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By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago
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Dear Developers,
Please be informed that the Export License will be implemented after April 11, 2022 as follows:
- All assets must include an Export License: All assets sold in the Reallusion Content Store and Marketplace must include an Export License after April 11, 2022, with the exception of those assets which can not be exported such as .iTree, .iTerrain, .iSky, .iMtl, .iLflare, .iPkfx, .iEffect, .iAtm, and .ccLightRoom. We urge all developers to add all their assets to the Marketplace with the Allow Export setting enabled, and adjust the Export License price accordingly. Assets that do not carry an Export License will be disabled from Reallusion stores.
- Export License price suggestion: The suggested Export License price should be no more than 1.5 times of the original iContent price/point.
- Export License set by Reallusion: Developers who want to change the Export License price set by Reallusion, will need to contact developer@reallusion.com to make a request. By default, all Export License prices will be set 1.5 times of the original iContent price/point by Reallusion. All store Sitters can also send the above request on behalf of the Content Developers.
- Assets selected by Reallusion without Export License: With assets that are selected by Reallusion for the Content Store, Reallusion will assist with the setting of the Export License price on behalf of the Developer, unless a letter of contention is received before March 31, 2022.
- Assets without Export License: Developer assets without an Export License will be disable from Reallusion’s stores after April 11, 2022. However, Developers can republish again by setting a new price. Please note that all assets will be Export Ready when republished.
The above statement is a disclaimer announcement.
Best Regards, The Reallusion Team
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By One Small Dream - 3 Years Ago
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[b]Peter (RL) (2/25/2022)Export License price suggestion: The suggested Export License price should be no more than 1.5 times of the original iContent price/point.
As a customer, I'm a little confused by the new pricing model. I used to consider Reallusion content a viable alternative to DAZ, but the extended licenses now are NEVER on sale and MUCH, MUCH more expensive than they used to be.
So I see a special promotion to my email for the "Paladin and Darksider" pack for $130 (expensive, but something with many customization options), but extended use license now is $899 and no discount.
The same seems to hold on most content offered on sale. And unlike at DAZ, there is no option to purchase the extended use license after the fact without paying full price on top of the price of the iContent license (if you bought it).
Reallusion's own guideline is that the price should be no more than 1.5 times the iContent price point, however since only the iContent seems to get offered on sale now, effectively the price of the Extended use licenses are now 7 times more than the iContent price. That seems to hold across the content store.
The Extended use licenses are much more expensive than the Export licenses were, and they don't seem to go on sale. An outfit I paid $10 for on sale for the export license, now would cost $36 for the extended use license, which likely would not be on sale.
A content pack I paid $70 for the export license on sale, now costs $398 for the extended use license. Even on sale (which they don't seem to ever be when a content sale is listed), it would be coming out to the list price of the old export license. So prices for the extended use licenses seem to be double or more what they used to be, and don't seem to go on sale.
So the "Paladin and Darksider" bundle is - $130 on sale for iContent or -> $899 for Extended, and you can't upgrade. That's 7x more. The extended use license is over 3x what I recall that pack used to be offered for with the export license.
The other things I looked at from my order history were 5.6 and 6 times more (assuming a sale on the iContent and no sale on the Extended licenses).
Most content seems to have at least doubled in price.
I will continue to use the content I've purchased, but the new pricing model seems to price out Indies / Hobbyest game developers.
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By Sophus - 3 Years Ago
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Yes, it does. At least for individual developers who make their own games and want to sell them. I think the prices could be justified if they would only be required by companies. And single developers could just use the standard license for their projects.
Maybe sales will decline rapidly with the new pricing and Reallusion will have to make an adjustment. We'll have to wait and see.
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By One Small Dream - 3 Years Ago
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Up until a month ago, prices were expensive, but still within the realm of sanity (for indies / hobbyests).
The "new" license model (which is really just the same license model with new labels) tripled the price or more on most content.
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By ValiantShadow - 3 Years Ago
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These new prices are insane. They’re shooting themselves in the foot. I literally cannot use their products for games anymore. I don’t have that kind of money..
I’d almost prefer that they implement a subscription alternative of some sort. Or tiered licensing, depending on how many people are part of your team. Only one person? They should be covered under the standard license.
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By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago
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ValiantShadow (9/2/2022)
These new prices are insane. They’re shooting themselves in the foot. I literally cannot use their products for games anymore. I don’t have that kind of money..
