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By GavanGG - 5 Years Ago
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Excited to join the community!
We wanted to introduce ourselves and get feedback on how we can best work with iClone7 and its users (iClone7 tutorial at the bottom of this post).
RADiCAL is a team of CG researchers developing AI-powered motion capture solutions for modern 3D pipelines in film, gaming, previz, and real-time virtualization.
In short, our AI requires just a single consumer grade camera and an internet connection. No hardware, no suits. Grab a camera, record a video of your favorite motion, upload it to RADiCAL, and download an FBX file with a complete 3D animation dataset. The system is available now at https://getrad.co/, through the web, from home, with no setup, hardware or software requirements.
WebGL samples (in 3D) are here, here, here, here, here and here. We're also about to release real-time products, such as Studio (an on-prem MoCap app) and an SDK for iClone7.
Free trials have also just become available. Finally, here's the iClone7 Tutorial (by Simon Keating) for CORE, our cloud product: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2641598936085967
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By animagic - 5 Years Ago
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Welcome to the forum! For some reason part of your post came out black on black so I'm re-quoting it here:
GavanGG (7/6/2020)
Excited to join the community!
We wanted to introduce ourselves and get feedback on how we can best work with iClone7 and its users (iClone7 tutorial at the bottom of this post).
RADiCAL is a team of CG researchers developing AI-powered motion capture solutions for modern 3D pipelines in film, gaming, previz, and real-time virtualization.
In short, our AI requires just a single consumer grade camera and an internet connection. No hardware, no suits. Grab a camera, record a video of your favorite motion, upload it to RADiCAL, and download an FBX file with a complete 3D animation dataset. The system is available now at https://getrad.co/, through the web, from home, with no setup, hardware or software requirements.
WebGL samples (in 3D) are here, here, here, here, here and here. We're also about to release real-time products, such as Studio (an on-prem MoCap app) and an SDK for iClone7.
Free trials have also just become available. Finally, here's the iClone7 Tutorial (by Simon Keating) for CORE, our cloud product: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2641598936085967
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By shadybearbklyn - 5 Years Ago
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This looks incredible.
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By thedirector1974 - 5 Years Ago
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Yes. It's tempting. But I don't like the business model. They limit the amount of animations and esports to 3 minutes per month if you rent the lowest price rate. The next step is limited to 20 minutes. Everything works online, so it seems. Those reduced times of recorded animation is far from reality, where you have to do a lot of trial and error to get the motion right ...
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By Eric C (RL) - 5 Years Ago
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GavanGG (7/6/2020)
Excited to join the community!
We wanted to introduce ourselves and get feedback on how we can best work with iClone7 and its users (iClone7 tutorial at the bottom of this post).
RADiCAL is a team of CG researchers developing AI-powered motion capture solutions for modern 3D pipelines in film, gaming, previz, and real-time virtualization.
In short, our AI requires just a single consumer grade camera and an internet connection. No hardware, no suits. Grab a camera, record a video of your favorite motion, upload it to RADiCAL, and download an FBX file with a complete 3D animation dataset. The system is available now at https://getrad.co/, through the web, from home, with no setup, hardware or software requirements.
WebGL samples (in 3D) are here, here, here, here, here and here. We're also about to release real-time products, such as Studio (an on-prem MoCap app) and an SDK for iClone7.
Free trials have also just become available. Finally, here's the iClone7 Tutorial (by Simon Keating) for CORE, our cloud product: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2641598936085967
Hi Gaven,
Welcome on board and thanks for your 20% discount promo and free trial!
Thanks for the friendly gesture, and let me pin this thread for one month in return, so that our community members will not miss the promo :-)
Have fun and welcome to the community!
Eric
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By Europafilms - 5 Years Ago
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RADiCAL (https://getrad.co/) is a great find GavanGG thank you for sharing. It may put the expensive software and suit guys out of business eventually. I am all for making animation more fun and accessible for newbies and independents.
I am not a sponsor or affiliated with RADiCAL but after consideration, it gives you an option to use the service for smaller sequences in your animation process as well as a full subscription. It depends on how much MoCap you do in a year vs. a suit sitting on the shelf plus an expensive iPhone / iPad purchase.
The service of using an AI is going to save a lot of time in the production pipeline. You will still need an actor unless you are an actor/animator. An option worth consideration would be to create your video sequence with overlap (handle) of each motion, edit your video sequence together and get a monthly service that fits the length of your video. If you think about all the costs of a suit and the software plus an iPhone X then the RADiCAL option is not so expensive. Especially over the long term. A suit and software can become worn, hard to keep clean or even become damaged. The suit and Mocap software may be expensive to upgrade eventually.
RADiCAL
In Short - Services like this for independent animation are most welcome. Saving time, large investment and expensive long term upgrades.
Future - It would be great to see what RADiCAL or a similar company do with AI accurate Facial MoCap as a video to FBX file service. The Motion LIVE and Facial MoCap solution on offer from Reallusion is still so expensive for independents and newbies, especially when a simple Webcam to Facial Mocap should be free with iClone, IMO. More users would dive into iClone & Character Creator if a simple Webcam Facial Mocap was included for free (like it is free for Character Animator from Adobe).
