusion.  I'm only interested in using renders of characters with ai generators, not the 3d characters themselves. Is this prohibited by the license?

I was thinking Character Creator would be just the thing to build different characters until I saw this in the license:

(C) You may NOT use the Content in the following situations or applications:

  1. In-app content purchase
  2. In-app character generation
  3. Character generation API licensing
  4. As embedded content in the AP or online service
  5. AI training/ deep learning



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