I’d almost prefer that they implement a subscription alternative of some sort. Or tiered licensing, depending on how many people are part of your team. Only one person? They should be covered under the standard license.
Please remember not all content purchased needs an Extended License, even when used in commercial games. Please refer to the chart below.
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By ValiantShadow - 3 Years Ago
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Peter, maybe there’s a communication breakdown. Because I know I’m not the only person struggling with this. Maybe you could just explain it in very simple terms.
Because originally, my understanding of the policy was that if we wanted to use CC-generated characters, with assets purchased from the store (like hair, clothing, etc) in our indie games (which we intended to sell) we would have to purchase an Export License, *and* send Reallulsion an email, letting them know we were using the assets… that we paid for. (For… some reason…) That was annoying and micromanage-y, but at least reasonably priced, more or less.
Now, my understanding of the new system, is that if I want to use CC4 and a bunch of Reallusion assets— clothing and hair, mostly— in a game I intend to sell for money — those assets each require an Extended License. And the extended license costs three times as much money as the standard license, on average.
When I say I can no longer use your products for game development, I don’t mean that I literally cannot use them. I mean that price point is financially prohibitive. Things like scenes and props are not particularly a concern. But $60 plus for a single hair asset, for a bedroom dev? The cost of an entire new AAA game?
Reallusion had the right idea when they (briefly) had everything covered under a single, fairly priced license just a few months ago. But now the decision makers want to gouge us for tons more money, and surprise! Want to use these products in a commercial project? Better be ready to pay a 300% markup!
I recognize that you’re just a community manager, you have nothing to do with these decisions. But I hope you pass along these concerns to people higher up on the chain.
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By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago
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I'm not actually mad at RL about it.
Because a new version comes out every 4-5 years and there is no subscription fee.
I am aware that over such a long period of time, a high income is required for program development and the existence of the company.
However, a limit can be set to cover only individual users. For example, if the sales exceed this limit, you have to pay the extended license fees or you have to pay 20-30 thousand dollars for one time, etc.
Or, let's contact us and give permission to use it with a standard license until you see your earnings.
Because if the game that is put up for sale cannot hold on to the market, individual employees cannot afford these costs.
If he is not a wealthy person, he will not want to take the risk by paying such a high price for these products.
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By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago
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ValiantShadow (9/6/2022)
Peter, maybe there’s a communication breakdown. Because I know I’m not the only person struggling with this. Maybe you could just explain it in very simple terms.
Because originally, my understanding of the policy was that if we wanted to use CC-generated characters, with assets purchased from the store (like hair, clothing, etc) in our indie games (which we intended to sell) we would have to purchase an Export License, *and* send Reallulsion an email, letting them know we were using the assets… that we paid for. (For… some reason…) That was annoying and micromanage-y, but at least reasonably priced, more or less.
Now, my understanding of the new system, is that if I want to use CC4 and a bunch of Reallusion assets— clothing and hair, mostly— in a game I intend to sell for money — those assets each require an Extended License. And the extended license costs three times as much money as the standard license, on average.
When I say I can no longer use your products for game development, I don’t mean that I literally cannot use them. I mean that price point is financially prohibitive. Things like scenes and props are not particularly a concern. But $60 plus for a single hair asset, for a bedroom dev? The cost of an entire new AAA game?
Reallusion had the right idea when they (briefly) had everything covered under a single, fairly priced license just a few months ago. But now the decision makers want to gouge us for tons more money, and surprise! Want to use these products in a commercial project? Better be ready to pay a 300% markup!
I recognize that you’re just a community manager, you have nothing to do with these decisions. But I hope you pass along these concerns to people higher up on the chain.
Hi...
I don't think there is a communication breakdown. I do understand the points you are making, and rest assured your feedback will be passed on for review.
When it comes to CC Components like clothing and hair then yes you will need to pay the Extended License price for the content if it is to be used in a commercial game.
My point was that not all content requires the Extended License so motions, accessories, props plus all the embedded content that comes with iClone 8 and CC4 does not incur extra costs. We also made the Extended License price for many of our popular packs the same price as the Standard License. These include Ultimate Morphs, Realistic Human Skin, Makeup & SFX etc.
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By Wilby - 3 Years Ago
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I would like to ask for clarification. What does this mean for Commercial Characters use?
