iClone 8 is Arriving: New Features Introduction

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By Miranda (RL) - 4 Years Ago

Hi iClone Users,

For iClone 8, we strove to keep strengthening the core values of character animation with Motion Director game-play controls and powerful editing capabilities, such as animation layer editing, bi-directional blending, reach target offset for interactive motion, end effector editing, and more. With the latest innovative update, iClone 8 makes it easy to create animation in an enjoyable and productive manner.

Besides providing a smooth pipeline to mainstream animation and game engines, iClone real-time render has been enhanced. iClone 8 also can connect to NVIDIA Omniverse – a RTX GPU based path-traced render engine, which supports USD (Universal Scene Description) data architecture for collaborative design projects. With it, users will be able to generate commercial-quality visuals directly from iClone 8.

You can check the 3D Character Creation & Animation webpage for more information about presale orders, feature comparison, and FAQs.

The following are the new features revealed in the Part One of Work-in-Progress Preview:

Motion Director – Play to Animate
Motion-based Innovations
Enhanced Real-time Visuals
Performance & Productivity
Real-time / Path-Traced Render with NVIDIA Omniverse

You can check this article for a new feature highlight.

If you are interested in diving deep into the details, you can refer to this document.

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/a8d164d6-7bb1-4e21-8de0-7af1.png

Feature comparison: iClone 8 vs iClone 7

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/cee6f256-876b-407c-90fe-0883.png

If you have further questions, please contact our Support Team, or join the discussion here.

Reallusion Team

By Leowald - 4 Years Ago

All these new features looks so impressive! I'm very excited to try. It looks very easy to use, and the new way to animate with a controler or keyboard like a video game is just awesome!
I wonder if we can do that only on the ground, or on every 3D props, if there is physics...etc.

I love also the fact we can now lock feet or hands more naturally to an object or a character. This is what I wanted so much because the result was not perfect with "Reach to" and limited.

Thanks for the preview and also the hard work from the team to make us a perfect tool to create our dreams :w00t:
I can't wait to watch the part 2!

By animasyoncugu - 4 Years Ago

really cool, more features than I expected, congratulations, I'm very happy to see them now, now please tell us when we can buy this, all these features I think are beyond the imagination of many users. Please announce now, all these features are enough for me, add the remaining features in other updates, how can we wait after seeing this awesome trailer :) love you reallusion

By larrygj - 4 Years Ago

Any idea what pricing will be for current owners of iClone 7, CC3, and 3dExchange Pipeline?

By Data Juggler - 4 Years Ago

The improvements in animation look very promising. The random character movements in an area plus follow will make crowd creation simpler.

I am curious what the actual upgrade price will be, if you can get it for $799 in content purchases. It's kind of a chicken or the egg situation, as I might want different content once I get IClone 8 and found out more about it. I guess you could always buy marketplace points and use them later.

I wish we could beta test early previews.

Spring 2022 is so far off!

By pgibouin - 4 Years Ago

Very promising update for both iClone and CC. The animations tools seem very easy to use. But I’m surprised by the regular upgrade price for existing iClone 7 and CC 3 users : $599 for iClone and CC4 and $699 for new users. Only %100 off and a price which looks more for professionals only users. By the way, we don’t know if users of actual plugins will also a have to pay for upgrade their plugins too like Headshot, SkinGen, PopCorn, etc

What are the prices of iClone 8 and Character Creator 4?

Product	Pre-sale Campaign	Regular Price	Upgrade Price
CC4	Spend $399+, Get CC4 for Free	$299	$249
iC8	Spend $699+, Get iC8 for Free	$599	$499
CC4 + iC8	Spend $799+, Get CC4+iC8 for Free	$699	$599

I hope there will be an « early bird » discount at the release of the versions in Spring 2022.

Keep up the good work Reallusion team !

By animasyoncugu - 4 Years Ago

Why is spring 2022 not a distant date? I was thinking that we can reach iclon 8 in january 2022, can you move the date earlier? I don't know how we can wait patiently after seeing so many features. It's really sad that it's a long date, can you listen to the expectations of users and new buyers on this subject? please

By pgibouin - 4 Years Ago

larrygj (11/2/2021)

Any idea what pricing will be for current owners of iClone 7, CC3, and 3dExchange Pipeline?

The public prices are in the Purchase FAQ:

What are the prices of iClone 8 and Character Creator 4?

Product	Pre-sale Campaign	Regular Price	Upgrade Price
CC4	Spend $399+, Get CC4 for Free	$299	$249
iC8	Spend $699+, Get iC8 for Free	$599	$499
CC4 + iC8	Spend $799+, Get CC4+iC8 for Free	$699	$599

3DXchange disapear and is included into iClone 8. No need to purchase it separatly.

By wires - 4 Years Ago

This looks to be another feature filled upgrade. :cool::smooooth:

Spring 2022 should give the Development team enough time to perfect the features. :)

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

animasyoncugu (11/2/2021)

A rushed release is not going to do any good. There are a lot of new features and rigorous testing is essential.

Every software developer knows that you can't just bring a schedule forward. Be grateful that there is a preview.

By wires - 4 Years Ago

After a quick read of the "What's New" list I noticed that 3DXchange is being discontinued, with import/export added directly within iClone and CC.

In the list of supported import file formats there is no mention of .skp files from Sketchup. Will there be no future support for this file format, and if that is the case will .skp files converted using 3DXchange 7 still be compatible with the new version of iClone when saved as iProps etc.? :Whistling:

By argus1000 - 4 Years Ago

Is there going to be any need of a motion capture suit anymore in iClone 8? (just half kidding)

By rosuckmedia - 4 Years Ago

Excellent work, cool new features.👍👍

Thanks to the RL team😊
Greetings rosuckmedia

By justaviking - 4 Years Ago

wires (11/2/2021)

Excellent question about the SKP files. And if they are supported, which version of SKP files? Ancient ones only or can you import the newest files into iClone?

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

wires (11/2/2021)

I'm not sure if it has been confirmed that .skp support is being dropped in iClone 8 (I will check) but you can certainly continue to convert .skp models using 3DXchange 7 and bring those into iClone 8.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

I think the upgrade prices are unfair.
I purchased the 3DXchange program with iClone 7 and paid a high amount.
It hasn't even been a year since I bought it.
I've also spent more than $200 extra in the past 2 months.

1- You specified a normal upgrade fee of $599. So why is the 3DXchange we purchased not included in the upgrade fee?

2- Also for free copies, you have set this month only.
Why isn't an option active, for example, expenditures made in the last 6 months?

3- Also, in my country, the dollar has a very high exchange rate. High-priced software is usually arranged by Country's currency. You do not have a pricing policy by country. $599 is an exorbitant amount.

I hope you will adjust your upgrade prices to a reasonable amount.
I can never upgrade the programs with the upgrade fees you set.
It was a big disappointment for me.

By JoeGideon - 4 Years Ago

Will CC4 / IC8 finally allow applying subdivision for export to Unreal Engine? Tessellation absolutely does not work (artifacts), and this needs to be addressed before I would consider investing any further in Reallusion products. There's no point in being able to create smooth, beautiful characters if they export as primitive, faceted and blocky.

By facr73 - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/2/2021)

Yeah. In my country taxes are to high too. Hope to see better upgrade options and early access promos too.

By justaviking - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/2/2021)

As long as they are "old" .skp models (unless that has changed) and as long as the models are not too large so they don't exceed the memory limitations of an ancient 32-bit piece of software.

By zxcvbnm22 - 4 Years Ago

Sounds great, very excited to try the new features in CC4 and IC8.

By JIX - 4 Years Ago

Any information about the system requirements available yet?!

By doctorhr2 - 4 Years Ago

So I got a notification about a free upgrade to CC4 and iClone8. Only it's not free is it? And maybe your marketing department need to look up the definition of the word 'free'. Sure, you can get them without specifically paying for them... if you buy a load of other stuff for more money. RL, your products are brilliant but your business models are shady as hell. And only a $50 reduction for upgrades? Considering how much the last iterations cost (including the cost of the now-defunct 3DXChange), you could be a little more generous to your current users surely? A lot of us are indies, not big studios!

By megaoutput - 4 Years Ago

I like the update but i need those updates now how much to buy early ???

By vadim+2 - 4 Years Ago

JoeGideon (11/2/2021)

+1 for this.

By Stefos - 4 Years Ago

larrygj (11/2/2021)

Any idea what pricing will be for current owners of iClone 7, CC3, and 3dExchange Pipeline?

I second that question, if you accumulate $399 now as a new buyer you get version 8 free, so how much will it cost for those who have generally have been investing over the years....it has to be a reasonable upgrade price.

By Stefos - 4 Years Ago

pgibouin (11/2/2021)

What are the prices of iClone 8 and Character Creator 4?

Product	Pre-sale Campaign	Regular Price	Upgrade Price
CC4	Spend $399+, Get CC4 for Free	$299	$249
iC8	Spend $699+, Get iC8 for Free	$599	$499
CC4 + iC8	Spend $799+, Get CC4+iC8 for Free	$699	$599

I hope there will be an « early bird » discount at the release of the versions in Spring 2022.

Keep up the good work Reallusion team !

Expensive, $600 they have to bring out a much better price for those who have been investing in this corp!

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

megaoutput (11/2/2021)

I like the update but i need those updates now how much to buy early ???

You can only buy it when the software is released. No bribing or skipping the line.

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

One useful feature of 3DXchange is the ability to create sub-props, for example for the wheels of a car. Will this ability be carried over to the integration with IC8?

As has been reiterated many times on this forum, 3DXchange has useful functions apart from just importing, so it would be nice to have some more details about the extent of the integration.

I agree with others that .skp should be supported and perhaps some of the newer 3D formats as well (forgot their names).

Pricing is a bit puzzling as in the past the difference between buying new or upgrading was greater percentage-wise For those like myself who have already most content, it would be a tall order to spend $799 in content to be eligible for the free offering.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

Stefos (11/2/2021)

if you accumulate $399 now as a new buyer you get version 8 free,

If you accumulate $399+ you get Character Creator 4 FREE not iClone 8. To get iClone 8 FREE you need to accumulate $699+ (or $799+ for both iClone 8 and CC4 free).

