I agree with all you say.... Except, I built this machine through DELL by choosing the parts I required.  It came with only Windows 8 standard so there was no reversion choice.
But the basic habit of 8 is to act like a hand held patty-pat-shopping-phone. NOT a Wide Screen Desktop Design Device for iClone.

I LOVE Windows 8..... Now that I have it under control. Acting like a computer NOT like a shopping-phone. iClone 64 in this 8 is brilliant.

It took a bit of doing but eventually I've brought the OS and computer back into a work machine. Took some hunting online and a lot of Registry edits but it can be done including added speed.

But there is no way in hell I will ever have a 30 inch touch screen monitor to build and edit iClone  sets and avatars and clone cloth and etc patting about on the screen  desperately trying to get what I want to do what I need of it putty-patting about like a TeddyBear looking for a fingerprint. :w00t::P:D:):hehe:

But with windows 8 microsoft has transported us back to when we were in our childhood with fingerpainting.  Actually I think Microsoft is in coherts with the companies that make screen wipes :)

I want my 3D Desktop back.  I like shadows under my windows in stead of flat.  I live in a world where things are 3D not 2D. :)

Its all there. You simply have to stop Windows 8 acting as if everybody has fingertips the size of a Buttock flabbing it about on the screen all the time with dabby-buttons the size of a llama's butt.   :P:D

The system here acts like a computer. Windows DONT swoosh and squinch into a triangular disappearing act just because I minimised them as if I'll get so bored with instantaneous window closure that I'll buy a different brand computer. No.

They just minimise. No twinkly stars, no animated squinchy-winchy minimising cartoony stuff with sparklies.

They just go.

The mouse is a mouse NOT a Buttock-cursor for flabbing across buttons the size of a shed.

The Menus appear instantly where they should.

All windows have minimise, close and resize buttons on them.

Not what MS wanted with Windows 8 customers.

But then they don't know that my life consists of more than buying mass produced endless music 60 at a time and garish T-shirts at buy twenty get three free.

I use iClone.
It needs a mouse.
And a professional OS.

:P

There is real danger in the way Microsoft and Apple are abusing content creators right now. They are so locked into the success of tablets and smartphones that they seem to forget one major fact: Without Content + no tablet experience = Nothing to sell.

Apple pulled the plug on the industry standard FCP just to replace it with a premium version of iMove because it it fits the App Store better. Microsoft is ditching the PRO desktop experience only to try to compete with Google in the cloud and with gadgets.

Right now at this moment there is actually not one OS that has full industry support and is focused on Content Creators.

I think Apple and Microsoft will learn the hard way what this means. If you don't show the content creators any love - you'll get NONE back.

Every company right now that is developing tools for content creators - including Reallusion - should really have a serious look at porting to Linux. Linux has taken huge leaps in the last two years. And the GPU manufacturers are starting to realize this and are focusing resources on developing better drivers. I'm an Adobe Influencer and I've been nagging on the developers for years to start developing for Linux. It's a very large investment for them to do so - but they also have to understand that Premiere Pro, After Effects and Photoshop for serious work can not be done on tablets and low powered Ultrabook's. I do think they are starting to get it. Apple and Microsoft have very little interest in supporting companies like Adobe if they don't just do mobile apps.

I would LOVE to see iClone in the Ubuntu Software Center along with software like Lightworks.

Martin Munthe
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Hi Munthe... It was interesting to read what you said about the GPU manufacturers. That was my first thought when I wondered how iClone would cope with Linux. Everything depends on that Graphics Card. So a lot of collaboration pre-hand methinks.

I used to run  Linux machines when I worked for I.C.I. and S.P.E.C.T.R.U.M. back in about 2001 just at the point where the Nations Universities / Colleges realised that they could bypass the loss of millions £$£$ of MS Licenses by the installation of a Linux based server and OS.
I even spoke at length on a regular basis with the Director of I.T. of Heathrow Airtport and at length about secret Linux Mail Servers that had been implemented in their operations.
He said, "This is an instant dismissal offence and in some cases imprisonable, but if my people  are comfortable enough to make Linux testbeds in here, I'm happy to keep a very sharp eye on them."
About ten months later all Universities had converted to Linux backend.

Wasn't Linux was modelled on the Unix OS which was coded by Dennis Ritchie & Thompson of AT&T. I think they were a part of AT&T, no?  So AT&T are Landmarkers. 
It ran the largest network on the planet, the AT&T 'phone system, and it did with medals.
Being written as open source I always wondered why it was never commercialised more since then.

Though, that said, on the shelves of WHSmiths  Linux sat beside Windows on the shelves.

I enjoyed working in Linux primarily because if anything crashed it simply cleaned down and auto-recompiled again. No stalling.

The two traits I read about on the web at the moment regarding psychology are....
WINDOWS users are disgruntled about being treated like eternal e-shoppers. They feel as if their incomes are now endlessly being nibbled at with apps and music tracks by the thousand as if their life consists of nothing more.  
MAC enthusiasts are getting demoralised by looking around and seeing everybody else has a phone like theirs, a tablet like theirs, a Tshirt like theirs, an I-prefixed something like theirs and the rumble in those psychologies from them both are a sensation of "not being an individual anymore" but rather treated patronisingly into conforming to look like a walking commercial and live like one.