The Mocap bundle below is availabe for sale with Standard License only and so has restrictions on the "CC Components: use on unlimited commercial characters" usage. Then there is the mention of what an Extended License is which means if a product was bought with that, we can create unlimited number of different Characters across multiple projects and use that particular product. But there is still a limitation: It only applies as long as these different Characters share the same CC Components (This might need further explanation and/or example).
In my very basic understanding, these means the 'Kid's Adventure' Mocap bundle (US$ 99 Sale Price) can only be used for ONE (1) / SINGLE CHARACTER only and would require a re-purchase for every additional different Commercial Character you want to use it with? If I am wrong because these Mocap bundle does not include any CC Components making it usable for more than one Character without the need for a purchase for each different character use, then why not just make it available with Extended License in the store by default?
Furthermore, another confusing part for me here is the inclusion of the sentence "CC Components: use on one specific commercial characters" together with "CC Components: use on unlimited commercial characters" for both the Extended and Enteprise Licenses (Both is checked. See table below.). That sounds contradicting. Here's the definition for One Specific Character: "For example, a hairstyle component can only be applied to one specific character and may not be shared across multiple characters. This specific character can be used in various projects, games, XR, and interactive services as well, as long as it is the same character."
In addition, the License Type of some bundled products can only be determined when you've bought it. For example, see Headshot Plugin Pack below. I expected it will have an Extended License like the rest in the included bundle. Due to this, I realize it it will take extra time to sort out all the products you've bought to see how you can use it. It looks like the safest would be to just stick buying products with same licensing. Then again, ask first what licensing type is available for bundled products. If you're just starting to learn and check out Reallusion software with a plan to someday make commercial products with them, the safest would be to get Extended License.
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By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago
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Animations are not CC components.
The extended license only applies to hair, clothing, etc. valid for cc components such as.
Apart from this, you can use other products that do not have an extended license option, unlimitedly.
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By Wilby - 3 Years Ago
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yepkoo (10/13/2022)
Animations are not CC components. The extended license only applies to hair, clothing, etc. valid for cc components such as. Apart from this, you can use other products that do not have an extended license option, unlimitedly.
That is how I understood it before referring to the EULA and the Content Specifications page. But the information in the Content License Policy page here does not seem to say that and it mentioned number of uses. It's funny I had to make this spreadsheet to try and understand the Commercial License described under EULA. :laugh: Please feel free to let me know if there are any corrections... I want to understand the number of usage allowed too.
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By Wilby - 3 Years Ago
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I tried to digest the license for Commercial Use again but this time, also included the info under the Content License Models table and Notes in the Content License Policy page. The simpler "non-commercial use" parts are again excluded from this analysis as I feel it's not that important. Most customers would probably be interested more in understanding what they will get with the Standard License concerning its Commercial Use aspect. We need to understand first what are CC Components.
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CC Component is Character Creator’s proprietary file format. CC Components include, but are not limited to ccAvatars, ccProjects, ccSliders, ccHair, ccCloth, ccShoes and ccGloves that are used to create, assemble, or customize unlimited characters.
--- With Standard License' Commercial Use for games, XR, and interactive services, a license owner will get the following:- CC Components in characters are allowed for Imagery / General Use.
- CC Components in characters are allowed for Games, XR, & Interactive Online Services use. But one (1) Standard License grants output for only one (1) Single Character. This specific character can be used in various projects, games, XR, and interactive services as well, as long as it is the same character.
- All exportable 3D Assets including Motion, Accessory, Prop, Scene and Material can be deployed for general purpose in Games, XR, & Interactive Online Services.
To anyone interested, here's the updated spreadsheet screenshot that includes Commercial Use information other than just for Games, XR, & Interactive Online Services. "Y" means Yes and "N" means No. "-" means inapplicable. Please correct me if there are wrong entries and what I have misunderstood. Thank you! :)
P.S.: To avoid confusion and for flexibility, it's best to just get an Extended License... unless you only really want to use these software/resources for play and experimentations or video creations. There is no upgrade price for Licenses. You will need to repurchase to get an Extended License even if you already have a Standard License of the same product. I'm not a lawyer so take all of these information with a grain of salt. :P
EDIT: Corrected the CC Components: One Specific Character for the Extended License: Other Uses. Changed from "Y" to "N" as it has no such restrictions on Games, APP / Interactive Online Services, & AR / VR (XR).
