Kelleytoons (8/3/2018)

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I think one of the questions being raised a lot in that other thread is getting lost -- is the "Essentials" pack different for CC3, or do those of us who already own the pack (for CC2) don't need to buy?  This is pretty critical -- as Dennis points out, the pack itself contains morphs that are used in CC, so we need to know if a rebuy is in order to take advantage of the sale price.

Miranda (RL) (8/3/2018)

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It's the same one, but it's repacked to make it perfect fit for CC3 Base. Everyone who's owned this pack can get it for free. 

Kelleytoons (8/3/2018)

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And perhaps it's just me, but all this "Game" stuff -- does this mean we can use the LOD inside of iClone or is this strictly something that can only be exported and used in a game engine?  That's kind of insanely important to know, because some of us could care less about games but WOULD like to have smaller LOD inside of iClone for crowds.  Nothing in this WIP suggests it's doable inside of iClone.

Miranda (RL) (8/3/2018)

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Hello Everyone!


If you are looking into this powerful character creation tool that will unify the entire animation industry, then do not miss the Character Creator 3 Pre-order Campaign to get the best deals for a limited-time!

*iClone 7 users will get a free copy of the "Character Creator 3 for iClone" edition. See the Edition Comparison Table for more details. 

mrmdesign (8/3/2018)

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I am eyeballing two new machines: A Surface Book 2 - £3000 with an Nvidia 1060 and a Lenovo Yoga 730 - £1500 with an Nvidia 1050. Will CC3 run on the Lenovo Yoga? The Nvidia 1050 in the model I am looking at has 4gb of vram.

leecraigbrown_682333 (8/3/2018)

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I'm currently planning on getting Character Creator 3 when it arrives but I have a question first. If I wanted to use Crazy Talk 8 to create a 3D head using textures of my face, could I then put that head onto a character made in the new CC3? Or would I need iClone as sort of a middle man between the two programs?

Thanks.

toystorylab (8/4/2018)

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What about all the other morphs we bought for CC2 (Tokomotion, ...)?
Will they work??

wires (8/4/2018)

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It appears, not for the first time in RL history, that this update, new SAL version, is raising more questions than answers. Do9 the morph update requirements apply only to the SAL version, or are they also required for the Free version? What about custom user morphs, will they still work?

Question, questions, questions. :Whistling::ermm::unsure:

Peter (RL) (8/5/2018)

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When CC3 is started it will check for any CC1 or CC2 morph sliders and prompt you to automatically convert them for the new scene base model. You can also do this manually if you prefer.

toystorylab (8/5/2018)

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Thanx, seems there is no reason anymore to hesitate buying CC3 pipeline ;)
ONE last question: when does the "early bird" expire?

theschemer (8/5/2018)

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So if we already have the CC Essential Complete Bundle from previous purchases all we need is the $179 version that includes the CC3 Pipeline and the Iray plugin, correct? I originally bought the iClone (not export) version of the CC Essentials and later bought it again in a Studio purchase that included the Export version.
Thanks

theschemer (8/5/2018)

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So if we already have the CC Essential Complete Bundle from previous purchases all we need is the $179 version that includes the CC3 Pipeline and the Iray plugin, correct? I originally bought the iClone (not export) version of the CC Essentials and later bought it again in a Studio purchase that included the Export version.
Thanks

Inkubo (8/6/2018)

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My interest is in importing DAZ characters to animate in iClone. The CC3 advertising materials don't make it clear to me what the benefits of CC3 will be for that use case. Will CC3 make it easier to import and use DAZ characters in iClone? Or will that still be 3DXchange's job?

What CC3 *should* do is make the process easier -- in my tutorials you'll see that an outside program like Blender (free as it is) is needed to "weight" the clothing and get it fitted properly.  I can bring in any Daz clothing in less than five minutes, but that's because I've set up the dummies for Daz properly.  Trying to do this with other clothing like you mentioned might be a LOT harder, and thus something that CC3 ought to really help with (in essence it appears to combine my own process of rigging the "dummies" up by conforming said clothing items inside.

Rami.S (8/6/2018)

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Now this all sounds amazing, i just have a question that was talked about a lot earlier, but not mentioned here.
I know we can import daz characters, but hair was always a problem, not to mention taking it to UE4 for example ... in simple words, can i now also import daz3d hair into CC3, and will it look the same as it does in daz3d when i render it with iray??

Thanks

animagic (8/6/2018)CC3 is a tool to create characters for iClone, so it is unrelated to DAZ characters. You would still use 3DXchange for importing DAZ characters.

mrl (8/6/2018)

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Again, great info (and tutorial)! Thanks so much!

Could Peter or someone else from Reallusion reply and confirm this will be the case?  If so, that's definitely a game-changing feature for me.

Miranda (RL) (8/6/2018)

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Exactly!!

jose_55 (8/8/2018)

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Thank you for the info. So as a current CC2 Pipeline user, I would not get a free update to CC3 Pipeline, I would need
to pre-order the Pipeline version of CC3. Did I get that correct?

According to the webpage: "Character Creator 3 for iClone is a free version for Character Creator (CC2) users. Character Creator 3 Pipeline Edition is a paid version, which is currently having a pre-order campaign." 

TheOldBuffer (8/8/2018)

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WIP 2 Is now live.. :)

animagic (8/6/2018)

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CC3 is a tool to create characters for iClone, so it is unrelated to DAZ characters. You would still use 3DXchange for importing DAZ characters.

Peter (RL) (8/8/2018)

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Actually with Character Creator 3 Pipeline you won't need 3DXchange 7 Pro/Pipeline to import Daz3D characters. CC3 can import Daz characters directly using the new (and previously undisclosed) Transformer feature. The imported Daz character will then become a CC character that is compatible with all CC clothing. The currently supported characters are Daz Genesis 3, 8, Victoria 4, Michael 4 and Hivewire figures.