I think someone forgot people aren't binary.

There are two breakaway organisations at the moment researching opposing psychologies to the nonsense of MAC and WINDOWS social "en-masse" insults to the current so assumed "hot" tactics and, oddly, one of them is within Linux strategies.
Last month I read about this and wondered if it would be a storm or failure.

We shall see.

Armstrong.

Guess they wanted to support touchscreen computers, but I always go back to "the old way".

Too many "bright ideas" these days which backfires on getting things done, if you ask me.

Looked at Windows 8 UI in a computer section and saw nothing useful for me in it.

All I thought was if iClone runs better on this new OS thing or it's going to require extra clicks to get going. Not to mention if my huge software collection have a chance there. Like an older music program which is supposed to crash save, but Windows 7 already tagged it impossible ahead of time and the program reports "file is corrupt!" :w00t:

My mother got a laptop last year and the first complaint was that she couldn't use the "mouse pad" and I suggested an extra "old style" mouse. Facebook and other places sort of collapses when it takes ages to click your way to a virtual keyboard or some other odd procedure to get to it as we used to.

:D

http://www.youtube.com/user/elektron2kim?

For those who don't know. I have tested windows 8 and it is working great! fast boot up time and instant on! Both Windows 8 standard 64bit and windows 8 pro can go back to windows 7 desktop mode. So I don't see a need in installing other 3rd party application for that. the only windows 8 version that don't have old desktop mode is windows RT! which is in current windows tablet. Windows RT is a mobile dumb down version of windows 8 and that one sucks, you can't even install photoshop on it.

People keep complaining about the new Windows 8 tile, just switch back to desktop mode, it's that simple. And every windows 8 version comes with that except windows RT(tablet version)

Windows 8 has everything in windows 7 including windows 7 desktop mode(minus start menu), and a ton extra stuff. so i don't see any problems with it.

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Windows seven users kept on writing scripts and programs to cut out the "gems" slide in annoyer and the "lock in" hippopotamus-buttock-pressable tiles screen, but every time they did MS wrote out the possibility with each release.

Now that 8 is out, to get to the desktop and use the device like a normal computer instead of a happy-shoppers phone you need programs to add in the missing bits MS took out.

I think the only real people Windows 8 has infuriated are the Creators who need to create, designers who design and the Digital Artists who need the intricacy of Mouse Cursor Control not Buttock-dab-and-hope-we-got-the-tile users.

Once you've managed to get Windows 8 back in obedient control, you can work again. I keep reading the forums internationally and the numbers of disgruntles users AND people asking for refunds on computers in order to go and buy old stock XP devices is phenominal. Microsoft should be horrified.

Armstrong.

I have to disagree with you about Windows RT which I think is excellent for tablets. I have a Microsoft Surface and I can honestly say my old iPad has not been out of drawer since I got it.

And just to make a small correction. Windows RT does have Desktop mode too. Right now you can only use certain apps such as Office 2013 which comes built into RT, plus IE10 and old favourites such as Notepad etc.. Windows Explorer is there too so you can manage your files just as you always have.

For me having Office built in was the major selling point. Being able to work on the go with the touch cover and not have to lug a large notebook around is a winner in my book. I could never do that on the iPad.

                                                                

Peter
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www.reallusion.com

@ Peter,
Windows RT is good for tablet use, but I was talking about PC use. the iPad, I always think it sucked. Had it, and sold it because my samsung galaxy note 10.1 tablet can do so much more and better productivity and multi-tasking. As for windows tablet. I am sure it is better than the iPad but I am waiting for samsung ATIV touch pro with full version of windows 8 or Surface Pro.



@Armstrong
I am a long time windows 7 user and designer and I think windows 8 is not bad at all. Also due to all the touch feature of windows 8, this can be very good for graphic artist too! when buying a convertible windows 8 laptop with touchscreen you have yourself a drawing tablet and computer at the same time!

This is true with the Sony Vaio Due 11. Which is a tablet/PC convertible and Samsung ATIV smart touch Pro which is a tablet/laptop convertible. Both of them comes with full touchscreen support and included a digitizer pen that are pressure sensitve. The pen works like a Wacom drawing tablet pen. But with the Sony Vaio Due 11 and Samsung ATIV touch pro you are getting a PC and a drawing tablet at the same time for cheaper than the expensive wacom graphic tablet! How could this not be great for Graphic Artist? Most designer, game artist, and graphic artist in Hollywood uses graphic touchscreen tablet in 90% of their work. They hardly even touch a mouse. Working in Zbrush for example is best using a touchscreen tablet and a pen. Photoshop is also definitely better with a drawing tablet. Windows 8 is bringing drawing tablet and PC together as one. for graphic artist such as myself this is a dream come true.

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