By Data Juggler - 4 Years Ago

I really do not appreciate your misuse of the word FREE, nor is this a smart model for you.

Even with your current model of 60 / 40 on the marketplace, which conveniently changes to 70 / 30 after this is promotion is over, so 40% of $800 is $320.

So the upgrade price for CC 4 and IClone should be $320, nothing more, since that is how much you get if I purchase $800 in Reallusion Points.

I have no use for $800 in content, I didn't have time to make a 30 second video or use half the content already own.

I have more marketplace dollars than I can't spend now, why would I want more?

I hope you rethink this and make it a straight affordable upgrade price, because I doubt very many people will buy enough content to get this free.

Upgrading to IClone 8 is not mandatory

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

Data Juggler (11/2/2021)

I really do not appreciate your misuse of the word FREE, nor is this a smart model for you.

The use of the word FREE is correct when used in the terms of the current pre-sale offer. For example, Spending $399+ in the software store or content store gets you Character Creator 4 FREE. How else can we put it?

And remember that two days ago you could have spent $399+ in the software or content store and got nothing free. :ermm:

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

JIX (11/2/2021)

Any information about the system requirements available yet?!

Detailed system requirements will come later. There is still a lot testing to be done.

By Darren01 - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/2/2021)

3- Also, in my country, the dollar has a very high exchange rate. High-priced software is usually arranged by Country's currency. You do not have a pricing policy by country. $599 is an exorbitant amount.

I hope you will adjust your upgrade prices to a reasonable amount.
I can never upgrade the programs with the upgrade fees you set.
It was a big disappointment for me.

Agreed
Australia's exchange rate
1 US dollar = 1.35 Australian dollars

So to buy IC8 & CC4 at the current exchange rate will cost me over AUD$900.....:crying:

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/2/2021)

Data Juggler (11/2/2021)

I really do not appreciate your misuse of the word FREE, nor is this a smart model for you.

I think it's a different issue, your customers here are old customers and have spent hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars.

They had to be privileged for such a major upgrade.
It would be appropriate to define an expenditure area of at least 6 months, maybe 1 year, not only yesterday, but also for the past.
At least, most companies I buy licenses from do it this way.
Currently, there is no difference in spending between your new and old customers. Those who spend $800 get the programs :)

At the very least, all of the 2021 purchases could have been included, which would certainly have been fair to your customers and would not have lost their enthusiasm to purchase different products.

Yes, I spent a lot of money and I haven't even had the opportunity to use the programs yet.Maybe I should have waited, maybe I should wait until iClone 9, anyway, there will be no difference in terms of payment, right?
Interesting; Anyone who buys iClone 7, 3DXChange, CC3 and Cartoon Animator this month also gets new programs for free.

Never mind the importance of having all the programs.
I made $428 purchases in the last 2 months. Absolutely none of them were needed urgently. I haven't even used any of them. If I had known you had such a policy, I certainly wouldn't have rushed.

A very good plan to delight your new customers. They will both buy a lot of assets and have new free programs.So, do you have a plan to please your old customers as well?After I spent $400 in 2 months, why do I have to spend another $800?I feel punished.

We would have spent the $800 eventually anyway, but not like this.
The product I will buy from now on will be your weekly special discounts at most.

By TonyDPrime - 4 Years Ago

I would encourage thinking of us as investing in our talent, our hobby, our creativity. How many people probably ask of you to dedicate a part of you to their happiness. Well, isn't your art and your happiness important too?
It IS. Your endeavors deserve to be reached, let others know you are proud to invest in your art and that they should take it seriously.

Consider that RL is one of the most progressive and responsive companies out there. They don't set a very high price tag comparatively, and don't set a high learning curve either. You do not need to spend $ on university to gain understanding of the paradigm. It is user-focused.
A company like Epic rolls out there engine free only in the name of game-makers returning % back to them. You either ride someone else's wave or you don't, but Epic itself does not pull you, unless you stand to make a lot of $ for them. In the forum-verse of UE, mostly it is the community that develops products and finds answers, they do not really come from Epic themselves.
But, consider how much time and energy goes into all the educational content RL provides in the name of its user-success. RL drives hard to make their products awesome.

There is much excitement for this release, and if RL profits, encourage it - and most importantly, encourage others to recognize the value of your artistry as well.

By pgibouin - 4 Years Ago

In Europe, for example, upgrade for Cinema4D cost around $900 with taxes and Cinema4D is also an advanced modeler tool, with modeling tools, UV creation, bones and weight system, advanced rigging , painting system, many things wich are not possible in iClone8 or CC4.

I would not understand you charge $600 without any taxe, more than half of the amount for an upgrade for C4D. I really hope existing users will have access to an early bird or discount program to be less than $400 for combo IC8 and CC4 during 2 or 3 months.

please dont forget your loyal customers, I’m an iClone user since version5 and CC 1. Fidelity should be recognized.

By pgibouin - 4 Years Ago

Data Juggler (11/2/2021)

I really do not appreciate your misuse of the word FREE, nor is this a smart model for you.

Upgrading to IClone 8 is not mandatory

Completly agreed especially there is nothing new for Cartoon Animator 4 users. IClone 7 will still make the job to create 3D animations to be used later in CA4.

By TonyDPrime - 4 Years Ago

pgibouin (11/2/2021)

In Europe, for example, upgrade for Cinema4D cost around $1200 with taxes and Cinema4D is also an advanced modeler tool, with modeling tools, UV creation, bones and weight system, advanced rigging , painting system, many things wich are not possible in iClone8 or CC4.

I would not understand you charge $600 without any taxe, more than half of the amount for an upgrade for C4D. I really hope existing users will have access to an early bird or discount program to be less than $400 for combo IC8 and CC4 during 2 or 3 months.

please dont forget your loyal customers, I’m an iClone user since version5 and CC 1. Fidelity should be recognized.

Have you ever gotten Nvidia to lower the price of a successor GPU for you based on your prior-purchase 'fidelity', if so I'd like to know how you achieved this.
Or, has McDonald's, outside of a "Buy one get one FREE" coupon or special promotion, ever granted you a discount meal strictly based on 'fidelity', as in they remembered you, specifically as a prior purchaser, eating there before, so they gave you a discounted-meal...I want to know this too!

By kungphu - 4 Years Ago

Incredible features. I’m curious what this will mean to render time. It’s been a strength of iclone although without much pizazz to the render. The last few updates have really increased render times to the point where I missed a deadline on a 48hr film with many short scenes taking 30/45mins to render less than 60secs of animation. Particle fox and water killed it. Very very curious if there will be enhancements closer to what we see with Unreal????

Oh one other thing…

TAKE
MY
MONEY!!!!!

:):):)

By Warped Reality VFX - 4 Years Ago

Hello, I have a quick question will this feature still be added, one of the most important to get a better render from inside iClone.

Enhanced TAA for Animated Render

There is no mention of it t in any of the posts so far, and congrats on the new release of iClone 8 looking forward to working with the new improvements.
Thank you.

By Data Juggler - 4 Years Ago

I just saved $5,596 + IClone 8 & CC 4 price I was going to buy.

To the person that said 'Has that ever worked to get the price of a GPU lowered?', thank you! I will buy me something nice tomorrow! I need a $1,000 in clothes more than I need a new computer.

I had ordered an Alder Lake PC 19-12900KF (I wanted K is why I cancelled also) from Dell just to get an RTX 3090, and after waiting a week, and seeing the price of IClone 8, I will stick with coding since Visual Studio and SQL Server Express from Microsoft are free.

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/e3125b9e-cf3a-4391-ab3f-ff69.png

By TonyDPrime - 4 Years Ago

Data Juggler (11/3/2021)

If we don't invest or feel our art is worth it, no one else will.
Now we know, you were asking RL to pay for your GPU. Why should RL lower their price so you can pay up for a 3090...
More importantly - would you ever consider asking Nvidia to lower their price to pay for your ability to create art.....Why not?.....Think about it!

By ian_11 - 4 Years Ago

RL have forgotten their loyal customers I have been with RL from iClone 6 surly older customers should get a better deal come on RL. Graphic cards are a totally pointless unfair comparison. The prices of Graphic cards will crash sometime over the next year only caused by Cryptocurrency, Covid19, scalpers.

By FallenNInja - 4 Years Ago

I’m going to have to wait for this to go on sale as the upgrade price is pretty high. Everything looks good though, however I’m also worried as iclone has a history of bad performance, bugs and splitting up features to be sold as add ons. I fell for a lot of their marketing with CC3, a lot of features came up as add ons, lackluster or even pushed to CC4.

By hattori kun - 4 Years Ago

If 3dxchange is dropped, how are new users with no previous versions going to setup custom characters?

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

These comparisons are unnecessary. If you buy a computer, there is a monetary value and you can use it for many different jobs. McDonald's comparison is also unnecessary. We don't pay $800 for a hamburger and I won't eat it if I feel like it.We're talking about having to spend $800 here. I have already spent enough money and I would have continued to spend if there was no such price policy. We would have spent $800 eventually anyway, but being forced to do so is something else.

I don't understand the comparison with Epic game either.
I'm a UE user and I can do a lot of things already in the game engine. They also have gifts of $200-300 each month.
Frankly, I don't even need iClone8 and CC4 right now.
My goal was just to want to use new programs

Of course, reallusion company produces good products and programs and we buy products as much as we can. But we have a budget, and after spending $400 in 2 months, I can't spend another $800 in 1 month. I just don't pay Reallusion company. I buy a lot of programs, music and different licenses. Are old users not spending enough already? Isn't that enough?

What is the fault of your customers who constantly pay you?If I were a new customer, it would be a much more profitable investment than old customers. Don't you think this is a problem?
Also what is the free plugin upgrade announcement?
Will you charge a fee for these later? In other words, will everyone have to repurchase the add-ons they bought?

Is it not a sufficient source of income for your customers to be regular market customers? If you spend $800 on me you will get these programs for free, if you don't you will have to pay $600 later, what kind of policy is it?
Why are the last 6 months or 2021 expenditures not taken into account? Or were we not going to make any further purchases later?

We do not write them here just to read.
There are a lot of reproachful posts on this subject on your Youtube page as well.
If you don't listen to your customers, you will lose more old customers than new ones you will gain.
If it was a one-buy only case, maybe you were right.
But you have a market place store and we are constantly shopping.
So there is a continuity.

