You don't need to ask for permission for every content you create, but if you wish to sell it, then let us know, so we know you are not abusing our tools to create a Take-Over-The-World-Super-Virus. But if you wish to sell on the Clones2Go, CoolCreators, Amazon.com, Clonebot Zack's Awesome Store (I made that last one up...)
Then go for it! It's your content, your creation, do with it as you like. CoolCreators and Clones2Go has to be responsible to make sure their members selling content on their store are not doing anything bad, and check the quality, guarantee no viruses, or etc etc.

After all, then it is a fact to sell products created with the 3D plugin tools and templates at other stores, without having them first submitted for certification, or as I think the rule says, ANY creation made with the tools MUST be submitted for certification?

I find some confusion here, but I am glad to hear our friend's stores, still can sell their products without having them sold too at the Content Store.   Is it this way?

Then, is it only required those products should be certified?    Or not?

What does the paragraph: "You don't need to ask for permission for every content you create, but if you wish to sell it, then let us know" ?

Please CloneBot explain this a little better!

Mike

Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer

I think what Zack is saying is that if you plan to setup a new 3rd party store, you need to get in touch and explain your plans. Once permission is granted that is it. You don't need to get permission every time you release a new pack, just the one time at startup.

                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com

The new agreement comes into effect from the 22nd May. The dual option should be removed by then but if it isn't only the "Commercial" option will apply. If you were to choose "Non-Commercial", your pack won't make it into the store. (I'm sure a reminder will be sent should that happen though).

                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com

Hi Gorz,

Hopefully Zack's reply will have put your mind at rest over this issue. If you still have any concerns just let us know.

                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com

Gorz

  White Tiger Web Shop is not active anylonger, I don't have the time..             

Permission means that the stores are not sending you malicious material. Like I said, we do not gurantee content sold on 3rd party stores. We do have certification for content sold on Reallusion store, because we have a quality check and assurance testing the materials as well as judging the marketing materials. In the past, we simply advised on marketing materials, now it is part of the certification process to allow content to be sold on the Reallusion Content store, "Ready-for-Market". Better marketing material will help Reallusion market and sale CCD made content.

Certified Content Developers are developers have been certified to use tools to create content, and if they wish, distribute their creations. Reallusion offers a store front where those developers can take advantage of the high traffic that peruse Reallusion content. For this, we ask for profit-sharing, which is typical practice of the 3D animation industry.

Therefore, long story short: Artists are certified by Reallusion to have access to tools, guides, templates, plug-ins, and whitepapers to assist them in development. The quality and reliability of the content is assured by that artist alone.

However, quality and reliability of content sold on the Reallusion store is checked and thus Certified to be on ourstore. But that certification extends to only the content on Reallusion store, not to that artist.

An example story, get out your popcorn...
So if, Clonebot Zack made 5-Bots, sold it on Reallusion store, Reallusion would certify my pack 5-Bots, but if I made a pack called 5-Clones, sold it on a 3rd party site, the Reallusion certification would not extend to that content of 5-Clones, despite having content being sold on the Reallusion storefront. Reallusion can only certify content that has been submitted to us for testing.

The 3rd party sites must do their own form of reliability check for their users, and I am sure they do.

Yes, the Commercial and Non-Commercial option is being removed... When, I am not sure, except it will be before May 22, 2009

Does anyone have any questions about the Commercial Guide? Royalty Free?

Reallusion CloneBot

Helping you to develop, for everyone's benefit

It is easy to see the "ball" bounced back!

There is one clear concept coming out of all this havock:    R.L Certification is a RealValue!

I am proud of it, and that is why I brag about it!  Since the beginning!

So I am NOT planning on reducing my prices because I do think my products are of RealValue, worth all pennies payed for it, and hardly compensating for the long hours, days, weeks and months of loosing sleep, entertainment, peace and even wife appreciation!

But all it means is:  Pride for having done the best possible to get the R.L. Certification!

It is worth the effort!

Miguel Emilio Aparicio - Mike - Apparition

Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer

There are a lot of logical holes in your reasoning!

In one message you write that "named" White Tiger belongs to the shops you feel will not spread viruses and malicious code. In it self true and correct, we try to give only what we would accept our self for the level of payment we request. 

But you write

"Certified Content Developers are developers have been certified to use tools to create content, and if they wish, distribute their creations."

I have never been certified by anyone,  the only thing I did to get hold of the only thing I use, I guess a old plug in. Since the "new one" for what ever reason does not work here. Was to buy iCLone PRO and CrazyTalk.  That allowed me into the CCD resources and gave me a unrestricted DOWNLOAD access to the plugin I am using now.

The only time anybody have talked about me about certification was when RL accepted my giraffe into your shop. That is about as much contact I have ever had with anyone of you. I can see further holes in your argument and a very disturbing future ensnarement of developers and their content. 

My former Korean teacher would say:

- You have a silver tung mr Clonebot... but why is there poison on it? 

In my case I will sit back and wait and see, I am sure RL will find new fantastic ways to restrict, bind and eventually strangle every developer into your own nest. My fear is that you are presently creating a trap for us, get us more dependant and see a magical market, so we don't resist when the final blow comes.  I have been in business for to long to buy your arguments fully. IF THEY ARE TRUE, this look decent for the future, but I am anything but shore of RL:s true intentions.  Basically all of this will strike hardest against the customer who will have in the end a stereotyped and boring content to use. If your silver tung rely message the true intention, then perhaps iClone users have one of the absolutley best possibility to get a diverse and exciting, quickly changing material, suitable for a lot of creative ideas in the world.

I am anything but convinced, the future will tell what will happened and I hope my fear is unfounded, but a snake is calm before the strike!

A very worried

Gorz

  White Tiger Web Shop is not active anylonger, I don't have the time..             

However, in the case of G2 Textures, for example, the thumbs are simply in chronologial order.  It would be great if their were sub-tabs for category....such as War, Business, Present-Day Casual, Sports, Historical, etc. etc.

Right now, for example, if someone wanted a business suit for female......it's so far back in the thumbs, it could easily be missed.

So, just a suggestion.

Alley