As an example, here is a Daz Genesis 8 character (Cora) imported and wearing CC Essentials clothing.

Peter (RL) (8/8/2018)

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Actually with Character Creator 3 Pipeline you won't need 3DXchange 7 Pro/Pipeline to import Daz3D characters. CC3 can import Daz characters directly using the new (and previously undisclosed) Transformer feature. The imported Daz character will then become a CC character that is compatible with all CC clothing. The currently supported characters are Daz Genesis 3, 8, Victoria 4, Michael 4 and Hivewire figures.

Peter (RL) (8/8/2018)

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Actually with Character Creator 3 Pipeline you won't need 3DXchange 7 Pro/Pipeline to import Daz3D characters.  CC3 can import Daz characters directly using the new (and previously undisclosed) Transformer feature. The imported Daz character will then become a CC character that is compatible with all CC clothing. The currently supported characters are Daz Genesis 3, 8, 

Peter (RL) (8/8/2018)

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Actually with Character Creator 3 Pipeline you won't need 3DXchange 7 Pro/Pipeline to import Daz3D characters. CC3 can import Daz characters directly using the new (and previously undisclosed) Transformer feature. The imported Daz character will then become a CC character that is compatible with all CC clothing. The currently supported characters are Daz Genesis 3, 8, Victoria 4, Michael 4 and Hivewire figures.

Peter (RL) (8/8/2018)
Actually with Character Creator 3 Pipeline you won't need 3DXchange 7 Pro/Pipeline to import Daz3D characters. CC3 can import Daz characters directly using the new (and previously undisclosed) Transformer feature. The imported Daz character will then become a CC character that is compatible with all CC clothing. The currently supported characters are Daz Genesis 3, 8, Victoria 4, Michael 4 and Hivewire figures.

wires (8/8/2018)

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This is the sort of information that should have been included in the WIP 2 video.

Dragonskunk (8/8/2018)

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The way it's promoted it can do everything and anything.

justaviking (8/8/2018)

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The key word here being, "DAZ3D Characters."

I assume you'll still need 3DXchange to import props and stuff like that that you get from Sketchup Warehouse, Blender, Maya, etc.
After all, there was mention of 3DXchange v8 as part of the long-term plan.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

What used to take advanced skills and was quite a slow and tedious process is now available to all with just a few clicks in CC3 Pipeline.

wires (8/8/2018)

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Not one single second of the WIP 2 video was used to demonstrate how anything shown could be used inside an iClone movie.

Dragonskunk (8/8/2018)

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Once I have a character modeled, the slow and tedious process for me is:
Add a skeleton, weight paint, tweak weight paint till it bends correctly.
Add clothes.
Move the character around.
Notice that the clothes pokes through.
Tweak the weight paint of clothing, move character to test, repeat this step over and over.
Make the over 60 muscle and viseme facial shapes.
Import into iClone to tweak every material to look correct.

So what part of this will CC3 Pipeline handle?

Kelleytoons (8/8/2018)

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I want to hear the official explanation as well, Dennis, but as I understand it (and my understanding dates WAY back in 3D, so it may be hopelessly outdated by now) the whole point of working in quads is they are so much more reliable and easier to work with (for one thing, they subdivide perfectly into -- wait for it -- tri meshes).  So we would want CC3 to have its base as quads for things like the weighting and adjustment, as well as when they go to remesh and combine -- just gives superior results.  As long as you stay within the application, you are fine (and when you have not and when you are using in other places you just go ahead and triangulate).

Again, the idea is you can easily go to tris from quads but NOT the other way around.  But my knowledge could be so obsolete it may not even be worth me typing it here.

Kelleytoons (8/8/2018)

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You could do these:

https://www.daz3d.com/dog-world-fox
https://www.daz3d.com/foxy-lady-add-on-pack-for-the-aiko-cat-girl
https://www.daz3d.com/foxy-and-wolfie-for-genesis

to just name a few (all based on Daz figures which should be supported).

Rampa (8/8/2018)

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LOD has been a standard feature of iClone for a long time. Here is the video frame of it working with a new CC3 character in iClone.

danlcort7 (8/9/2018)

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hi have we pay for update from CC2 TO CC3 or CC3 PIPELINE

Kelleytoons (8/9/2018)

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Even for someone like you it's almost impossible to overstate how important the PAID version of this will be -- let's just talk one feature, the ability to create low-detailed figures for crowds and backgrounds.  Right now even my machine (see specs) is overtaxed when it comes to 8 or more avatars on screen moving around.  With such a low-res feature you could conceivably put dozens or even hundreds of such figures for the price of only one.

So that's not trivial at all and unless your animations never involve more than two characters, I would think you'd want to take advantage of the pre-order price (although that's just me).  You also will gain the ability to use any Daz figures or clothing you want, easily, and that's not something to sneeze at, either (the pricing is MUCH lower for Daz stuff -- hell, you can even use a ton of free stuff around the web).

But assuming you don't need either of these two very important features, the free version of CC3 *ought* to make your figures better detailed and refined, although to take full advantage of that you really need to *start* in CC3 (so not importing and converting).   And, yes, in that case you will benefit greatly (although I predict at some point down the road you will be kicking yourself you didn't save money and get the Pipeline version).

dante1st (8/9/2018)

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It's gonna be nearly impossible to perfectly recreate my cast of characters since I have no idea what exact morphs I've done to her nose, mouth, ears, etc. Never thought to write it down.

dante1st (8/9/2018)

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And that's unfortunate to hear that the visual upgrade only comes with newly created characters in CC3. I was really hoping to take my current avatars or .CCProject files and simply convert them...

toystorylab (8/9/2018)

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That's NO problem, a simple click-conversion will make your CC1 or CC2 avatar a CC3 avatar ;)

Rottenham (8/9/2018)

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I hope I can remember this...