The fair thing is to calculate all the spending of 2021 for your old customers and give the programs for free to those who deserve it. We can make up the missing amount.Rest assured, they will spend more than $800 when you expand your marketplace products instead. As long as you don't discourage your old customers.I will no longer shop for my old programs.

Do you want me to compare?

3DCoat:
I bought the program for 100 dollars and after 1 year they gave the top version free of charge, which was sold for 380 euros. The regular upgrade fee is $88. (for the price of 1 in 4)
Microsoft:
I had a windows 7 license.
Windows 8.1, Windows 10 and Windows 11 free upgrade given.
Adobe Substance:
I bought the 2021 program. After 8-9 months, the newly released 2022 version was given for free. I would have even paid the full license money as it has a pricing policy by region.
I upgraded CorelVideo Studio Pro for only 20 euros.
Unreal Engine free (I've received more than $5k in total gifted content so far)
Daz program is already free, they earn from market places shopping.
xenforo forums.I bought it for $160 and all updates for 1 year are free.No matter how many new versions are released, I can get 1 more year free upgrade for $ 50 (for 1 in 3 price) whenever I want.

The list is too long, I can't think of it.
"Reallusion: If you spent money, you have to give more."

My purpose here is not to compare the functionality or purpose of companies or programs, but to show the privileges that companies give to their former customers

By LarryPlane - 4 Years Ago

Upgrade price is way to high. I can't decide if it's a joke or an insult.

RL will lose so many users.

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

hattori kun (11/3/2021)

If 3dxchange is dropped, how are new users with no previous versions going to setup custom characters?

Apparently 3DXchange functionality will be integrated with iClone. How much functionality has not been revealed.

By hattori kun - 4 Years Ago

animagic (11/3/2021)

hattori kun (11/3/2021)

If 3dxchange is dropped, how are new users with no previous versions going to setup custom characters?

Apparently 3DXchange functionality will be integrated with iClone. How much functionality has not been revealed.

Is that posted anywhere? Because I would hold on upgrading to CC3 pipeline this month if CC4 offers both CC and 3dxchange functionality.

By wires - 4 Years Ago

hattori kun (11/3/2021)

animagic (11/3/2021)

hattori kun (11/3/2021)

If 3dxchange is dropped, how are new users with no previous versions going to setup custom characters?

Apparently 3DXchange functionality will be integrated with iClone. How much functionality has not been revealed.

Is that posted anywhere? Because I would hold on upgrading to CC3 pipeline this month if CC4 offers both CC and 3dxchange functionality.

Take a look at this chart for the file import/export features.

By Sifr - 4 Years Ago

Since you are phasing out 3dxchance Pipeline do the people that previously purchased it get an extra discount?

By wires - 4 Years Ago

Sifr (11/3/2021)

Since you are phasing out 3dxchance Pipeline do the people that previously purchased it get an extra discount?

It would appear that with 3DXchange and the Curve Editor being included within iClone 8 there will be no extra discount for users who have already purchased these items. Their sum total is $847.00 compared with the iClone 8 price of $599.00 (without discount for owners of previous versions).

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/dcbef02e-e0c4-4e67-8d59-e7db.png

By ian_11 - 4 Years Ago

This sucks we should have a discount it like we are paying again :(((

By AutoDidact - 4 Years Ago

This upgrade looks great on the Character animation side.

Not really that impressed with the rendering enhancements

Although the motion blur is a welcome enhancement.

Glad to see the retirement of the 32 bit 3Dxchange

and it features rolled into Iclone proper.

and the inclusion of the Curve editor into Iclone basic

is LONG overdue.

The only question for me is would this upgrade eliminate

the need for my external rendering pipeline using Blender?

Well based on what I have seen thus far.. I must say no.

(particularly with the massive speed enhancements of cycles X on all supported systems

even without paying the NVIDIA tax)

But for those who only use Iclone and can afford the upgrade,

Iclone 8 look likes a game changer!!.

By TonyDPrime - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/3/2021)

These comparisons are unnecessary. If you buy a computer, there is a monetary value and you can use it for many different jobs. McDonald's comparison is also unnecessary.

The computer you reference was being purchased only to get the 3090, so real thing to these comparisons was not McDonald's or a computer, but the GPU.
If a user wants a progressive company like RL to discount their product, only so they can buy something else - a GPU - at an extra-exorbitant premium price, then this diminishes that value discussion.
I encourage the thought of making an investment in your art, your craft, and recognizing that your art has worth. As you do you really see how much value you get from RL, which is why the majority of their Youtube comments are of praise.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

TonyDPrime (11/3/2021)

yepkoo (11/3/2021)

These comparisons are unnecessary. If you buy a computer, there is a monetary value and you can use it for many different jobs. McDonald's comparison is also unnecessary.

Wrong comparison.
I use the GPU for create games, editing music, editing videos, create software, building automation systems, and more.
So, is iClone any use for me to write an automation system? Its only task is to create animation.
Of course, only for the characters.Otherwise, item animations, blur etc. I can do most of these very easily with UE anyway.

Also, I asked for privileges for old customers.
I have already paid over $1000.
At least for old customers, the last few months could be calculated.
I have a $1,500-$2000 item on my wish list, but I was going to buy it at different times during the year as my budget wasn't available right now.Telling me to spend $800 in 2 months is easy for those who can afford it.
Now that I can't get the programs, there's no point in purchasing the items on my wishlist anymore.

If all your earnings are to make products with iClone and you do not use a program other than iClone, you are right.I haven't had time to use these programs for even 1 week in total yet.

At the very least, I would have spent $350-400 instead of $800, and I would have already exceeded $800 by the next year.
They could also please their old customers.
Why do I regret spending $400 in 2 months when I had no urgency?
Or for old customers, this figure can be reduced to $350-$400. So who is blocking it?

Also why does this seem like a discount request?I was already spending money and was going to spend it.My only crime was spending my money 2 months in advance?

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

animagic (11/2/2021)

One useful feature of 3DXchange is the ability to create sub-props, for example for the wheels of a car. Will this ability be carried over to the integration with IC8?

Yes the ability to make a sub prop is included in iClone 8.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

wires (11/2/2021)

In the list of supported import file formats there is no mention of .skp files from Sketchup. Will there be no future support for this file format

In the initial release of iClone 8/CC4 .skp and .3ds will no longer be supported. However, it is possible that .skp support may be added back in a future update.

By TonyDPrime - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/3/2021)

TonyDPrime (11/3/2021)

yepkoo (11/3/2021)

These comparisons are unnecessary. If you buy a computer, there is a monetary value and you can use it for many different jobs. McDonald's comparison is also unnecessary.

You are referring to a comparison in a way I was not. I spoke of McDonald's and Nvidia in terms of "fidelity" - a discount given to a purchaser based on prior purchase, not in terms of comparing the actual goods themselves - hamburger to iClone or GPU to iClone.

But I see now -
You state you spent $ while knowing that iClone 8 and CC4 were coming out later, so you were expecting to pay for the next versions.
But it just so happens you are now annoyed that the promotion involves being able to buy content as a means of getting the iC8 and CC4 programs, and because you can't back-apply those purchases already made forward to the promotion which starts now, you are agitated.
Well guess what - consider this applies to every single user who has ever bought anything prior to this specific promotion, not just you. Like, are you annoyed at people who did not yet buy, as they now will get the benefits of the promotion? Because this is how promotions work, they are meant to entice purchase.

This would be like if I, in Week-1, I bought a Big-Mac because I was hungry and I wanted to eat it.
And then Week-2, McD's has a "Buy one Big-Mac get one Free promotion", and then now I'm mad because I'm not getting back-credited towards the promotion in Week 2....
and so I say, "It's not really FREE because you still have to buy one, and also it's not in good-faith because you're not back crediting me for the Big-Mac I purchased outside of the promotion in Week 1.
But really you would be asking McD's to credit-back every single customer who ever bought anything prior to the promotion, as a show of "fidelity".

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

hattori kun (11/3/2021)

If 3dxchange is dropped, how are new users with no previous versions going to setup custom characters?

The features of 3DXchange will be integrated into iClone 8, CC4 or both. So for example features like "Convert To Non-Human" or Convert To Non-Standard will now be built into Character Creator 4.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

I'm not angry with anyone.
This is to satisfy old customers.Let's skip the promotion, even the upgrade fees are excessive.
Yes, when I was buying the programs, I was predicting that iClone 8 would be released in 1 year and I bought it on purpose.
Because I knew the upgrade policies of the companies in the programs I purchased from other companies, I did not anticipate that the RL would behave differently.
Maybe you're right, I made a mistake spending my money.
Let's stop comparing a $1 hamburger to $1,000 expenses. Nobody cares about losing 1 hamburger.
If the hamburger was $800, they wouldn't have given the second hamburger for free anyway.

I bought a GPU, 2 days later they started giving 1 get 1 free. (not possible)
This is a different situation.This can happen with non-software products.
But all the programs and software in the world have an ossified form of sale and upgrade.
It also just speeds up your workload depending on your GPU power.
I can use it on a lower GPU according to my budget, on a higher GPU.

Also, the GPU is something I will use constantly and for everything.
This is called benefit. The benefit is measured.
With iClone you can only compare other programs and sales strategies
There is a huge difference between the benefit of the GPU and the benefit of iClone.
I can do my work without iClone.But I can't do anything without GPU.

If you stay in the desert, the most important thing in the world is food.If you are playing games or dealing with rendering, the most important thing for you is the GPU.
If you notice, you are trying to compare it with something that is mandatory.
If you act with the logic of the products you are comparing, you can also say that the prices stated are low.
That's why I said the comparison is wrong.

Are we going to pay $1000 for the upgrade when iClone 9 comes out?
OK, the company provides us with these programs, thank you.
Well, is it unimportant that we provide financial income to the company?

You said it well. I'm not the only one.
I read that there are people who spent $700-$800 a week ago.
Are they wrong to be upset?
Why weren't the new version announcements made a few months in advance?
Have they just started the new version software?
He needs to do my benchmarking against the GPU so he doesn't feel like he's been wronged.

I'm not going to make any comments anymore, it doesn't make any sense.
You can write whatever you want or think whatever you want.