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By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago
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Honestly, I didn't feel the need to examine the license in detail since @Peter's many explanations about it are already available on the forum.
Just the following paragraph looks interesting.
I know that we cannot use standard licensed CC components in games.
However, in the following paragraph, I have deduced that we can use the standard licensed products commercially, provided that they are used in a one-off character. In fact, we can use the same character in more than one game, provided that this character is not corrupted.
Maybe I misunderstood.
If there is such a thing, it seems advantageous for individual users who will produce their first games.
Of course, since there is no option to upgrade to an extended license, it is necessary to make sure that the game to be sold can cover these costs.
"CC Components in characters are allowed for Games, XR, & Interactive Online Services use. But one (1) Standard License grants output for only one (1) Single Character. This specific character can be used in various projects, games, XR, and interactive services as well, as long as it is the same character."
It would be nice if this was verified by @Peter.
If this is true and I had known earlier, I could have purchased the (clothing) marketplace product that had been discounted the previous week.
Since I don't know if I can use the clothes that I can use in video production while developing games, I can't buy any of them.
At least for large packages I may not risk, but for small packages I can purchase standard licensed products and use them in video production.
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By Wilby - 3 Years Ago
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yepkoo (10/13/2022)Honestly, I didn't feel the need to examine the license in detail since @Peter's many explanations about it are already available on the forum
Maybe I'm just too old and not that snappy anymore. I just had to read "everything" and look at it at a bird's-eye view to sort of have it "sink" in. :laugh:
yepkoo (10/13/2022)Just the following paragraph looks interesting. I know that we cannot use standard licensed CC components in games. However, in the following paragraph, I have deduced that we can use the standard licensed products commercially, provided that they are used in a one-off character. In fact, we can use the same character in more than one game, provided that this character is not corrupted.
In the EULA page, the "one-off character" clause was NOT mentioned anywhere. That is what confused me earlier as with the below conflicting paragraph therein. But I thought since the clause is indicated under the Extended License section (see below), maybe that version of the Standard License only applies under that license type cancelling out the default one since its not needed anymore when the customer already have an Extended License. :unsure:
"2.2 EXTENDED LICENSE. License Granted. (A) All exportable Contents with a Standard License can be used for a game, APP, or AR/VR project, except CC Component contents. If you use a CC Character in a game, APP, or AR/VR project, which is created by CC Components, you will be required to purchase the Extended License for these CC Component contents. All available CC Component contents are specified on each product page of the Reallusion's Stores."
yepkoo (10/13/2022)Maybe I misunderstood. If there is such a thing, it seems advantageous for individual users who will produce their first games. Of course, since there is no option to upgrade to an extended license, it is necessary to make sure that the game to be sold can cover these costs.
Looks like it... But I think it's case-to-case basis. For newbies or Indies from non-first world countries, even the discounted List Price of a product with a Standard License is already too much. Because they're new to the industry, most will have to take a very high risk of NOT covering their cost of their first game. Failure is quite common. So if someone will ask, I still prefer the popular and friendlier licensing model that shares the risk. :)
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By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago
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Adolf's products are sold with extended license included.
I immediately bought the product (Adventure Combo) that he added to the store because I liked it.
I had to meet the required limit to qualify for the free CTA5.
This product was like a lottery for me :)
I prefer products with extended licenses as much as I can.
I was lucky to have purchased the hair packs earlier.
There are only 3 big packages that I might need.
Campaigns etc. i prefer to wait to see what happens.
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By Wilby - 3 Years Ago
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yepkoo (10/13/2022)Adolf's products are sold with extended license included. I immediately bought the product (Adventure Combo) that he added to the store because I liked it. I had to meet the required limit to qualify for the free CTA5. This product was like a lottery for me :)
Yeah, that looks like an excellent bundle of 3D assets. So detailed and highly configurable and with attached scripts even! :w00t: I want to buy it because I want to support the creator for having Export License available at Standard License price by default for his products... But with limited budget now, I'm focusing first on acquiring the core add-ons/plugins for Character Creator 3 & maybe iClone 7 too. I might have to bypass using iClone 7 though since it got stuck with missing important features (i.e. 3DXchange, Curve Editor, etc.). This will force me to learn using and animating directly in Blender and/or UE5. Maybe that is a good thing in the long run since monetary cost required to utilize them is more affordable. For CTA 5, I decided not to get it even if they're giving it out on promo because it's not my priority right now. It's another system that will require more time and money investment and I can't catch up with the CC & the iClone systems already. :hehe:
yepkoo (10/13/2022)I prefer products with extended licenses as much as I can.