Rottenham (8/9/2018)

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Will CC3 really be able to import DAZ clothing? Any of it? Easily, without a rigmarole? Without a string of conditions to meet? It sounds almost too good to be true.

Dragonskunk (8/9/2018)

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So I was told that I can use a DAZ character in CC3P.
Does that mean all characters from DAZ works with CC3P?
What do I have to make sure about a DAZ character to be able to qualify to be full featured in iClone?
There must be compatibility issues with some models right?

Peter (RL) (8/9/2018)

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Currently the supported characters are those based on Daz Genesis 3 and 8, Victoria 4 and Michael 4 and Hivewire bipedal figures. We should have Daz Genesis 1 and 2 support ready soon as well.

dante1st (8/10/2018)

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I assume the best option is to get the bundle deal for $179.99 that comes with CC3 Pipeline and iRay right? Is iRay another one of those things that's pretty much essential and wouldn't make sense to not get?

dante1st (8/10/2018)

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I assume the best option is to get the bundle deal for $179.99 that comes with CC3 Pipeline and iRay right? Is iRay another one of those things that's pretty much essential and wouldn't make sense to not get?

kmitchell.12catblackstudios (8/10/2018)

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With the new GoZ option can we make better edits to the shape of the character? For instance the shoulders on the character is pretty broad for my style and When I try to bring them in or slum them down the binding of the arms and shoulders go crazy. Will this allow us more freedom for edits? Simular things happens when i try to make the torso shorter than it will allow with the base morphs. Attached is an example of what I mean (please ignore the head as I am working on body style morphs). I shortened the arms more and changed the shoulders to be shorter and changed the torso to be shorter. But this breaks everything when posing. Is this something that will be easier with the GOZ addon

kmitchell.12catblackstudios (8/10/2018)

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With the new GoZ option can we make better edits to the shape of the character? For instance the shoulders on the character is pretty broad for my style and When I try to bring them in or slum them down the binding of the arms and shoulders go crazy. Will this allow us more freedom for edits? Similar things happens when i try to make the torso shorter than it will allow with the base morphs. I shortened the arms more and changed the shoulders to be shorter and changed the torso to be shorter. As stated below the shell edits are limited would this have more flexability in CC3?

Kelleytoons (8/10/2018)

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iRay is completely unknown at this point -- the *very* few things we've been shown have done nothing to convince me it will at all be practical for animation, let alone for even stills. 

Peter (RL) (8/10/2018)
For still images I think everyone will use Iray in Character Creator 3 by default. It becomes second nature because it's so fast. You can load up a pre-set "Studio" setting for indoor, outdoor, specific lighting conditions etc. and away you go. Once you have seen your characters come to life rendered in Iray you won't be able to go back. ;)

wires (8/11/2018)

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As long as the scenes don't have Trees, Terrain, Water or PopcornFX everything should look beautiful.  :D:P:hehe::laugh:

Kelleytoons (8/11/2018)

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But maybe I just don't see that community, maybe they don't come here but are elsewhere and you are familiar with them (as I said, the only such stills I've seen here are just tests and certainly not an "end product" by any means).  RL's products are for animation, and I don't see CC3 changing that any time soon.

animagic (8/11/2018)

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Or is it a DAZ competition thing? 

leecraigbrown_682333 (8/12/2018)

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Thanks for the reply, Peter.

So just to confirm I wouldn't need to buy iClone 7 to use Character Creator 3 and Crazy Talk 8 with each other?

Apologies if I seem confused, I'm fairly new to Reallusion products. 

wires (8/12/2018)

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Based on the (RL) crew comments regarding CC 3 at the moment it would appear that the software is being promoted as a Creation Studio for Game asset producers wishing to sell their fully animated characters to one and all - and make no mistake about it, once the asset is in FBX format it will be sold to the highest bidder well away from any RL controlled store. The ability to present the asset posed in a clinically clean environment, devoid of any semblance of natural surroundings, isn't likely to impress the masses for ever - try and sell a bloody, dirty combat proved soldier standing in something that resembles an urban Livingroom, or worse a Doctors Surgery. :w00t:

As already stated by others, I consider Character Creator to be simply a support element of iClone to create Characters for use in animation - and not for producing pretty pictures. Pretty pictures include, but are not limited to, Trees, Water, Terrains and VFX.

I fully understand the constraints placed on the (RL) crew, tow the line or draw the Dole(1), but it has to be clear that long time iClone users have no interest in Game Production.

(1) Draw the Dole = receive unemployment benefit   

animagic (8/11/2018)

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I'm sure there is a silent majority out there we don't know of...:P

But, yeah, I thought CC is a support application for iClone, which is an animation software...:unsure: It's nice to have Iray in CC, but that couldn't really be the reason. Or is it a DAZ competition thing? 

Tapticc (8/12/2018)

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I've been trying to clarify this myself  - I thought it would be possible to create characters for games for other people to buy in say the Unity asset store but could do with official confirmation 

but it has to be clear that long time iClone users have no interest in Game Production.

Peter (RL) (8/12/2018)

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Selling content outside of the Reallusion stores is currently not permitted.

justaviking (8/13/2018)

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What?

Is there no plausible scenario where a character YOU CREATE can go through CC3 and then you sell it outside of the Reallusion stores?

If you make a character in Blender and rig it, and use CC3 to adjust and fine-tune it, then you cannot sell it on any non-Reallusion locations?

Am I understanding that correctly?  If so, why so restrictive?