Have a nice day

By wires - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/3/2021)
Yes the ability to make a sub prop is included in iClone 8.

Good news. :cool:

Peter (RL) (11/3/2021)
In the initial release of iClone 8/CC4 .skp and .3ds will no longer be supported. However, it is possible that .skp support may be added back in a future update.

Disappointing news. :crying:

Peter (RL) (11/3/2021)
The features of 3DXchange will be integrated into iClone 8, CC4 or both. So for example features like "Convert To Non-Human" or Convert To Non-Standard will now be built into Character Creator 4.

Good news. :smooooth:

By Sunglass - 4 Years Ago

Darren01 (11/2/2021)

yepkoo (11/2/2021)

Agreed
Australia's exchange rate
1 US dollar = 1.35 Australian dollars

So to buy IC8 & CC4 at the current exchange rate will cost me over AUD$900.....:crying:

You there are good... in brazil

1 US dollar = 5,67 Real today, but some days can going to 1 = 6 :(

By FallenNInja - 4 Years Ago

My biggest gripe with the upgrade fee is that it does not take into account the add-ons that have been previously purchased separately, now they are included with iClone8.
Don't get me wrong, having less add-ons is better overall, specially for new users that feel duped when buying only iClone just to find out that it is really hard to work with without certain add-ons.
However, iClone8 is now far more expensive than iClone7, one can assume this is because previous add-ons are now built in. 3dxchange, motion live and curve editor are now part of iClone8.

iClone7 owners now receive a $50 discount when purchasing iClone8, another $50 for purchasing iClone7.
If you have purchased any of the aforementioned add-ons, you are essentially paying for them again when you purchase iClone8 as they are not optional.

If Reallusion really wants to take care of those of most loyal customers, they would discount the purchase amount for those add-ons that were already paid for or offer some sort of discount for already owning them. Otherwise iClone8 would be better for older users if they had a version stripped of these add-ons prebuilt and allow us to reinstall them to iClone8.

By planetstardragon - 4 Years Ago

Not defending anything, but I think I understand the logic behind the new pricing - basically it seems that they are discontinuing 3Dxchange and incorporating it into the main softwarez now - so in effect the extra pricing is theoretically meant to offset the discontinuation of 3DX being that they are giving up al stream of revenue. The simple solution would be to make the additional 3Dx infused features a separate upgrade to keep consistent with the affordable / modular approach. which I also guess they are addressing by the pro / pipeline / basic product branding. From this perspective 100 dollars in an upgrade for the integrated 3DX features is a lower cost than the 499 price for 3DXchange as a stand alone. Technically the conflict here is branding, and people not recognizing that iclone 8 pipeline (?) is actually 2 softwarez in 1. I'll avoid pointing out this is probably the marketing department's kerfuffle.

By JIX - 4 Years Ago

I think it´s a big fault to leave the modular approach.

By planetstardragon - 4 Years Ago

JIX (11/3/2021)

I think it´s a big fault to leave the modular approach.

Not necessarily, part of our issues right now is software performance - merging the 2 softwares makes for a more efficient workflow and easier on system resources, but if they don't explain it this way - it's confusing and looks lilke an abrupt change from the modular approach - which it isn't if they presented the new features as a plug in. even though it's not, but for the public to get a better understanding of what they are doing.

By TonyDPrime - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/3/2021)

I'm not angry with anyone.

Maybe you're right, I made a mistake spending my money.

You said it well. I'm not the only one.
I read that there are people who spent $700-$800 a week ago.
Are they wrong to be upset?

This is exactly what it sounds like- people are angry at RL for promoting the release of their product. I mean how crazy is that, right?
And really, we have no way of knowing whether or not any other user is getting iC8 and CC4...
But you know those complaining probably are...AND getting a 3090! They are going to say one thing and then do the other - they will be the ones later using iC8, and CC4, with a 3090, and showing off their art.
So I say embrace it, embrace investing in yourself. When we embrace our art and value it this only this encourages others who are not artists to embrace it and value it as well.

By JIX - 4 Years Ago

Well ... on the other hand, it´s kinda nice (and making things clear) to have the full package, but then, they should offer another update pricing strategy, I guess.

By planetstardragon - 4 Years Ago

TonyDPrime (11/3/2021)

[quote]
So I say embrace it, embrace investing in yourself. When we embrace our art and value it this only this encourages others who are not artists to embrace it and value it as well.

For those of us that have been here a while, we can see where RL is going with this, but for new users that just dropped a small fortune to get started - this can get ridiculously expensive fast when blender is free without any major computer upgrades. - I know, I was one of those new users once and I went bat nip crazy on all of yall when your solution to me was to buy more stuff. 'member ? :w00t:

By jlittle - 4 Years Ago

Peter has stated that the "upgrade" discounted prices will be announced when iC8 and CC4 are released next year.
Any pricing you currently are viewing are not "upgrade" prices but promotional prices and special offers (i.e. buy lots of content get something free).
List price for iC8 is $599 and for CC4 is $299 or bundled is $898.
There also has been no mention of upgrade pricing for plug-in's as of yet.

Jeff

By justaviking - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/3/2021)

wires (11/2/2021)

In the list of supported import file formats there is no mention of .skp files from Sketchup. Will there be no future support for this file format

In the initial release of iClone 8/CC4 .skp and .3ds will no longer be supported. However, it is possible that .skp support may be added back in a future update.

Ouch. :crazy:

wires (11/3/2021)

Sifr (11/3/2021)

Since you are phasing out 3dxchance Pipeline do the people that previously purchased it get an extra discount?

I was thinking the same thing. If you paid extra for something that is now "free" (included in the base product), it would be nice to get some additional discount on your update.

But that is life. I guess you can calm yourself by thinking about how you've benefitted from it (gotten your money's worth) for the past few years. Do you really wish you'd done without those modules? But still, a bit of extra love from RL would be nice.

Lastly.. The price isn't horrible, and it looks like a lot of nice improvements, but I was expecting the existing customer upgrade discount to be greater, maybe closer to 40-50% off.

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

@yepkoo: Adobe Substance is a bad comparison. It became a subscription model, making my pre-Adobe Substance Indie ineligible for upgrades...:crazy: :angry:

Anyway, I think you've made your point sufficiently, so maybe we should go back to the actual topic of this thread, which is about the new features.

By wires - 4 Years Ago

The buy iClone 7 and get iClone 8 for free, and the buy CC 3 and get CC 4 for free sounds too tempting to be true if at the same time customers are being told that they need to spend $xxx.00 to get either or both for free is very confusing - to say the least.

With regard to plugins, the FAQ on this page states:

Will the existing plug-ins be compatible with iClone 8 and Character Creator 4?
If you own the following iClone 7 and Character Creator 3 paid plug-ins, you will get a free upgrade version to be compatible with iClone 8 and Character Creator 4.
- iClone: Motion LIVE Plug-in, all mocap profiles for Motion LIVE Plug-in, iClone Unreal Live Link, PopcornFX, Iray Render Plug-in
- Character Creator: Headshot Plugin, SkinGen Premium Plug-in, Iray Render Plug-in

The water is getting murkier drop by drop.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

FallenNInja (11/3/2021)

However, iClone8 is now far more expensive than iClone7, one can assume this is because previous add-ons are now built in. 3dxchange, motion live and curve editor are now part of iClone8.

Motion LIVE is NOT built into iClone 8. It requires separate purchase, or if you have already bought it for iClone 7 then you will get a free upgrade.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

jlittle (11/3/2021)

There also has been no mention of upgrade pricing for plug-in's as of yet.

Jeff

Hi Jeff

The following plug-ins will get a FREE upgrade for iClone 8/CC4 if you have purchased them for iClone 7/CC3.

iClone: Motion LIVE Plug-in, all mocap profiles for Motion LIVE Plug-in, iClone Unreal Live Link, PopcornFX, Iray Render Plug-in

Character Creator: Headshot Plugin, SkinGen Premium Plug-in, Iray Render Plug-in.

By per.furre - 4 Years Ago

Hello, congratulations to reallusion team on the new iC8 and CC4, looks very promising!

I have one general question regarding control rig system, and imported characters. If it's too early to say or out of scope at this time I understand.

Is there any plan to include facilities for extending the control rig system slightly, say for "non-standard"/odd characters? Such as(examples):
- Biped character with reverse leg, possibly unguligrade leg, like a Faun character
- Character with antennae on head
- Character with multiple arms

To qualify:
The rationale would be that, all of a sudden for particular cases of creature/character rigging, one could opt for iClone as a possibility and not Maya or 3ds Max

in iClone 7, there is already some facility of manipulating extended bones available, but it's difficult to work. User-curated controls for extended bones, with e.g. simple constraints and preferred angles would open up a lot of possibilities.
I would not expect perfection or a solution that is just as elaborate as the built-in control rig from such a facility, just a workable solution, I get completely that human-esque biped characters will be 1st class forever and is probably most in line with expected use of target user.
Just looks to me, with the control rig as-is one would be 80% of the way there.
Maybe such a facility could be included via Python API or something, or (I'm dreaming) modular control rig system.

Thanks for your consideration and any answers!

By PIO C - 4 Years Ago

I agree with you.

To be honest I am seriously thinking of just moving over to unreal and skip out RL and there money machine.

My Mocap suit plugs into Maya and Unreal so I will adjust and make do if they do not know how to look after customers. I have 3dx, CC3 pipeline, Icone 7 pipeline and all plugins apart from particle fx. Forget the talk about integration offsetting the higher price, look after your existing customers or you will not break into the professional market, you be forever a indie, amateur product that pros only use when bespoke isn't necessary.

By Sifr - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/3/2021)

jlittle (11/3/2021)

There also has been no mention of upgrade pricing for plug-in's as of yet.

Jeff

Hi Jeff

The following plug-ins will get a FREE upgrade for iClone 8/CC4 if you have purchased them for iClone 7/CC3.

iClone: Motion LIVE Plug-in, all mocap profiles for Motion LIVE Plug-in, iClone Unreal Live Link, PopcornFX, Iray Render Plug-in

Character Creator: Headshot Plugin, SkinGen Premium Plug-in, Iray Render Plug-in.