Me too as it's one less thing to worry. How nice it would be to just simply use a purchased asset without thinking whether you can still use it or not due to license restrictions. :rolleyes: I hope there willl also have a nice sale for products with Extended License. I tend to automatically ignore products with only a Standard License.
yepkoo (10/13/2022)I was lucky to have purchased the hair packs earlier. There are only 3 big packages that I might need. Campaigns etc. i prefer to wait to see what happens.
The US$597 asking price for the Extended License for the Hair & Beard Builder Combo is just ridiculously too much in my opinion. Good thing you got a better deal for them in the past. I am also waiting for the upcoming sale and hoping to snag some great deals! "Hoping" is a word that I seem to use too much lately. :laugh:
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By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago
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If it helps, as far as I can see on the Content Store, the Hair Builder package is sold with an extended license at the standard license price.
You can probably get it at a very affordable price with the black friday or new year's campaign.
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By Wilby - 3 Years Ago
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yepkoo (10/25/2022)
If it helps, as far as I can see on the Content Store, the Hair Builder package is sold with an extended license at the standard license price.
You can probably get it at a very affordable price with the black friday or new year's campaign.
Thanks for the notification yepkoo! Yes, I've noticed that and actually been deliberating for a few days now whether to buy it or not. It's torture! :laugh: You see I am considering which is more important now: Wait for Black Friday Sale this November and maybe there will be a "buy 2 get 50% promo" on total purchase like last year and finally be able to upgrade to Character Creator 4 and iClone 8. But If I do that, I have to find alternative way to have custom hair. I can also just delay my upgrade further by purchasing some content now like the Hair & Beard Builder Combo then get CTA 5 too. But I will have to use Blender or UE5 then to create short films/animations. You see, without 3DXchange Pipeline, I'm stuck in my iClone 7 if I want to do the animation therein as I cannot completely import / export some custom models/props/motions. Then again, maybe its better to "beef up" my Character Creator 3 by acquiring remaining major add-ons for it and just use that to produce characters while simply disregarding using iClone 7.
I also read that there are not enough male hair in the Hair & Beard Builder Combo? Is that true?
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By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago
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When you need more than one product and you have to choose between them, it is really frustrating and this happens to me quite often. :D
Yes if you buy the hair pack now you will qualify for free CTA5. So, which program does your workflow mainly involve using?
Your first alternative;
You can already use existing programs with Unreal Engine.
Since you have CC3 pipeline, you can import Hair and clothes from DAZ store.
You may have serious problems with animations. For this, you only have to make do with the animations you will get from the RL stores.
Your second alternative;
Switching to CC4 and iC8 and postponing other necessary content like hair packs for a few months.
It would not be wrong to say that there are huge differences between iC8 and iC7 in terms of convenience. Preparing an animation saves you 70-80% of your time.
You can also animate even if you import a stone to CC4.
Indeed, there is a huge difference between these programs.
I don't want to mislead.
It totally depends on your needs.
But if I were you, I would prefer to upgrade programs for now instead of purchasing content.
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By Wilby - 3 Years Ago
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yepkoo (10/25/2022)When you need more than one product and you have to choose between them, it is really frustrating and this happens to me quite often. :D
You said it right! :laugh:
yepkoo (10/25/2022)Yes if you buy the hair pack now you will qualify for free CTA5. So, which program does your workflow mainly involve using?
I'm planning to stick with 3D for now as I haven't really used my CTA 4 that much in the past. However, the new feature of CTA 5 of being able to directly use vector art is enticing. But I will not be tempted! :D
yepkoo (10/25/2022)Your first alternative; You can already use existing programs with Unreal Engine. Since you have CC3 pipeline, you can import Hair and clothes from DAZ store. You may have serious problems with animations. For this, you only have to make do with the animations you will get from the RL stores.
For now, I still don't use Daz because of their suspicious installer and uninstaller. :ermm: If I can only use animations from the RL store, it will be very limiting, for both the motions library and the cost. I would like to try out more options and also be able to use my existing MOCAP library from other sources. If I can't do that, I might just as well leave iClone 7 and switch to Blender or UE5 for animation. :P
yepkoo (10/25/2022)Your second alternative; Switching to CC4 and iC8 and postponing other necessary content like hair packs for a few months. It would not be wrong to say that there are huge differences between iC8 and iC7 in terms of convenience. Preparing an animation saves you 70-80% of your time. You can also animate even if you import a stone to CC4. Indeed, there is a huge difference between these programs. I don't want to mislead. It totally depends on your needs. But if I were you, I would prefer to upgrade programs for now instead of purchasing content.