Pros/Cons of AI Mocap - The pros I have already written about above. The cons may be the company looks well-funded with some heavy-weight players. Maybe they are thinking about using the technology not just for harmless animation but for population surveillance use later on? There is a fine line, like most technology, it is a double edged sword.
Also for RADiCAL I am curious if AI can handle two or more characters in the same in a video sequence, or how you can have 2 actors having a conversation in a close-up shot. One step closer to a new industry of MoCap actors.
If you are just wanting to get into MoCap without hiring an actor, you can experiment with iMotion with these free MoCap files. I posted this FREE resource here.
https://forum.reallusion.com/450892/iMotion-BONUS-BVH-release-of-CMUs-motion-capture-database-Full-Mixamo-Motion-Capture-Library
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By General Picture Animation - 5 Years Ago
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Hi Gavan, please give us the performance specs required for a capture PC.
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By SeanMac - 5 Years Ago
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"Those reduced times of recordedanimation is far from reality, where you have to do a lot of trial and error toget the motion right ..." You have a point there, but I suggest that the expense depends on themoment that the purchase decision is made – if the purchase is made AFTER you previewed themotion then the trials and errors can take place in cyberspace. This lessens the expense considerably.
There are a lot of questions I should like to ask this group - is there any way that can be arranged?
Regards
SeanMac
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By Kelleytoons - 5 Years Ago
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Just ask here, Sean -- you can add to this thread or create another one. Folks interested won't be shy in chiming in.
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By SeanMac - 5 Years Ago
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Fair enough, Mike. I shall start a topic "Questions from the iClone Community for Radical."
Regards
SeanMac
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By mark - 5 Years Ago
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Well it's been 10 days and not a peep, they must be covered up...would be nice for a little followup info from GavanCG;)
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By Slayerazazel - 5 Years Ago
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If he hasn't come back for a few days. You can always message them directly from their website. (Even though their website support button does nothing, so it seems to be broken) You can still see their support email.
support@getrad.co
This is definitely an interesting option for mocap. They have a free trial available. It doesn't show how long it lasts though. But it seems to be linked to the Core Creator package. The monthly vs yearly subscription looks almost like an error though in the substantial difference in pricing per month or per year.
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By SeanMac - 5 Years Ago
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Hi slayerazazel
Thanks for that. I left the questions on their Facebook page as well as asking support. They are just starting up so I imagine it is chaos there, which can be forgiven if they come up with a product to beat the suit-sellers.
I was concerned about the hands in case the fingers just disappeared, so I need to try the free trial, as you say. They had the free trial period down as ten days on their PR material in various places = Facebook, Twitter website etc.
As for the pcm versus pa prices that probably is a throwaway to encourage Independents, the real money they are chasing seems to be the studios.
It seems to call for a smallish green or blue screen for best effects.
Regards
SeanMac
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By joao.henriques - 5 Years Ago
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Ok.. this really seems sketchy at best... but did anyone already tried the free trial?
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By mark - 5 Years Ago
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I thought they were joining "...the community" ???:doze:
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By will2power71 - 5 Years Ago
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Not really feeling the "subscription" vibe and being limited to what I can do. This seems more set up to limit you rather than free you up. For the price they are offering for 20 minutes a month for a year, you can purchase a year license of Ipisoft and record as much as you want for an entire year, or for $350 dollars more I can record as much as I want forever. I'm not really big on the whole subscription thing anyway --you're completely disadvantaged. If you pay for a year and this startup doesn't make it, then you're out of everything you put in. I prefer to own the software I spend money on as much as possible. There are just too many other options that won't leash you to Radical and what they "allow" you to do in your subscription. Swing-and-a-miss in my book. The only way this would have any appeal is if I was working on a single project and not needing anything more after it was done.
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By Rampa - 5 Years Ago
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AI mocap from video also comes in DeepMotion flavor! :)
https://deepmotion.com/animate-3d
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By 3dtester - 5 Years Ago
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Hi,
i have subscribed to RADiCAL after following the progress for some time.
Of course i can't wait for the on-premise app they are going to release.
But the current service as they provide it, works fairly good.
I have recorded some test video with a web cam, then i uploaded it and a few minutes later their AI had processed it.
The outcome was actually really good. It was useable in iClone within a few minutes.
Now they seem to prepare for the next step.
I don't know how much information they released to the public yet.
But i've reached out to them a few weeks ago, and got some promising replies.
They will introduce a new mocap model with more bones.
I hope that if all goes well with their plans, the mocap will get much better than it already is.
About the business model.
I don't know if subscriptions are the one and only and best long-term solution.
But i have the slight feeling that they need money to pay their staff for development.
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By Zeronimo - 5 Years Ago
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Despite the use of AI, in their video I still see the problem of feet sliding on the floor, which may require a lot of cleaning effort.
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By Kelleytoons - 5 Years Ago
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Yeah, I noticed that as well.
Honestly, I've used a TON of different solutions and the PN suit is the only thing that ALWAYS works. And I find it easy to use (and with the deep discounts nowadays it's competitive with ANY other solution). I wouldn't trust ANY of these other companies to even be around a year from now (so make sure, those of you that do subscribe, that you get your money's worth right away. Use it all up because I'll bet you this time next year you'll be kicking yourself for not spending a couple hundred more for a better solution).