What about the Smart Hair & Beard pack, is that considered a plug in? Will it be a free upgrade as well? Sucks I just spent about $565 on Sept 30th. Would have been nice to have this announcement a month ago, or at least a heads up. And what are we going to do to become relevant as a tool to create Metaverse avatars RL, the digital art landscape is changing with places like VRChat and NEOs, what is your license rules for VRM & GLTF export in Unity for 3-D VR avatars. If you allow us to redistribute characters we create using CC in GLTF or VRM the as long as we alter them from the base model the content is locked to the model. At the price you are charging for iC8 & CC4, to continue to have your content locked to a walled garden marketplace doesn't really feel like a good value preposition, it really would be great to actually be a professional content creation suite in every aspect.

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

PIO C (11/3/2021)

To be honest I am seriously thinking of just moving over to unreal and skip out RL and there money machine.

This just disingenuous. Unreal is only free because large production companies pay a hefty fee, so you're basically free-loading.

RL is not a money machine, but a company that has to pay its workers. Or perhaps they should work for free too?

But, by all means, switch to Unreal if that makes you feel better.

By BiggsTrek - 4 Years Ago

Very happy to see Motion Blur is finally incorporated into iClone. YAY!!! :)

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

BTW, giving the tremendous amount of confusion that is always caused by major RL announcements, maybe they should be Beta-tested by English speakers before release...:P

By pgibouin - 4 Years Ago

jlittle (11/3/2021)

Peter has stated that the "upgrade" discounted prices will be announced when iC8 and CC4 are released next year.
Jeff

Anyway, if the regular upgrade price to upgrade to iClone 8 and CC4 is $599 , I would be very surprised the discounted price may be below $400 or $500.

iClone 8 and CC4 are becoming very expansive softwares, compared to iClone 7 and CC3.

Reallusion probably will make modular upgrade price according which plugins users already have. Somebody who have iClone 7 with Live, Curve Editor, PopCorn FX and 3DXchange 7 should pay less than a user who have only iClone 7.

I guess the upgrade prices details will become really messy according several situations.

The very good news is Reallusion keep Perpetual licence and not subscribing obligations.

The purpose for advanced users is to use tools like ZBrush then Blender or Cinema4D to make bones, rigging and then do all the animations into iClone.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/3/2021)

jlittle (11/3/2021)

There also has been no mention of upgrade pricing for plug-in's as of yet.

Jeff

Hi Jeff

The following plug-ins will get a FREE upgrade for iClone 8/CC4 if you have purchased them for iClone 7/CC3.

iClone: Motion LIVE Plug-in, all mocap profiles for Motion LIVE Plug-in, iClone Unreal Live Link, PopcornFX, Iray Render Plug-in

Character Creator: Headshot Plugin, SkinGen Premium Plug-in, Iray Render Plug-in.

Motion Plugins are not included in iClone8, but are required for free upgrade.
Still no mention of 3DX, and no word on how to upgrade for those who still own 3DX. In short, is the 3DX we bought is garbage?

Dear Peter;
At least I can recover CC4.
I don't have only Iray Render Plug-in from the following plugins and if I only buy this plugin, will I get CC4 for free? (If I buy the plugin directly without the bundle)
Character Creator: Headshot Plugin (OK), SkinGen Premium Plug-in (OK), Iray Render Plug-in (NO).
Also, will the free upgrade right we won be written somewhere?
Because there is no official article about it.
I still have hope that there will be a suitable path within iClone.
Let me at least have one of the programs.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

Sifr (11/3/2021)

What about the Smart Hair & Beard pack, is that considered a plug in? Will it be a free upgrade as well?

These are content packs. All your CC3 or iClone 7 content packs will be usable in the new versions.

Sucks I just spent about $565 on Sept 30th. Would have been nice to have this announcement a month ago, or at least a heads up.

Unfortunately whichever date is chosen there will always be someone who purchased just before the offer. Making the announcement a month ago would have caused the same problem for the people who purchased a month before that. This is always the case with any sales or promotions. The same will happen with Black Friday sales. There will always be someone who paid full price for something just before it goes on sale for half price.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/3/2021)

I don't have only Iray Render Plug-in from the following plugins and if I only buy this plugin, will I get CC4 for free? (If I buy the plugin directly without the bundle)

Apologies but I'm not really understanding your questions.

Are you asking if buying the Iray Render Plug-in will get you a free copy of Character Creator 4? If so then sadly the answer is no.

To get Character Creator 4 free you will need to spend a total of $399 or more on software or content. If you purchase the Iray Plug-in the cost will go towards your total but it won't be enough on its own to get CC4. You will need to make further purchases to make the total spent reach $399.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

Sorry, you mentioned that the add-ons will be upgraded for free.
What I understand here is that you will charge upgrade fees for late upgrades within add-ons.
Of course I won't spend $400.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

pgibouin (11/3/2021)

iClone 8 and CC4 are becoming very expansive softwares, compared to iClone 7 and CC3.

Not really if you take 3DXchange into account.

Previously a new customer purchasing iClone 7, Character Creator 3 Pipeline AND 3DXchange 7 Pipeline separately would pay a total of $897 at full price.

iClone 8 and Character Creator 4 (which includes 3DXchange Pipeline functionality) is a total of $898 when bought separately ($699 if bought together at the same time)

As you can see there really is no difference.

By justaviking - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/3/2021)

Sorry, you mentioned that the add-ons will be upgraded for free.
What I understand here is that you will charge upgrade fees for late upgrades within add-ons.
Of course I won't spend $400.

I can attempt to clarify.

If you own iClone and some plug-ins, you do not need to purchase them again when you buy iClone v8.
Your existing v7 plug-in licenses will work with v8.
So you buy iClone 8 and you will get "new" copies of any plug-ins you had purchased before.

But you do not get free plugins which you don't already own. (Except for Curve Editor and 3DXchange which will now be part of iClone and no longer sold separately.)

@Peter - I'm confident in this, but of course I don't work for Reallusion, so correct if necessary.

By planetstardragon - 4 Years Ago

yep, that's a marketing kerfuffle - in effect if you own the plug in - the upgrade is free, if you don't - you have to buy it....strange things happen when you try to add bells and whistles to common sense.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/3/2021)

Sorry, you mentioned that the add-ons will be upgraded for free.
What I understand here is that you will charge upgrade fees for late upgrades within add-ons.
Of course I won't spend $400.

Thanks for clarifying. So yes if you buy the Iray Plug-in now you will get a free upgrade to the iClone 8 and CC4 version.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

Yes, I totally get it now and I'm calmer now. (I guess it's called accepting the situation :)

1- If I shop for $800, we will have 2 free programs.
2- If I wait for the upgrade, I will have to spend $600 for 2 programs.
3- There is no time limit to upgrade the add-ons I have purchased before, if I upgrade the programs after 1 year, the add-ons will still be upgraded for free. (Is it correct?)

I had set a budget of $1500 for next year, but I've given up and will postpone my spending for now. Since I shopped in a hurry, I could not benefit from any of the campaigns. This time I will be quite calm :)
If I wait 1-1.5 years, I think I will have the chance to upgrade the programs at an affordable price.

I can continue my projects with CC3 and IC7 for a long time.
I haven't even been able to use the programs I paid so much money for yet :)

More precisely, the fact that you offered me attractively priced discounts before this campaign started, and that you limited these discount periods to just a few days, caused me to spend the money earlier.
Moreover, I had no plans to purchase any products.

By the way, I really want to congratulate your marketing team.
The smartest peoples I've ever seen :D

By wungun - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/2/2021)

Data Juggler (11/2/2021)

I really do not appreciate your misuse of the word FREE, nor is this a smart model for you.

Well Peter I would Put it like this -
Hey Guys when you Purchase 399+ in content from the Rl store you get a bonus CC4 for free! So that mean you do not have to pay the extra to purchase CC4 but you get it for free!

Hows that? LOL

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

I think I'm getting close to the final amount, a little more left :D

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/e4c358bf-f236-46ac-a0f3-9957.jpg

By pgibouin - 4 Years Ago

BiggsTrek (11/3/2021)

Very happy to see Motion Blur is finally incorporated into iClone. YAY!!! :)

Yes, so am I. IClone 8 seems to become a professional grade animation tool. I think C4D or Blender users will keep their original tools to create or rigg some models and then do all the animations into iClone, faster and easier.

Many kids cartoons on YouTube are made with CA4, I guess we will see the same with 3D and iClone 8.

And a good news, Reallusion keep the perpetual license model and do not go to annual subscription.

Some companies like Maxon who develops Cinema4D hide a subscription obligation by charging $900 EVRY year to be up to date. If you forget to upgrade one year, next upgrade next year is charged $1800.

Reallusion is clear and do not hide any fees obligation to their customers.

By Sunglass - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/3/2021)

pgibouin (11/3/2021)

iClone 8 and CC4 are becoming very expansive softwares, compared to iClone 7 and CC3.

Hi Peter, just a question about you wrote. On my case, think there is someone as me, have bougth all stuffs (3DXchange, curve editor, pop corn, iray, head shot, skin gen). Because that i think all this discussion about the upgrades prices for old costumers. If you look this way you'll note there's a difference.

RL know about the purchase profile of each one. The sales department is fully capable of analyzing cases in blocks, avoiding discontent and complaints and providing necessary feedback. I'm not talking about simple return policies, but really understanding what motivates a complaint. I think they should seriously take into account the precepts of ISO 9001 and even the certification that will take them to another level in relation to their main stakeholders.

You are a global company and in your strategies to conquer more markets, you should also understand at least the values that the dollar represents in each country's economy. For example, Brazil is one of the biggest consumers of games despite the economic problems we have. Market of more than 300 million people who are often unable to purchase their products due to the brutal exchange rate difference.

Just think about it.

By oisilener1982 - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/3/2021)

pgibouin (11/3/2021)

iClone 8 and CC4 are becoming very expansive softwares, compared to iClone 7 and CC3.

There is a big difference because we already own 3DXchange Pipeline and we dont need it in iClone 8.
We are being forced to buy something that we dont even need

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

oisilener1982 (11/5/2021)

There is a big difference because we already own 3DXchange Pipeline and we dont need it in iClone 8.
We are being forced to buy something that we dont even need

If it wasn't included, you would still need an updated version of 3DXchange, as the 3DXchange 7 you own would not be compatible.