The Hair & Beard Combo pack, I think are a time saver so they're good to have. But for me, I agree, I can get them at a much later time. I've been watching all those Youtube videos about CC4 + iClone 8 and it looks like there are really some big improvements. Having no 3DXchange Pipeline, I think adds more reason for me to just upgrade. Here's hoping there will actually be a really nice Black Friday Sale and a superb Year End sale this 2022! :D
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By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago
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The upgrade fee of the CTA5 is not much. Therefore, you can upgrade it at any time.
But I'm not sure if there will be good discounts as other programs are still new.
Even if the 50% discount campaign is valid for these programs, you may need to purchase other products for the same amount.
So if you buy programs for $600, you may need to purchase the same amount of free content.
Of course, 50% discount campaign and if these programs are included in this campaign, it can be very advantageous.
If I have to give advice, I read that you are given a 10% discount coupon when you install the trial version. (If still valid)
You can check this.
Or you can get a 15% premium coupon valid for 1 year for 99 dollars, which can provide you with extra earnings.
More precisely, it is necessary to wait for these campaigns to start in order to see what will happen.
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By Wilby - 3 Years Ago
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yepkoo (10/25/2022)The upgrade fee of the CTA5 is not much. Therefore, you can upgrade it at any time. But I'm not sure if there will be good discounts as other programs are still new. Even if the 50% discount campaign is valid for these programs, you may need to purchase other products for the same amount. So if you buy programs for $600, you may need to purchase the same amount of free content. Of course, 50% discount campaign and if these programs are included in this campaign, it can be very advantageous.
I am referring to the Black Friday Sale last 2021 (see image below). I'm not sure if I understand the promo mechanics correctly. It says if someone purchases 2 or more products in the Software Store -or- 2 items w/ "Black Friday" label in the Content Store, he/she will get 50% Off on the List Price of his/her entire order. So does this mean the discount is applied not on the Upgrade Price of those who already own the old version, but on the higher non-discounted List Price amount?
For example, for the Character Creator 4 and iClone 8 software bundle, the non-discounted price is US$898 and it's upgrade price for me is US$599. If I buy this with 50% Off due to this past promo, I will need to pay US$449 or US$299.50?
I also noticed, when trying to buy this combo bundle, the discounted amount is just the same as when buying CC4 & iClone 8 separately but having discount coupons applied. I thought the discount is bigger due to the combo bundle offer.
yepkoo (10/25/2022)If I have to give advice, I read that you are given a 10% discount coupon when you install the trial version. (If still valid) You can check this. Or you can get a 15% premium coupon valid for 1 year for 99 dollars, which can provide you with extra earnings. More precisely, it is necessary to wait for these campaigns to start in order to see what will happen.
Yes, the 10% Off Trial Discount of either from CC4 or iClone 8 still exist. But you can't use both discount codes at the same time and the final discounted amount is still significantly lower than getting a 50% off. Paying US$99 just to have a 15% off coupon, for me, is not useful as it just counters the discount I will get. :pinch: The Premium membership I think targets those customers with a much higher budget and can actually afford to buy more. I agree, we can only know the details for sure when the actual promo event happens.
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By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago
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No, based on my purchases so far, I can say that the promotions are applied at the discounted list price.
You can even use coupons if you have the right to use extra coupons.
I recommend getting the $99 premium coupon for that.
You can use this coupon unlimitedly for 1 year.
Most likely, you will get back the amount you spent on the coupon with the discount amounts that the coupon will provide. You will have the advantage of having a premium coupon for 1 year from Extra.
Since your shopping will exceed 600 dollars, you can have a 40% elite coupon valid for 1 year, and by combining these coupons the next year, you can buy the product you want with more than 50% discount.
If the programs are $599, you can purchase content for an extra $599.
However, you'll have to spend $599 anyway.
Your advantage is that you can get a lot of content for free, such as the hair pack, etc.
I'm not sure if they will be included in this campaign as these programs are new, but I think they will most likely be included in the campaign.