Peter (RL) (8/13/2018)

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Hi Viking,

CC3 can't import characters that have a custom bone structure unless there is a "Transformer" profile for them. The currently supported figures for import are Daz Genesis 3, 8, Victoria 4, Michael 4 and Hivewire figures. Daz Genesis 1 and 2 will hopefully be added to that list soon.

However if you create a custom character in Blender and rig it there, then you can of course sell it in any store you like. However you will still need 3DXchange to import it into iClone 7 as you do now. CC3 doesn't replace 3DXchange for import of non-human or non-standard characters with custom bone structures.

RobertoColombo (8/13/2018)

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..trying to post again my question, as the answer, for me, is gating the decision to buy CC3 Pipeline... :doze:

Kiwi-Hawk (8/14/2018)

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I'm becomming a little concernded and confused, I brought the $129 pipline bundle...

Peter (RL) (8/13/2018)

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Hi Viking,

CC3 can't import characters that have a custom bone structure unless there is a "Transformer" profile for them. The currently supported figures for import are Daz Genesis 3, 8, Victoria 4, Michael 4 and Hivewire figures. Daz Genesis 1 and 2 will hopefully be added to that list soon.

However if you create a custom character in Blender and rig it there, then you can of course sell it in any store you like. However you will still need 3DXchange to import it into iClone 7 as you do now. CC3 doesn't replace 3DXchange for import of non-human or non-standard characters with custom bone structures.

Kiwi-Hawk (8/14/2018)

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@JustaViking  (Gotta love that handle (name) man lol)
Thats good to know thank you

Kiwi-Hawk (8/14/2018)

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Kia ora

I'm becomming a little concernded and confused, I brought the $129 pipline bundle and see in a video (some are maybe old, so hard to know) where the essentual bundle (which I aim to get when I can) can only be exported if you own the 3Dxchange package. It feel very deseptive and missleading. I'd hate to buy something I can't use because I need a very expensive add-on package. If I buy Character Creator and the essentuals bundle am I able to create characters clothing armours etc and export ALL those to use in a game engine

pka4916 (8/10/2018)

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It was mentioned already that Iray was faster than Daz3D

animagic (8/14/2018)

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BTW, details are on this page: https://www.reallusion.com/character-creator/game.html. It does talk about texture reduction including the use of a texture atlas (combine all textures in one). That will give additional efficiency.

I may be wrong about LOD, it may work great... but only if it gets a new implementation.

Kiwi-Hawk (8/15/2018)

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Kia ora

Is there a way now that I brought CC3  and essentuals the dumb way seperately (because of money contraints)  to add IR if I choose and what will that cost me to make up the difference please

Tapticc (8/17/2018)

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If we create our own character model outside of CC3 and, using 3DXchange Pipeline to map the bones, can we import the model back into CC3 for further tweaking and finally export it out to FBX to sell outside of the Reallusion store?  Is it just using the Reallusion base models that cause the resale issue?

Peter (RL) (8/18/2018)

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Characters that have a custom bone structure can't be imported into CC3 Pipeline unless there is a "Transformer" profile for them. Currently that means Daz Genesis 3, 8 Victoria 4, Michael 4 and Hivewire figures.

Regarding selling CC3 characters outside of the Reallusion stores, this is not permitted as explained previously.

Peter (RL) (8/9/2018)

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Currently the supported characters are those based on Daz Genesis 3 and 8, Victoria 4 and Michael 4 and Hivewire bipedal figures. We should have Daz Genesis 1 and 2 support ready soon as well.

Peter (RL) (8/18/2018)

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[ Hivewire figures.

Kelleytoons (8/18/2018)

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And there's the official declaration for that (I'm not HUGELY interested -- while I have some Hivewire stuff, it's mostly four-legged which won't be supported.  But the fact that there is a profile for it is very encouraging for the greater community).  And it explains that odd "CC3 compatible" Hivewire image someone posted on the forum somewhere.

Peter, if you import daz caracters and cloting, can you modify them like a cc3 character ?

ChiaPet (17.08.2018)

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The Iray plugin is for rendering still images within CC3 itself. It won't have any effect on the model textures or lighting in engines or applications outside of CC3.

Digiography.Studio (8/19/2018)

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I'm aware that iClone 7 users get Character Creator 3 for iClone for free but I was wondering if current iClone 7 Pipeline users will get an upgrade to Character Creator 3 Pipeline or be required to purchase it?

info_05_81 (8/18/2018)

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what I also like to know, will daz studio caracters be converted to cc3 and, will we be able to animat them in iclone whit Imotion?

Peter (RL) (8/19/2018)

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Currently Daz Genesis,

info_05_81 (8/18/2018)

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Peter, if you import daz caracters and cloting, can you modify them like a cc3 character ?

Kelleytoons (8/19/2018)

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Still just 3 and 8, right?  Or did you get 1, 2 working?

(Only slightly curious -- Daz 1,2 is pretty bad compared to 3,8).

Tapticc (8/18/2018)

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Hi Peter, are we able to create our own transformation profiles?

Kelleytoons (8/20/2018)

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Peter from RL tells us we will be able to create morphs the same way we can do now with CC2, so the answer to all your questions is yes.

_Teto_ (8/20/2018)

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Hi! First post here. I have almost the finger above the "buy button" but I have few questions about CC. My plan is to buy the CC3 + essentials bundle. No need the Iray because I'll render elsewhere. My questions are:
- Can I make my own morphs (with their sliders)? I mean I have a character. I want to add a deformity somewhere, but I want it from barely visible to monstrous. So I can use it on another character if needed. So I need one ore more sliders to have control. Will it be possible to have tools for morphs? I've read that we can do that with ZBrush and import it via GoZ. Is it possible with Blender? Will it be in a near future? I can't afford ZBrush, it's too expensive.
- Can I take your base model, export it, add something (like horns for example) and import it in CC and the standard morphs/sliders continue to work nicely?
- Put another way. I want horns on my characters. So we have the horns, and tormented skin around the base. So I would export my character elsewhere, put the horns, merge them and sculpt the tormented skin around the base. Reimport them. Maybe multiple time in order to create sliders. Will it be possible without having to use ZBrush?
I need clarifications, because if I need something that isn't in the bundle, and I have to buy it in the shop because I just can't do it myself, it will be a solid no-go.
I hope my questions are clear ! ^^'

Peter (RL) (8/20/2018)
Hi...