For years people have complained that 3DXchange should be integrated, which has now happened, so people complain.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

animagic (11/5/2021)
For years people have complained that 3DXchange should be integrated, which has now happened, so people complain.

Exactly. :Whistling:

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

Pent (11/5/2021)

I can assure you that all the feedback we have received regarding upgrade prices is being reviewed and different options considered. As soon as more is known we will let everyone know.

By JIX - 4 Years Ago

Thank you for keeping us informed, Peter. Thank you, Reallusion.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

Hi Peter, something caught my attention.
Isn't there a certainty for those who shop for $800 for the promotion? What is the guarantee for this?
"Qualified members will be officially announced and contacted via email after the promotional period ends, around January 20th, 2022."
Also, is there a study on promotion limits?
Thank you

By 0oseven - 4 Years Ago

I recall many years ago the company behind "ANTICS" animation program presented users with similar marketng and after evryone sent heir dollars for upgrade and content the company folded. !!
NOT suggesting there is a ANY problem with RI but the question is quite valid.

By 0oseven - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/5/2021)

animagic (11/5/2021)
For years people have complained that 3DXchange should be integrated, which has now happened, so people complain.

Exactly. :Whistling:

Read the IC8 spec carefully and you will see the integrated 3Dexchange is a "limited" version, whatever that means ?. I would like to know and am waiting on reply from support.
Meanwhile perhaps someone here might explain !

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

0oseven (11/5/2021)

I definitely don't think there will be such a problem with RL.
Only one of the conditions was strange to me, the winners are not written, but there is a condition that gives the feeling that there is a lottery.
I know that normally Reallusion systems work completely automatically.

I don't understand why it will be listed on the site and contacted by email.

By 0oseven - 4 Years Ago

When Reallusion says $800 for something I read $1100. In my Australian dollars that is a LOT of money - A few years ago A US$ was = 1 A$ and 800 was 800.
So because of exchange rate, an already expensive software has become even more so !
I understand this may not be an issue with studios / professioanls who can write off against tax but for the hobbyist RI is becoming prohibitive.

Peter (RL) (11/5/2021)

Pent (11/5/2021)

I can assure you that all the feedback we have received regarding upgrade prices is being reviewed and different options considered. As soon as more is known we will let everyone know.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

We're all in the same situation and if there was pricing by country, no one would have this much trouble

I guess my only gain while complaining was getting a reputation on the forum. We reached level 4 :)

By Zeronimo - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/5/2021)

It is true that the standard of living is not the same in all countries and that people in low-income countries are disadvantaged to buy a product sold in USD.

I fully understand the situation and sympathize. You are not the only one in this case.

Adobe can afford to lower the prices in some countries because they are already very profitable products and have millions of users.

Some games have already sold millions of copies and the companies that publish these games have already made a lot of money and can now afford to make a markdown on their software.

Imagine that RL sells its software in Burundi according to the exchange rate:

In Burundi, the average monthly salary is 45,000 BFI that is 23.50 USD.

The exchange rate in Burundi is 1994.70 BIF for 1 USD

To buy the CC4+iClone8 pack at 699 USD they would have to work more than 27 months (without eating, drinking and other expenses)

so much so that for them it is a pharaonic expense.

If RL had to take into account the exchange rate to sell the CC4+iClone8 pack in Burundi, they would have to sell it for $8.

If that were the case, I would manage to get a correspondent in Burundi and ask him to buy the CC4+iClone8 pack for me, and I could even offer him $50 or $100 to thank him.

A very good deal.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

Zeronimo (11/5/2021)

yepkoo (11/5/2021)

It is true that the standard of living is not the same in all countries and that people in low-income countries are disadvantaged to buy a product sold in USD.

I fully understand the situation and sympathize. You are not the only one in this case...

Hi;

You're right about one thing, but I think you need to look at it from a different angle.
Reallusion selling more does not increase its cost. These are digital products. It means it has completely closed its sales to Burundi.

E.g; If 10 people from Burundi pay $800, then 10x800 = $8,000.
But if he prices it by country, say selling at $100, 10,000 people will buy the products instead of 10. That's 10x10.000 = $100,000.

This means more customers and profits for Reallusion.
In addition, the customer potential will increase exponentially as a reference will be created.

Secondly, nobody buys anything from other countries ethically anyway. If anyone tries to take it, it is very easy to detect from the IP number.
Even if you use a VPN, you will not get the benefit and it is very annoying to be constantly connected to the VPN.
Also, the moment the VPN makes the slightest snag, you will be caught.
When you are asked for a license, how can you show it without living in a different country?
This is not something someone who can easily buy the product for their own budget would want to deal with.

In other words, the distribution network can be expanded very easily with a professional website software.

Another way is to agree with dealers in different countries.
Dealers can easily understand purchases from a different country anyway.

Adobe, similar companies or game companies do not make these pricing because they earn a lot.
On the contrary, they do it to earn more.

In your opinion, no matter the price, they will buy these products.
No, very few people buy, RL gives up a huge market of customers.
I just gave the numbers as an example.

A friend of mine saw the programs on my computer and wanted to buy the CTA4.
He gave up when he saw the price.
I was sure he would definitely get it if it was half the price, but right now he doesn't care.
Why would he remember a program he never knew?

Moreover, one of the biggest advantages of RL is that it has its own market.Forget everything, just think that they sell their weekly discounted products to 10,000 people, or think that they sell to 1 million people.They may even stop selling programs for a fee.
Because the programs have a dependency on the market

Of course, the country you give an example is the extreme point.When there are different prices all over the world, it will be $300 in some countries and $500 in others.
So imagine that they have multiplied the number of customers in each country.

When there are many users of the programs in a country, courses related to it are opened.This ensures that they constantly gain new customers.
It also becomes one of the most important programs of the Industrial market in a short time.

Reallusion's programs are truly amazing.
I love it even though I haven't used it yet.
I think they can easily reach millions of people.

By serhan_83 - 4 Years Ago

very expensive. for old users they could get more discount for their loyalty.

By Zeronimo - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/5/2021)

Zeronimo (11/5/2021)

yepkoo (11/5/2021)

It is true that the standard of living is not the same in all countries and that people in low-income countries are disadvantaged to buy a product sold in USD.

I fully understand the situation and sympathize. You are not the only one in this case...

Secondly, nobody buys anything from other countries ethically anyway. If anyone tries to take it, it is very easy to detect from the IP number.
Even if you use a VPN, you will not get the benefit and it is very annoying to be constantly connected to the VPN.
Also, the moment the VPN makes the slightest snag, you will be caught.
When you are asked for a license, how can you show it without living in a different country?
This is not something someone who can easily buy the product for their own budget would want to deal with.

In other words, the distribution network can be expanded very easily with a professional website software.

Another way is to agree with dealers in different countries.
Dealers can easily understand purchases from a different country anyway.

This is no longer the case with Shadow cloud computing.

You can now have a virtual PC in the cloud, travel and work anywhere in the world.

It will be accessible from a desktop, a tablet and even a cell phone.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

Zeronimo (11/5/2021)

This is no longer the case with Shadow cloud computing.

You can now have a virtual PC in the cloud, travel and work anywhere in the world.

It will be accessible from a desktop, a tablet and even a cell phone.

Do you think you can use these programs in the cloud?
There is one GPU issue.
I have a server in France, even if I open photoshop there, it will slow down.

In addition, server and cloud IP numbers can be easily detected.
For example, when I tried to download from the server with my Turbobit subscription, it was blocked instantly.

If there is a cloud available where you can use these programs, I'm sure it will cost more than the programs.

I passed the pricing on a country basis.
There are those who live in the USA and say that the programs are expensive, then there is a problem with the prices, think about us.

Adobe, Movavi, Amazon subscriptions, Epic games, Ubisoft, Netflix, Steam, Origin etc. If companies can easily make country pricing, I think a company that produces advanced programs like Reallusion can do it easily.

Even if such a thing is already in their plan, I know that they will not be able to do it right away due to infrastructure preparation.
All I want is for them to make the upgrade prices more affordable for old customers and accordingly reduce the promotion limits to a level that we can afford.

By Dhawa - 4 Years Ago

Upgrad

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/c8bbf6f5-95e2-4e81-9c9b-1ee5.jpg

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/1e5f3fb1-821f-4977-a0d4-eeb7.jpg

!
Is Reallusion Confused or I am Confused?
See my Dilemma and Reallusion's Dilemma

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/c8981283-2e5e-4880-89db-b231.jpg

By LarryPlane - 4 Years Ago

Okay. So 3DExchange has gone end of life - fine, predictable!

Some limited features will be integrated into iC8 - good, arguably should have happened sooner with 7.9

RL want to charge users for these limited features - not okay!

Just because a company no longer can sell a product and want to integrate it into their main product, doesn't mean they can hike the price.

In this scenario, users are getting less features for more money!

Very uncool!

iC8 should now offer itself as including some features of 3DExchange for no extra cost.

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

The features of 3DXchange are being distributed over iClone and CC, with character-related features going to CC and the remainder to iClone with perhaps some overlap.

Especially the character-importing features have been enhanced beyond what was previously possible with either CC or 3DXchange.

I must say the more people complain the more I'm beginning to like the new setup of iClone and CC.

By LarryPlane - 4 Years Ago

Let's hope you enjoy the price as well!

By ckalan1 - 4 Years Ago

The thing about this whole marketing effort is that it happens during the holiday season. In order to get the "free upgrade," you need to spend $799.00
This might be a nice Christmas present for yourself but even more than that it is a nice gift for Reallusion.
On top of that, you probably won't get your "free upgrade" until next Easter.
I think they could have offered some kind of payment plan that kicks in when the "free upgrade" is delivered. Say, put in your reservation with your payment obligation and then give the customers the option of cancelling the order if the "free upgrade," doesn't prove to be what you were looking for.
If you do not cancel the order within a given amount of time your payment will go through.
Just a thought...
Craig

By e1_scheer - 4 Years Ago

More proof, if you needed it, that the whole company is run by the marketing department.

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

e1_scheer (11/8/2021)

More proof, if you needed it, that the whole company is run by the marketing department.

The marketing department would force RL products into a subscription model...:P

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

It says Actorcore excluded.
So if I buy Homelife motion content, that won't count?
Or is it just for the characters?
I can't buy any combo motion products, is it true?