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By jlittle - 5 Years Ago
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A suit-less motion solution would be desired by many IF it can do the job but is new tech so it remains to be seen if it can do it effectively.
I've looked at RADiCAL but hate the subscription model. Too pricey for so little.
I also hate sites (i.e. DeepMotion) that don't put their pricing up front without forcing one to "Sign-Up" to see specifics.
What, are they afraid of showing their prices because it will scare people off or are they not that far along yet to have any pricing?
At least RADiCAL publishes their pricing, unlike DeepMotion, and hopefully the desktop App from RADiCAL will allow more conversions for less.
Jeff
Edit: sp
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By Rampa - 5 Years Ago
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jlittle (8/18/2020)
A suit-less motion solution would be desired by many IF it can do the job but is new tech so it remains to be seen if it can do it effectively. I've looked at RADiCAL but hate the subscription model. Too pricey for so little. I also haet sites (i.e. DeepMotion) that don't put their pricing up front without forcing one to "Sign-Up" to see specifics. What, are they afraid of showing their prices because it will scare people off or are they not that far along yet to have any pricing? At least RADiCAL publishes their pricing, unlike DeepMotion, and hopefully the desktop App from RADiCAL will allow more conversions for less. Jeff
It's actually in alpha. So signing up is free. I suspect it will have a cost later. :)
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By jlittle - 5 Years Ago
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Re DeepMotion:
Rampa (8/18/2020)
It's actually in alpha. So signing up is free. I suspect it will have a cost later. :)
Thanks Rampa. That explains the lack of pricing.
Only at the bottom of the page did I finally find it saying sign up for an alpha trial.
Any comparison (i.e. pro's&con's) to RADiCAL yet?
Jeff
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By Rampa - 5 Years Ago
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Hi Jeff. I actually have not tried it. They just sent me an email about it a while back.
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By JasonWynngard - 5 Years Ago
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Rampa, how effective is RADICAL with capturing the delicate hand and finger motions used in sign language? I'd like to see them demonstrate that before I sign up for anything.
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By Eric C (RL) - 5 Years Ago
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Hi @JasonWynngard,
Sign language use will be a great application story. Would suggest to let the RADiCAL team to answer on your question.
(samples of capturing the delicate hand and finger motions used in sign language)
Eric
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By mrtobycook - 5 Years Ago
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I’m surely their exact target market (professional with paid projects; also use mocap for own passion projects and have $$ to spend), but RADiCAL currently has a major barrier for entry - those bizarre time limits in their plans.
If it said this, I’d buy it:
“Upload your videos (an hour of video per day) and export up to 3 minutes of mocap per week for $300 a year. Or export 20 minutes per week for $500 a year”.
:)
That’s the kind of math that would work. But the trial and error nature of mocap (as ANYONE with experience can tell you) means that their weird limits on video uploading (not actual outputting of FBX but even uploading video to process!) makes it unusable for any real project.
I could be way off here - I am in the middle of a big project so forgive me if I’m totally wrong, but this is all based on browsing their website and trying to figure out their offering!!
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By Kelleytoons - 5 Years Ago
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Honestly, even if their mocap was perfect (and it won't be) I don't think their pricing makes any sense to any but the folks making a lot of money with their animations (and those folks can afford better solutions, like PN).
Plus -- a solution like this that is SO dependent on the company being around more than a year just is screwy. I make a prediction now that we won't even know about these guys a year from now (and I'm usually right about this kind of thing). Hopefully, for the rest of you, they'll prove me wrong.
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By mrtobycook - 5 Years Ago
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I think it would make sense for me - even though I have a mocap suit etc - from a business perspective ONLY if it’s as good as suit mocap but faster (suiting up and adjusting for diffferent sized people can be a pain).
Also, fingers! If it does fine finger capture from - say - a 4k or 6k video, that would be great.
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By argus1000 - 5 Years Ago
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mrtobycook (9/7/2020)
Also, fingers! If it does fine finger capture from - say - a 4k or 6k video, that would be great.
If we judge by the way it captures the feet (a lot of sliding), they have a lot of work to do, if they ever get there. But You can always dream...
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By argus1000 - 5 Years Ago
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mrtobycook (9/7/2020)
Also, fingers! If it does fine finger capture from - say - a 4k or 6k video, that would be great.
If we judge by the way it captures the feet (a lot of sliding), they have a lot of work to do, if they ever get there. But You can always dream...
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By Eric C (RL) - 5 Years Ago
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Hi everyone,
We are unpinning this thread, but feel free to discuss more mocap topics here.
RADiCAL had just released their RADiCAL Studio, and you can check their release note here.
Thanks!
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By Kalex - 5 Years Ago
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Hello Eric,
Thanks for the update. I've decided to give the Studio version a go. I will try to make it work tomorrow properly. Just a question... The Core version allows to import an mp4 video an then process it. Is it possible with the studio version to import external videos too ? For now, everything I've seen is realtime...
Thanks for the help!
Kalex
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