Morph sliders can be created in any 3D modelling software, you are not forced to use ZBrush.

As already explained you can't add geometry, but you can reshape as you wish. If you need horns on your character then you could add them as an "accessory" which is attached to the characters head. They can still be exported with the finished character.

_Teto_ (8/21/2018)Very last question (I didn't find any answer): Will the license be eternal or I'll have to pay something every year if I want to continue to use it?
Thanks for your patience!

damian.turnbull (8/21/2018)

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This looks outstanding.  I can already see how this will help with our designed wardrobe system.

I only recently bought  iClone 7 + iClone 3DXChange 7 Pipeline and I really hope there is a free upgrade to Version 3.

ChiaPet (8/21/2018)

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Question for Peter (or others in the know about the new CC3): How easy is it to import morphs for Daz models? Can you import the morph files from Daz (I think they are .duf, maybe?)? Or can you export a model from Daz Studio with the morph applied, then import that model as a morph slider to a "base" Daz model you've already imported into CC3? 

Not sure I'm explaining myself well enough here. :) 

Peter (RL) (8/21/2018)

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You can export your Daz character with morphs and the same morphs will be available in Character Creator 3 Pipeline. This also applies to morphs for hair and clothing. 

Peter (RL) (8/21/2018)

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You can export your Daz character with morphs and the same morphs will be available in Character Creator 3 Pipeline. This also applies to morphs for hair and clothing. 

Kiwi-Hawk (8/22/2018)

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I paid the $129 US which turned into $203 NZ and got refunded $129 US and it's seems lost the difference. if you do this via PayPal it will take 3 to 5 working day for your
money which they recive intantly to show back in your bank account. this has turned into the most mess unafordable transaction I have ever made as I remember

TheOldBuffer (8/13/2018)

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Can anyone tell me if the Iray shaders like those sold on daz, can be used in iClone/CC3????

Kiwi-Hawk (8/24/2018)

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On another not while looking through the marketplace and conetent stuff, I see a lot of items the require iClone, is this going to be something we will need to mind
when shopping less we get something we can't use with CC3

Kiwi-Hawk (8/24/2018)

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 the sourcer gear male and female be close to $300 NZ if not more per set for me I'd say (shame thats outta my price range) 

sonic7 (8/24/2018)

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Kiwi ---- I'm guessing P is for 'purchase'

jaxensstore (8/24/2018)

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one ? so is iclone 7 3d exchange still needed to export to unreal or unity ? with the character creator 3 pipeline

Firepro (8/24/2018)

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Seems like an easy question to answer and yet no reply from RL......probably not a good sign.  Will try one more time:

Question:  Will CC3 support HDPI, (high dpi monitors) so the text will not be small when using a high resolution display?

denmengel (8/24/2018)

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Will I be able to use Content Store stuff I already have for CC2?

rjhayle (8/27/2018)

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What date in September is CC3 being released? If it is the end of September can we still get access to a beta?

musicaz (8/28/2018)

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since i own iclone 7 already i dont see the price for Character Creator 3 Essential Bundle ? since iclone 7 users get the base character creator 3 free ?

TalonAnimations (8/28/2018)

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Hi
One of the features among other that has attracted me to the Character Creator 3 is the mention of 3d scan of a model into the workplace.  However it is not being mentioned in the videos WIP1 and WIP2.  
I hope that this feature will not be forgotten.
Regards to all.

musicaz (8/28/2018)

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if i create my own custom avatar in this program is it mine to use commercially ?

Ellessarr (8/30/2018)

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hello, i don't know if this already was asked before but, if i buy any asset (cloths, characters, skins) from real store, i will be able to use it in the CC and put it in my game without need the 3dxchange??? or i have to also need the iclone 3dxchange to export that products to my game?? i can do that only using the CC and free use them in my game??

I means any product which i will buy from the store i will be able to use it to make my games only sing the CC3 or i gonna need another tool like the 3dxchange??? to export it to the engine?

sonic7 (9/1/2018)

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lol .......  well I hope so .....    :P
I've never waited for one of these 'releases' before - so this is a *first* for me!

jaxensstore (9/6/2018)

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ok rl when yall going to reply to us wanting to know release date is  or should we be looking for refunds if we have to look for refunds just give me iclone 7 pipeline and ill make my own lod's  the iray i dont need i can use the iray that comes with unreal 4.20

jaxensstore (9/6/2018)

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ok rl when yall going to reply to us wanting to know release date is  or should we be looking for refunds if we have to look for refunds just give me iclone 7 pipeline and ill make my own lod's  the iray i dont need i can use the iray that comes with unreal 4.20

chrisk414 (9/2/2018)

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Hi,Guys, just became a CC user and I have a couple of important questions.

I have many existing custom characters and I want to make it CC-fied so that I can take advantange of the all CC functionalities.
For the body, I think I throw away my model and use CC body, but for the face, I can't do that. I need to somehow make remap(re-topologize) the geometry to CC geometry.
I saw GoZ that you can go between Z-brush and CC and perhaps I can use Z-brush to remap my head geometry in Z-brush and bring it back into CC??