Or we shouldn't just buy with actorcore's own basket.
Because there is a difference of 45 dollars between the prices.

Example link:
https://www.reallusion.com/ContentStore/iClone/pack/Home_Life/default.html

Update:
I bought motion and the amount is calculated on the promotion page.
There doesn't seem to be a problem.
Since I don't want to pay for cc4 and ic8 separately, I will take advantage of this campaign.

By joao.henriques - 4 Years Ago

A question in the forum since by support ticket I got a really strange reply...

Will the export of body morphs be a possibility in Iclone8? According to the ticket I've open YES!

If so I will spend now 1k in motions and other stuff to get Iclone8 and CC4 free.

Nevertheless... At the same time the reply I got in the ticket was "Yes, export function to Game engines is possible"... So I think Reallusion might be just trying to ripoff sating something that is not true... and if so, its actually serious...
We already know they will not support 100% Daz figures since all of the geocrafts are really not supported at all for exporting to game engines... but at least body morphs should be really easy to implement (or at least be honest and just say that they are not supported)

For a program so expensive (taking in account all the current limitations) at least their support should give more detailed information...

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

LarryPlane (11/6/2021)

Just because a company no longer can sell a product and want to integrate it into their main product, doesn't mean they can hike the price.

There has been no price hike. iClone 7 + 3DXchange 7 Pipeline + Character Creator 3 Pipeline costs the same as iClone 8 + Character Creator 4 (with 3DXchange functionality integrated).

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/9/2021)

It says Actorcore excluded.
So if I buy Homelife motion content, that won't count?
Or is it just for the characters?

Many motion packs are available in both the Content Store and ActorCore. Provided you buy the motion packs from the Content Store they will be included.

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

joao.henriques (11/10/2021)

I think Support may have misunderstood your question. If you are referring to exporting morphs separate from those baked into your character then I don't think that will be in the initial 8.0 and 4.0 release.

However, I will double check in case something has changed and passed me by.

EDIT: I can confirm that exporting body morphs is not possible in the initial release of iClone 8 or CC4.

By JIX - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/10/2021)

LarryPlane (11/6/2021)

Just because a company no longer can sell a product and want to integrate it into their main product, doesn't mean they can hike the price.

There has been no price hike. iClone 7 + 3DXchange 7 Pipeline + Character Creator 3 Pipeline costs the same as iClone 8 + Character Creator 4 (with 3DXchange functionality integrated).

That´s not the point.

How can you justify the upgrade prices? They are the same for all users, without taking into account which tools they´ve bought already ...

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

JIX (11/10/2021)

That´s not the point.

How can you justify the upgrade prices? They are the same for all users, without taking into account which tools they´ve bought already ...

Previously when upgrading from say iClone 6 to iClone 7 you would have to pay to upgrade iClone 7, then 3DXchange 7 Pipeline, and then Character Creator 3 Pipeline if you wanted the full Pipeline experience.

This time around there is no 3DXchange to upgrade as its built in. This obviously makes the price of the base products look inflated but if you take into account 3DXchange you will see the upgrade prices are not much different than before. Remember 3DXchange 7 Pipeline was always the most expensive part of the package ($500).

With iClone 8 and CC4 you can upgrade to both for $599 so again if you take into account 3DXchange pricing you can see why the overall price seems more but it really isn't.

That said, while nothing is finalised yet, I'm sure you will find some good "early bird" offers and bundles available when iClone 8 and CC4 release.

By BiggsTrek - 4 Years Ago

Any word on what Hardware Requirements will be? My old PC can barely handle iClone v6 these days (I blame all the Windows updates as it used to be fine) so if I wish to finally upgrade to the latest iClone, I'll need new Hardware.

I didn't see anything about minimum requirements on the site (maybe I missed it). Any idea?

Thanks in advance!

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

BiggsTrek (11/10/2021)

https://www.reallusion.com/3d-creation/
It's written in the FAQ section at the bottom of the page.

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/10/2021)

That said, while nothing is finalised yet, I'm sure you will find some good "early bird" offers and bundles available when iClone 8 and CC4 release.

It seems like it will be more costly for me if I don't take advantage of this promotion.
Let's say there was an early bird campaign and the upgrade price of all products was determined as $300.
When I buy other products that I need, for example, if I buy the hair and beard set, it will still cost $600 in total.
In other words, it makes more sense to evaluate the promotion in every way.
It also does not give 40% Elite Coupon Codes when we purchase software.
Since there is no regional pricing, my only drawback is the dollar rate, I wish the promotion limit was lower.
The promotion wouldn't be a big deal to me if I had all the content, but I have to take advantage of the promotion.
Also DA points don't count, so be careful.

Peter; Will iClone 8 updates be free until iClone 9 releases?
Also, is further development planned?
For example, body morphs export, PopcornFx export

By BiggsTrek - 4 Years Ago

yepkoo (11/10/2021)

BiggsTrek (11/10/2021)

https://www.reallusion.com/3d-creation/
It's written in the FAQ section at the bottom of the page.

Thank you!!

By LarryPlane - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/10/2021)

LarryPlane (11/6/2021)

Just because a company no longer can sell a product and want to integrate it into their main product, doesn't mean they can hike the price.

There has been no price hike. iClone 7 + 3DXchange 7 Pipeline + Character Creator 3 Pipeline costs the same as iClone 8 + Character Creator 4 (with 3DXchange functionality integrated).

Nope. That is a price hike. Not everything from 3DXchange is being integrated, so it's a selection of features, at the SAME price as ALL of the features.

Your Marketing department should have said we were now getting 3DX for free and included in iClone 8. that would have been the smart thing to do.

By animagic - 4 Years Ago

LarryPlane (11/14/2021)

Peter (RL) (11/10/2021)

LarryPlane (11/6/2021)

Just because a company no longer can sell a product and want to integrate it into their main product, doesn't mean they can hike the price.

There has been no price hike. iClone 7 + 3DXchange 7 Pipeline + Character Creator 3 Pipeline costs the same as iClone 8 + Character Creator 4 (with 3DXchange functionality integrated).

As has been mentioned several times now the features of 3DXchange have been distributed between iClone and CC, wherever they made the most sense. What major feature from 3DXchange is no longer available or doesn't have an equivalent?

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

Could you have a zbrush-like integrated plan for 3D Coat in future updates?

By brothertcoleman - 4 Years Ago

Hey Peter ,I have iClone 7 ,CC3 and the plug-ins ,how much do I have to spend in the content store to get the free upgrades to IC8 and CC4?
I have an idea but just for clarification.

Thanks

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

brothertcoleman (11/27/2021)

Hey Peter ,I have iClone 7 ,CC3 and the plug-ins ,how much do I have to spend in the content store to get the free upgrades to IC8 and CC4?
I have an idea but just for clarification.

Thanks

Hi... To get both iClone 8 and CC4 you would need to spend $799+.

By brothertcoleman - 4 Years Ago

Thanks , I was thinking incorrectly ,so to upgrade to both IClone 8 and CC4 when it’s released ,it will be $599 ?

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

brothertcoleman (11/27/2021)

Thanks , I was thinking incorrectly ,so to upgrade to both IClone 8 and CC4 when it’s released ,it will be $599 ?

That is correct. :)

By Sifr - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (11/30/2021)

brothertcoleman (11/27/2021)

Thanks , I was thinking incorrectly ,so to upgrade to both IClone 8 and CC4 when it’s released ,it will be $599 ?

That is correct. :)

And $399 for both if you already own 3Dxchange Pipeline?

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By JoeGideon - 4 Years Ago

Has Reallusion announced when CC4 and iClone 8 will be released in 2022? What month? Will both be released simultaneously?

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

JoeGideon (12/9/2021)

Has Reallusion announced when CC4 and iClone 8 will be released in 2022? What month? Will both be released simultaneously?

Spring 2022 is the tentative schedule.

By ckalan1 - 4 Years Ago

When Is the First Day of Spring?

In 2022, the March equinox happens on Sunday, March 20, at 11:33 A.M. EDT. In the Northern Hemisphere, this date marks the start of the spring season and ends on Tuesday, June 21
I take it that Reallusion has given itself quite a window. Three and half months or about seven months from now. I hope they are putting good use to the cash I laid out so I could get a free upgrade.
Keep in mind these dates are tentative. i.e. not definite: still able to be changed...

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

Sifr (12/9/2021)

Peter (RL) (11/30/2021)

brothertcoleman (11/27/2021)

Thanks , I was thinking incorrectly ,so to upgrade to both IClone 8 and CC4 when it’s released ,it will be $599 ?

That is correct. :)

And $399 for both if you already own 3Dxchange Pipeline?

That is actually incorrect. The email you are referring to is offering a free bonus content pack called ""Motion Director Theme Pack" (Value $99) if you spend $399 or above during the pre-sale. It is not offering iClone 8 and CC4 if you spend $399+. So to be clear you will still need to spend $799+ if you wish to receive both iClone 8 and CC4 free.

By JoeGideon - 4 Years Ago

Thank you Peter

By davidm888 - 4 Years Ago

Peter (RL) (12/10/2021)

Sifr (12/9/2021)

Peter (RL) (11/30/2021)

brothertcoleman (11/27/2021)

Thanks , I was thinking incorrectly ,so to upgrade to both IClone 8 and CC4 when it’s released ,it will be $599 ?

That is correct. :)

And $399 for both if you already own 3Dxchange Pipeline?

This is so frustrating. I purchased iClone7, 3DXchange Pipeline, and a bunch of other things over the past year. Do to some life circumstances, I haven't even installed ANY of them yet (they're still at 0 activations). This upgrade policy seems like it being handled extremely poorly. I got an email a few days ago which says:

Exclusive for 3DXchange 7 Pipeline Users
With this special deal we invite you to join the WIP Presales offer (accumulated order value over $399 and above) and be the first to receive a copy of iClone 8 and Character Creator 4.

That sure looks like it's $399 accumulated order value to "receive a copy of iClone 8 and Character Creator 4"! Is this really not the case?

By Peter (RL) - 4 Years Ago

davidm888 (12/10/2021)

Exclusive for 3DXchange 7 Pipeline Users
With this special deal we invite you to join the WIP Presales offer (accumulated order value over $399 and above) and be the first to receive a copy of iClone 8 and Character Creator 4.