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By Wilby - 3 Years Ago
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yepkoo (10/26/2022)No, based on my purchases so far, I can say that the promotions are applied at the discounted list price.
Ok, so it's the higher price that gets the discount. That means no significant reward for upgrading when buying at these promotional events as you realize the discount amount is much lower actually. :(
yepkoo (10/26/2022)You can even use coupons if you have the right to use extra coupons. I recommend getting the $99 premium coupon for that. You can use this coupon unlimitedly for 1 year. Most likely, you will get back the amount you spent on the coupon with the discount amounts that the coupon will provide. You will have the advantage of having a premium coupon for 1 year from Extra. Since your shopping will exceed 600 dollars, you can have a 40% elite coupon valid for 1 year, and by combining these coupons the next year, you can buy the product you want with more than 50% discount.
I understand, to acquire the highest discount offer, one must exceed US$600 spending per year. That's more than a price of a medium-specced laptop. I see this type of membership offer is ideal for business entities and successful freelancers with more money to burn. :laugh: I bet extra budget will still be needed for other external software to add to the pipeline like if planning on customizing clothes and hair to make them look more unique. If a business is already earning enough, I can see this membership is viable. But for those just starting out, not so much.
yepkoo (10/26/2022)If the programs are $599, you can purchase content for an extra $599. However, you'll have to spend $599 anyway. Your advantage is that you can get a lot of content for free, such as the hair pack, etc. I'm not sure if they will be included in this campaign as these programs are new, but I think they will most likely be included in the campaign.
That is strange. When I read the Black Friday 2021 promo, I understand it as sort of a buy-1-take-1 promo (but for equally dividing total amount) as there is the word "or" which means it's optional. The customer has the choice to either get 2 software or 2 black friday-marked content to get 50% on the total List Price. He/she may also buy more of course and still get 50% off as long as 2 items from the Software Store or Content Store were bought. hmm... :ermm:
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By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago
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Exactly the same thing I mean.
Buy 2 items and get 50% off.
In fact, because you pay full price for one product, you get the other product for free.
However, if you add the CC4 and iC8 packages to the cart separately, these will be 2 products.
But the bundle is a single product.
I don't know exactly how software purchase discounts work, as I benefit from the campaign by purchasing content.
I understand now.
When you add the $600 and $10 product to the cart, you think that it will be enough to pay 305 dollars.
I don't remember exactly since it's been 1 year but I think I tried it :)
RL adjusts the products you can choose and their prices in such a way that I don't think you will have a chance to buy discounted products with such a big difference :D
But it's worth waiting.
It's been 1 year and I don't remember the product prices at all.
Maybe what you said is true.
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By Wilby - 3 Years Ago
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yepkoo (10/26/2022)Exactly the same thing I mean. Buy 2 items and get 50% off. In fact, because you pay full price for one product, you get the other product for free. However, if you add the CC4 and iC8 packages to the cart separately, these will be 2 products. But the bundle is a single product. I don't know exactly how software purchase discounts work, as I benefit from the campaign by purchasing content.
Ah yes. I just tried playing around with the Cart more and adding each item separately (Character Creator 4; iClone 8) and taking note of the discount. I used the 10% off Trial and 40% off birthday discount coupons. Then making another Cart test by adding the related Power Bundle item for comparison. The 50% Off LP column is just my assumption on a possible 2021 similar Black Friday promo. The "I wish" column is what mostly every "loyal" customer is wishing for. :laugh: There seems to be no advantage buying the Power Bundle over just separately purchasing each software in it when considering coupon discounts. I think there should be as the buyer should still be encouraged to buy both software at the same time and at all times. hmm...
Here's what I got:
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By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago
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Yes, that's a good point.
However, there is another point to consider.
After I wrote these recommendations to you, I realized that there is something about the license that bothers me.
I don't think most people are even aware of a weird restriction in the license as it's written as a footnote.
Therefore, it may be useful to have a look at the following topic.
I asked a few questions that I haven't received answers to yet, and I realized that we may have to outsource the content depending on the situation.
https://forum.reallusion.com/526096/New-Content-Licenses-Explained-Standard-Extended-Enterprise
I always recommend RL programs to people.
A very successful team has developed and continues to develop these great programs.
However, I do not want anyone to suffer financial loss because of my advice. Maybe it would make more sense not to give advice to anyone until the licensing issues are clear.
That's why I had to write this information to you.
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