So my questions are,

1. Is it possible to remap my custom head geometry to CC? If so, could you please explain this can be done?

2. In addition, I also need to bring the head texture map into CC as well. I'm not sure if there is easy way to remap the texture to CC.

Thank you very much for your help and I'm very excited to get my hand on CC3. 

brad_mcmillan (9/6/2018)

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Genesis 3 and 8 can already be imported into 3dxchange, why not cc3?

Rogue Anime (9/6/2018)

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It may already be buried in this thread somewhere, but does the 'GoZ' feature have a working copy of "ZBrush" embedded within CC3, or does it work with an ALREADY INSTALLED version your your own 'ZBrush' ? :blink:Thanks in advance ~V~

Peter (RL) (9/6/2018)

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I think you misunderstand. Daz Genesis 3 & 8 can be imported into Character Creator 3 Pipeline.

When you use 3DXchange to convert Daz Genesis characters you are left with a non-standard character that is not compatible with Character Creator and you can't change the clothing. With Character Creator 3 Pipeline all your Daz Genesis characters will become CC Base compatible and be able to swap clothing and will be compatible with all current CC clothing like the CC Essentials.

GoZ is an interface that allows easy exchange with an already installed version of ZBrush.

damian.turnbull (9/11/2018)

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Is there any concrete information on a release date for CC3 yet?

mebalzer_05 (9/11/2018)

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Do you know if NVIDIA iRay will be able take advantage of the new RTX cards?

Miranda (RL) (8/3/2018)

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Hello Everyone!

Thank you all for your great patience!
We are excited to announce that the Character Creator 3 - Work-in-Progress 2 today!

In Work-in-Progress 1, we looked at how CC3 represents Quality Production. (click to see the related forum thread)
In Work-in-Progress 2, this WIP 2 reveals the breakthrough of how Character Creator 3 (CC3) is centered to complete the 3D game character pipeline for the industry. Other than adding a highly optimized game character base for mobile, AR and VR developers; CC3 also integrates InstaLOD’s model and material optimization technologies to generate game-ready characters that are animatable on-the-fly with multiple LOD outputs.



Visit the Work-in-Progress 2 webpage for full information.

If you are looking into this powerful character creation tool that will unify the entire animation industry, then do not miss the Character Creator 3 Pre-order Campaign to get the best deals for a limited-time!

*iClone 7 users will get a free copy of the "Character Creator 3 for iClone" edition. See the Edition Comparison Table for more details. 

Peter (RL) (9/13/2018)

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Please be aware that the discussion of piracy (the software kind) or any other illegal activity is strictly against forum rules. Please let's keep this thread on topic and discuss Character Creator 3.

justaviking (9/13/2018)

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a) Even if we are talking about it being wrong?  That's not the same as encouraging it, supporting those who do it, or providing methods to accomplish it.

Kelleytoons (8/8/2018)

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Yes, if LOD is in iClone 7.3 we have made a HUGE leap forward (for crowds and even medium shots -- I made a Christmas video this past year for "The 12 days of Christmas" and when I even got up to "8 ladies dancing" I started to have issues (don't get me started on the drummers drumming).  Given the shot we'd have reduced the poly count by at least a factor of 10 if not more (which would have been the equivalent of ONE avatar).  So, hell yes, count me in on this ASAP.

innocia (9/14/2018)

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Will I be able to use my Daz  Genesis 2 character in the CC3 pipeline?

[b]Peter (RL) (9/13/2018) Hi Rogue - As already suggested, please contact Customer Support and explain the problem to them. I'm sure they will be able to sort it out for you.

Peter (RL) (9/13/2018)

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Unfortunately not everyone was so strongly in the opinion that it was wrong. 

tacticious (9/16/2018)

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I didn't see anyone promoting piracy or saying anything to suggest that it was not wrong. The discussion wasn't really even centered around the morality of it, but rather lost in the weeds with false comparisons and attributions. Even so, is that to suggest that having a differing opinion is against forum rules? Discussing granular details of illegal/illicit activity is against most forums' rules, but trying to regulate discussions due to the differing of opinions is... interesting to say the least.

So, as someone who pre-purchased a while ago, I would really like to see some form of update. We're halfway through the month now, and if it's not going to be released this month I'd like to be able to plan on that. My guess is that if there's no solid answer, that means QA hasn't finished on their end, which probably means development hasn't finished either. That in consideration, it seems to me that a September release is a massive stretch. 

Dragoon1996 (9/16/2018)

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hello all, does everyone know what actual date is going to be online? i cant wait to use it hehe.

Dan@3DIM (9/17/2018)

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Do anyone know the day they might release in 09/2018? I was so impatient right now heh

Peter (RL) (9/17/2018)

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Hi... I have answered this already. Please read back a few posts to find the latest information. 

danielswright2311_182877 (9/18/2018)

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So I'm new, I was an old member 5 years ago, this blows my mind, and I'm a gaming coder, but I have a question.

Can we animate each character in this before we export or do we have to use iclone to animate? 

danielswright2311_182877 (9/18/2018)

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Ok, so I can export my character to iclone 7 to animate, then I can re export for character creator to then re export for my game? or can I just export right from iclone? 

Thanks for your Answers.

pwnz7321 (9/18/2018)

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Will Iclone7 be updated to handle Character Creator 3 upon its release. Or will we not be able to transfer our characters from CC3 to Iclone7 for awhile while we wait for Iclone7 to update? I know IRAY won't work until Q4 in Iclone7 but I'm talking just about the updated Characters.

Tapticc (9/18/2018)

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Quick question, what are the benefits of purchasing CC3 for character designers who do bespoke work for other people, if they can't sell characters to individuals?  Most people who hire for a new character want exclusitivity so selling on the Reallusion marketplace isn't an option.