That sure looks like it's $399 accumulated order value to "receive a copy of iClone 8 and Character Creator 4"! Is this really not the case?

While the wording has caused some confusion, I can confirm that spending $399+ during the pre-sale offer will grant you a free copy of Character Creator 4. Spending $699+ will grant you a free copy of iClone 8 (or CC4 if you prefer), but to get both iClone 8 and CC4 will still require a spend of $799+.

By brothertcoleman - 4 Years Ago

Is it possible for Reallusion to add more payment options ,I’d like to check out with Apple Pay?

By mtakerkart - 4 Years Ago

So to be clear you will still need to spend $799+ if you wish to receive both iClone 8 and CC4 free

Scuse me Peter but this make me confusing again :ermm:
Does this price apply only to people who don't have Iclone and CC3 ? Or is this price for owners too ?

Because in this picture I understand that for Iclone 7 and CC3 owner it's 599$ to upgrade both...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/0e45dfbd-7bdd-4ecf-aad6-b648.jpg

https://www.reallusion.com/3d-creation/

By yepkoo - 4 Years Ago

Upgrade fee of $599 for owners of Iclone 7 and CC3.
But if you want to get CC4 and iC8 for free instead of paying $599, you'll need to shop at the $799 content store until the end of this year.
It is not necessary to have the programs to participate in the free campaign.

By LarryPlane - 4 Years Ago

$599 for an upgrade is simply to expensive and very disappointing.

By Data Juggler - 4 Years Ago

LarryPlane (12/30/2021)

$599 for an upgrade is simply to expensive and very disappointing.

Eggsactly.

By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago

I don't know if it was there before or I just didn't notice it.
However, I saw that Motion Live plugin is also included in iC8.

iClone 8
With partial 3DXchange Pipeline integration, Curve Editor and Motion LIVE.

https://www.reallusion.com/3d-creation/#ic-comparison

The campaign has shaken my budget a lot, I pushed myself very, very hard not to miss the campaign and I am happy for that.I don't have any mocap device or plugin at the moment, but it may be in the future. Thanks again Reallusion

By Ascensi - 3 Years Ago

For the new performance feature of occlusion culling (disabling or hiding from the camera/render that isn't seen) does it stream load the objects or just disable the renderers on objects? Stream loading will allow unlimited resources but occlusion culling will only disable renderers of models that are loaded which means everything will have to be loaded into memory which will limit the amount of resources a project can have at one time even though some renderers will be disabled. Can you please provide details of this? Long ago I put in the request for .imerge (project merge) thank you! you are all awesome for this but I'm very familiar with with the limitation I've described above using some assets in Unity such as "Voxeland" that only disables the renderers but still suffers from larger world creations. Along side of occlusion culling, I requested the stream loading (Unity's world streamer asset does this) This is a very important/concerning issue for me so I hope you could give us an update on this if you've also added streaming.

By Sunglass - 3 Years Ago

I would like to know about the iclone 8 render system, will it upgrade to bring more quality for renders without iray. Today is not possible render with iray because a lot of hours to small scenes

By R Ham - 3 Years Ago

It's a chunk-o-change all right. But in fairness, it's dirt cheap compared to rentware.

By jeffkirkland - 3 Years Ago

Sunglass (1/6/2022)

I would like to know about the iclone 8 render system, will it upgrade to bring more quality for renders without iray. Today is not possible render with iray because a lot of hours to small scenes

They've demonstrated some of the new render capabilities in the preview video - basically what you have now plus reflections, volumetrics, lens flares, motion blur, and some lighting/shadow improvements. For anything else, you'll probably be wanting to use one of the pipelines to an external renderer.

You can see the demo videos here: https://magazine.reallusion.com/2021/11/02/iclone-8-new-features-introduction/

By Sunglass - 3 Years Ago

jeffkirkland (1/6/2022)

Sunglass (1/6/2022)

I would like to know about the iclone 8 render system, will it upgrade to bring more quality for renders without iray. Today is not possible render with iray because a lot of hours to small scenes

You can see the demo videos here: https://magazine.reallusion.com/2021/11/02/iclone-8-new-features-introduction/

Yea, i saw this new stuffs, but I sincerely wish they would improve the native renderer system, i dont say as the externals (UE and Ominverse), but the difference today is very big. Think icloners deserve that :)

By mtakerkart - 3 Years Ago

@Sunglass
The volumetric light and motion blur are a great artistic contribution to the rendering but I don't expect a rendering like ray tracing or RTX.

By brothertcoleman - 3 Years Ago

My money was delayed ,any chance the buy $799 content to get iClone 8 & the new CC comes back before release?
Please...Thanks

By matenn30 - 3 Years Ago

By purchasing iclone7 and character creator 3 pipeline, you can get iclone8 character creator 4 coupons by starting around spring. I don't think the January 20th launch coupon will be in time. Unfortunately.

iclone7とキャラクタークリエイター3パイプライン購入による、iclone8キャラクタークリエイター４クーポン獲得時春頃起動によるものはできると思います。1月20日の起動クーポンは間に合いませんと思います。残念ながらです。

By brothertcoleman - 3 Years Ago

I have both programs iClone 7 and CC3 Pipline,I needed the content.

By matenn30 - 3 Years Ago

If you purchase from January, you can get the coupons 4 and 8, but before December, you can't. If you purchase within the period after this, you will end up with 7 and 8 and the character creator he will get Paplines 3 and 4.

1月からの購入ならその4と8のクーポンは可能ですが、それ以前12月までは不可能です。もしこれ以降期間内に購入すれば、結果的に７と8とキャラクタークリエイターパプライン3と４が手に入ります。

Correct. In addition, it is a purchase period before the coupon that 8 and 4 are entered on January 20th by December 31st.

訂正します。さらに、12月31日までで1月20日に8と4が入るクーポン以前の期間購入の事です。

By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago

brothertcoleman (1/10/2022)

My money was delayed ,any chance the buy $799 content to get iClone 8 & the new CC comes back before release?
Please...Thanks

Unfortunately the content offer ended on December 31st. The current offers apply to software bundle purchases only not content sadly.

By LABRATS - 3 Years Ago

Dear Peter,

as I'm owning a mocap suit (perception neuron v1 32n) myself, I would also like to know why exactly on your comparison sheet (ic8 to ic7), why MotionLive Plug in is marked as built in? Are the profiles included as well or "just" the MotionLive Plug-In without function if no profiles are owned?

As it is stated now I'm confused and it appears that all profiles including Perception Neuron, LiveFace etc. are built in together with MotionLive inside IC8.

I'm looking forward for your reply.

Best regards

RATLABS

By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago

It's just Motion Live Plug that says there. So profiles are not included.
With the iC8, the Motion Live Plugin will be non-functional. (like 3DXChange).
However, you will be able to continue using it with the iC7.
Because I know others will be issued with a separate license.
You can think of them as separate programs.

By LabratAltACC - 3 Years Ago

Do you know this as a fact? I don't think that it's correct. Please don't just spread information you do not know about. You may be right about that the profiles are not included, but I don't think it's discontinued.

I will wait for Peter's answer or just contact support as I don't think they will just drop something like this.

Best regards

By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago

The thing I'm wondering about is this.
I will start my game project soon.
I'll leave the character work for last and concentrate on animations with a standard character.
When I prepare my character and send it with iC8 after CC4 is out (only when I change the character), will the animations I prepared before be compatible with the new version?
Or will I need to rearrange the animations?

Then I should never start the character and animation part of my game project until the programs are released unless a beta is offered.

By LabratAltACC - 3 Years Ago

The Sceleton Bones are the same as before. They are using it since CC1 and nothing has changed. Your animation will be fully compatible. Altough if you have altered your bones (inside Blender etc for springs etc.) it may not be the case.

By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago

RATLABS (1/28/2022)

RATLABS

Hi...

The Motion LIVE 3D Plug-in is built into iClone 8 but not the profiles. However, if you already own the Perception Neuron Profile for iClone 7 then you will get a free upgrade to the iClone 8 version. Any other profiles you don't already own will need to be purchased. They won't be included with iClone 8.

By LabratAltACC - 3 Years Ago

@Peter:
Thanks for the clarification! I applaud your efforts.

Best regards

RATLABS

By yonderworks - 3 Years Ago

Makes me wish I didn't spend nearly 2 grand back in August during their sales push if they were going to pull the rug under us with the upgrade gimmick so shortly after. Cheers to the marketing team. You got me! But not again.

By yepkoo - 3 Years Ago

I'm sorry Labrats, I just saw the message, I didn't notice it even though I wrote a message under it.

You may have misunderstood me. I didn't say anything different from what Peter said.
Motion Live Plugin will not work for iC8 because it is already included in the program.
So your plugin will not work separately.
You can use the one already integrated in iC8 instead.
That's what I said.

By Peter (RL) - 3 Years Ago

yonderworks (1/28/2022)

Which upgrade gimmick? Have I missed something? :ermm:

By LarryPlane - 3 Years Ago

I'm totally confused now.

I own IC 7. How much will an upgrade to iC 8 cost me?

By wires - 3 Years Ago

LarryPlane (1/30/2022)

I'm totally confused now.

I own IC 7. How much will an upgrade to iC 8 cost me?

If you didn't partake in any of the various purchase options that were available at the end of last year then it has been hinted here on the Forum that there will be upgrade offers available either just before, or at, release time.

At present the prices published as an answer to Free Upgrade Offer FAQ Nr. 5 on this page indicate that iClone 7 to 8 will cost $499.00 (plus VAT), CC3 to CC4 $249.00 (plus VAT) or both together for $599.00 (plus VAT).

Time will tell. :Whistling:

By LarryPlane - 3 Years Ago

Ouch!!!

That's me out.

In my view, considering so much content must be purchased to get the software to a place where you can use it (yes essential c.c pack I am looking at you), plus the various plugins, it's just all way too much for a casual user like me.

By jminbox - 3 Years Ago

Do you know if they've *finally* put in a camera pivot capability (rotate on x, y, or z access without changing the x, y, z transform)?

Other 3D software has had this since their first versions and as of IC 7.x it still isn't there. :O

Thank You