Peter (RL) (9/18/2018)

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Character Creator 3 will allow you to create unlimited characters for use in movies, training videos, games, applications etc. and you can even sell the custom characters you create in our stores. However if you are looking to design and sell the character models directly to customers outside of our stores, then unfortunately CC3 won't be the product for you.

justaviking (9/18/2018)

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Putting a slight twist on this...

Assuming the "customer" owns iClone and the base character...
In that case Tapticc would be charging for his labor to work on the customer's character.  He is not actually selling the character.  So that scenario would be okay, correct?

schmigel (9/19/2018)

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Any news about CC3 launch date?

sonic7 (9/20/2018)

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@Dennis >>> " .... Best advice for TODAY is...  concentrate on good lighting and good textures to make your movies look good, put work into good animation, and concentrate on a good story so people want to watch your movie.  If you don't do those things anyway, ray tracing won't help ... " <<<
Yeah well that's got to be the most practical and sensible advice around.
But that AI de-noiser sounds interesting .... I wonder if a 'premature render', once de-noised, would yield an acceptable 'film grain' look?
*IF* it did - then Iray for animation may be viable? (I've never seen a 'de-noised' iRay image) ....

matrix77 (9/20/2018)

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hi
i am new here but i want to ask if i am a premium plus member and  already own CC2 do i must buy CC3 if i want it or its free for members?
thanks

robbey10 (9/23/2018)

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I must say that I always feel a little bit gypped when you announce a September release and we get a few days before October. I should have known because this is not the first time that this has happened,

robbey10 (9/23/2018)

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I must say that I always feel a little bit gypped when you announce a September release and we get a few days before October. I should have known because this is not the first time that this has happened,

robbey10 (9/23/2018)

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I must say that I always feel a little bit gypped when you announce a September release and we get a few days before October. I should have known because this is not the first time that this has happened,

Isazforms (9/23/2018)

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Sorry, A noob question Will be posible export character Fbx with animations in CC 3 pipeline?

robbey10 (9/24/2018)

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Then take that into consideration before you push people to buy it. I thought this might help clean up some work that has a deadline that has not been the case. At least put where in the month the month it is most likely to come out. Late September release. It is now the 24th, I personally don't consider  September 29 to 30. a "September release" because you won't be able to use it in September.

k.rehimi (9/21/2018)

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From I saw in the promo video all the old features like clothing, morphing avatars are still available, correct?
Does CC3 support a workflow where the head mesh is seperate from the body? I would like to use morph targets for facial animation and I think it would help saving performance if the meshes were devided.
Is it still possible to use send characters to Iclone7 and use MotionLive including Faceware, Kinect and Leap Motion?
When is release? September is almost over....

Thanks for any help. Cheers,
Karim.

robbey10 (9/24/2018)

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I personally don't consider  September 29 to 30. a "September release" because you won't be able to use it in September.

kmitchell.12catblackstudios (9/23/2018)

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Software development is not a thing that can be exactly judged. If you want a really buggy release then yes it can drop on time. But if you want something that has been ironed out then yes that might extend the estimated time. Never rush software releases. That ends bad. They should take their time and release it when they know its stable. Mind you theres no such thing as a perfect release for anything but they can make it better than a rushed release. 

tacticious (9/24/2018)

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What I personally find unnerving is the total silence on the matter.

Peter (RL) (9/11/2018)

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Not at present. We are in the final stages of development but it will depend if testing reveals any major issues that need to be fixed before release.

Kelleytoons (9/24/2018)

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Silly me -- I hope it's not released until it's finished.

But for those of you who want it before that time -- be careful what you wish for.

tacticious (9/24/2018)

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In order:

Peter (RL) (9/16/2018)

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Dragoon1996 (9/16/2018)

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hello all, does everyone know what actual date is going to be online? i cant wait to use it hehe.

I answered this question in the post before yours. Please take a look. :Whistling:

Peter (RL) (9/17/2018)

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Dan@3DIM (9/17/2018)

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Do anyone know the day they might release in 09/2018? I was so impatient right now heh

Hi... I have answered this already. Please read back a few posts to find the latest information. 

Peter (RL) (9/19/2018)

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schmigel (9/19/2018)

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Any news about CC3 launch date?

The release time frame is still the end of September or early October. :)

Peter (RL) (9/24/2018)

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tacticious (9/24/2018)

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What I personally find unnerving is the total silence on the matter.

Are you being serious? If you read through this thread alone you will see I have said numerous times that CC3 is still on course for a late September release. How is that total silence. :ermm:

I guess I got lost in your sea of "I don't know" and missed the most recent post by you. It's a massive stretch to claim that you "have said numerous times that CC3 is still on course for a late September release", though, considering you said it exactly once. Perhaps "total silence" was a bit of a vague statement; I was simply ignoring the fact that a bunch of "I don't know" answers had been posted, and was referring to staff. I apparently incorrectly assumed you were not staff due to your lack of pulse on the development process.

I'm also learning that, unlike 99.9% of threads where statuses are posted, you don't update the original post with updates, but rather expect people to sift through 10-15 people asking "are we on track" to every singular response (which has been "I don't know" up until the one recent response).

In any case, thanks for the... Great? Communication. Your response is right in line with what one could probably expect from someone in your position, which is actually why I kind of assumed you were a community moderator as opposed to actual staff. Linking to a post is out of the question, quoting a post is out of the question, updating the original post is out of the question, and if someone doesn't actually sift through pages upon pages of random chatter to find a needle in a haystack, you're going to be sure to let them know just how inconvenienced you are by their bringing up a lack of communication. Sums up pretty much everyone in any sort of online moderation position nicely.

danielswright2311_182877 (9/25/2018)

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I'm, wondering, If I am finished with a character and I load in animations to the character and export it, will it be animated as a set numbered set of frames or we have to export each animated model per animation. Like it just exports one animation at a time per model?  

Peter (RL) (9/25/2018)

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You can add multiple animations to be exported with the character and each motion clip can be of varying lengths (frames). 

Dan@3DIM (9/25/2018)

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Multiple animations at once?! Oh finally, once a time exporting getting tired on me xD

LookingGlassGraphics (9/26/2018)

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Just saw the first impressions from some fellow developers via the Reallusion Blog . Looks like they enjoyed using CC3. I kinda wish I was able to try out the Beta as well. My question about the Jimmy Toon base was left unanswered as I asked if the base could be converted to a CC3 character so I could place conforming clothes and other assets on the toon? I will find out soon enough though. Feeling excited about the release !!

robbey10 (9/26/2018)

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Most people do not expect to use a newborn in a project and to progress work. Therefore, the practical applications of a child's birthdate and the release date of software have so little in common that it renders your argument puerile and moot. Thank you for your input though.

info_05_81 (9/27/2018)

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Continuously pressing that F5 refresh button :) :crazy:
Question; where / how, can we update CC Essential Morphs  Skin to the cc3 version?

Peter (RL) (9/27/2018)

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If you have previously purchased CC Essentials then you should soon receive an email with instructions on how to get your free upgrade to the CC3 version. :)

wungun (9/27/2018)

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You mean i am gonna have to re buy the CC. ESSENTIAL morphs AGIAN????

https://www.reallusion.com/ContentStore/Character-Creator/Pack/CC_Essential_Morph_Skin/default.html

pka4916 (9/27/2018)

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hmm.  the Character 3 extension = 70 Mb.
Don't see the main program?

Vern_S (9/27/2018)

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Keep checking your registered products page. My link finally showed up. CC3 is 2.14 Gig

There server is really bogged down right now. May take some time.  My Morphs and Skin update download is taking FOREVER!

Jbowdoin (9/27/2018)

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any one else having a hard time getting to the member page? I think were crashing the server

Jbowdoin (9/27/2018)

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any one else having a hard time getting to the member page? I think were crashing the server

saavedraerwin (9/27/2018)

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hi guys, i do not have iclone 7, only 6. i only see the "Character Creator 3 Pipeline Extension" download link, i do not see the cc3 base download link. any ideas? thanks!

Ascensi (9/28/2018)

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Was able to download it but can't install it - C! yet CC2 is installed and is even seen by the hub. Anyone else having this problem?

danielswright2311_182877 (9/27/2018)

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I am, I think I'm off to the store to get a better graphics card, they should know to make there products work for integrated Graphics cards. 

Its not hard to make it work with all graphics cards.

Ascensi (9/28/2018)

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Was able to download it but can't install it - CC2 not found! yet CC2 is installed and is even seen by the hub. Anyone else having this problem?

animagic (9/28/2018)

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This may be an incorrect error message. Did you install the CC3 base program? Download for that is found with your iClone 7 download link on the member page.

Jbowdoin (9/28/2018)

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in my case yes I went to the download link and got the installer . I do have CC2 but I want CC3 pipeline not CC3 free 
I am not sure about Ascensi

danielswright2311_182877 (9/27/2018)

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I am, I think I'm off to the store to get a better graphics card, they should know to make there products work for integrated Graphics cards. 

Its not hard to make it work with all graphics cards.

jaxensstore (9/27/2018)

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ok so yall release cc3 but what happen to cc2 why  is it not update to cc3 instead cc3 is installed as  as  a defrent software instead of updateding cc2  now i starting feel like all the packs i got from market place was  a wast of my money by not waiting 9 months before buying anything from yall rl 

saavedraerwin (9/27/2018)

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hi guys, i'm unable to install.. keep getting a "Setup program did not find the Character Creator on your computer" message. any ideas? i am logged into my account in my browser and have the RL updater running. thanks!

wungun (9/27/2018)

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You mean i am gonna have to re buy the CC. ESSENTIAL morphs AGIAN????

https://www.reallusion.com/ContentStore/Character-Creator/Pack/CC_Essential_Morph_Skin/default.html

pka4916 (9/28/2018)

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what resource Pack?
The new Iclone 7.3 Resource pack or is there also a CC 3 Resource pack?

Jbowdoin (9/28/2018)

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I only have the pipeline link in the members page

Jbowdoin (9/28/2018)

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ok now the resource pack is the only link I am missing. is this just a bug?

FastKatt (9/28/2018)

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I have the same (similar?) issue as wungun. I received the link for the CC Essentials upgrade and successfully installed it, but I get watermarks in view ports / render windows and purple sliders for many of the morph sliders.

I've tried activation and 1 click verification. Neither helped. I even tried the buy trial from the help menu and was taken to a shopping cart page listing the morphs with a note that those morphs aren't available for purchase.

Peter (RL) (9/28/2018)

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There does appear an issue where these links are not showing up for some but are there for others. 

I have now sent you a private message with the Resource Pack link. :)

tomcleaver (9/28/2018)

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Are you guys planning on supporting GTX 10 series and RTX 20 series graphics cards for CC3?

danielswright2311_182877 (9/28/2018)

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Ok, so now my cc3 is working but real slow, so I took a little time to test it, till my new graphics card gets here, and I have a real question.

How do I add animations before export?

There are only poses and no place to add animations. 

tomcleaver (9/28/2018)

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Are you guys planning on supporting GTX 10 series and RTX 20 series graphics cards for CC3?

Peter (RL) (9/25/2018)

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You can add multiple animations to be exported with the character and each motion clip can be of varying lengths (frames). 

danielswright2311_182877 (9/28/2018)

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I was told diffrent, that you can load animations to export with each model, I was told this on this thread by Peter.