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By Dan Miller - 5 Years Ago
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So I didn't realize we can sell CC3 characters now, including clothing, on Fiverr for use in game engines.
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By Dorothy Jean - 5 Years Ago
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danmiller (2/29/2020)
So I didn't realize we can sell CC3 characters now, including clothing, on Fiverr for use in game engines.
I believe that is not allowed. Good catch!! You should PM Peter(RL) with the link.
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By Dan Miller - 5 Years Ago
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I believe that is not allowed. Good catch!! You should PM Peter(RL) with the link.
Yep, I don't think it is within the licensing either.
Nice store, I subscribed.
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By Dorothy Jean - 5 Years Ago
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danmiller (2/29/2020)
I believe that is not allowed. Good catch!! You should PM Peter(RL) with the link.
Yep, I don't think it is within the licensing either.
Nice store, I subscribed.
Ha thanks!! I just made that signature but I think the banner is too big so I have been working on something smaller. LOL
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By TonyDPrime - 5 Years Ago
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I am fascinated by these topics...If I want to pay this guy to make me a model, because I can't do it myself, why can't I utilize him.
I mean really. As long as we both own CC3 and all the associated content, what is the problem whether I made it myself or not.
Thus, how do you know underlying the transaction there are not 2 people who both would not be in ownership of CC3. How are you going to prove this.
Because otherwise the whole lot of morphs, assets, and clothing sold for CC3 are in violation, because I can create these all, by myself, in Blender...for free.
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By Dan Miller - 5 Years Ago
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I am fascinated by these topics...If I want to pay this guy to make me a model, because I can't do it myself, why can't I utilize him. I mean really. As long as we both own CC3 and all the associated content, what is the problem whether I made it myself or not. Thus, how do you know underlying the transaction there are not 2 people who both would not be in ownership of CC3. How are you going to prove this. Because otherwise the whole lot of morphs, assets, and clothing sold for CC3 are in violation, because I can create these all, by myself, in Blender...for free.
Hey, don't get me wrong, if it were within the licensing I would sell assets like that too. I highly doubt the Fiverr customers own CC3, and he is not saying he can only sell to CC3 owners. Clearly he sells to anyone who pays $50. I agree with your point, you can't prove it. You pay money and get CC3 assets in return.
When I first purchased CC3, I inquired about selling like this and I was informed that it would be a violation of the licensing. If it's cool to do now then I will do it too. I highly doubt that anything has changed though. |
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By wendyluvscatz - 5 Years Ago
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wouldn't you need CC3 to load the file though and any dependencies?
I mean for example I only own iC6 and CC2.2 so the files would be no good to me and one needs the various base clothings too.
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By Dan Miller - 5 Years Ago
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wendyluvscatz (3/1/2020)
wouldn't you need CC3 to load the file though and any dependencies?
I mean for example I only own iC6 and CC2.2 so the files would be no good to me and one needs the various base clothings too.
No, he is exporting as an FBX. From there it gets imported into the game engine of choice.
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By wendyluvscatz - 5 Years Ago
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ah that's different
if they were just CC3 files then yes need the software etc
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By Dan Miller - 5 Years Ago
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Ha thanks!! I just made that signature but I think the banner is too big so I have been working on something smaller. LOL It looks good to me and nice work.
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By Dan Miller - 5 Years Ago
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ah that's different if they were just CC3 files then yes need the software etc Yep, then it would work fine.
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By Dorothy Jean - 5 Years Ago
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danmiller (3/1/2020)
Ha thanks!! I just made that signature but I think the banner is too big so I have been working on something smaller. LOL It looks good to me and nice work.
Thanks!! I did make it smaller so it's not so "IN YOUR FACE" lol
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By planetstardragon - 5 Years Ago
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instead of this being against TOS, Reallusion would be smart to capitalize on this demand for quality characters, and simply create a "buy" button for people to sell their characters anywhere with a link from the RL shop, for example, I see this in www.songtradr.com - if you want to license my song, the price of the license varies based on your usage, so if someone needs the character for a movie, Reallusion can charge one rate, now for them to use it in say, Maya for youtube another rate for a Hollywood pay per view movie,...and another sliding rate based on a game and your potential audience size, you'll get web designers and magazine editors that want to render it in keyshot.. - Reallusion doesn't have to be cut out, they just need to adapt to allow sales to a larger audience on the web that doesn't use iclone, it shouldn't be a problem. it's silly to make "illegal" that which can generate profit and bring useful service to the general non iclone using public, while widening the audience and gaining free marketing, because the more that "Buy" link is posted, the more people become aware of iclone and character creator.
This is an opportunity, not a problem.
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By Peter (RL) - 5 Years Ago
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danmiller (2/29/2020)
So I didn't realize we can sell CC3 characters now, including clothing, on Fiverr for use in game engines.
Thanks for letting us know about this.
As already mentioned, selling character models outside of the Reallusion Stores is not permitted. The only exception to this is when a character is embedded into a game or application.
We will take a look at the link provided and advise the user accordingly.
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By mr_vidius - 5 Years Ago
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planetstardragon (3/1/2020)
instead of this being against TOS, Reallusion would be smart to capitalize on this demand for quality characters, and simply create a "buy" button for people to sell their characters anywhere with a link from the RL shop, for example, I see this in www.songtradr.com - if you want to license my song, the price of the license varies based on your usage, so if someone needs the character for a movie, Reallusion can charge one rate, now for them to use it in say, Maya for youtube another rate for a Hollywood pay per view movie,...and another sliding rate based on a game and your potential audience size, you'll get web designers and magazine editors that want to render it in keyshot.. - Reallusion doesn't have to be cut out, they just need to adapt to allow sales to a larger audience on the web that doesn't use iclone, it shouldn't be a problem. it's silly to make "illegal" that which can generate profit and bring useful service to the general non iclone using public, while widening the audience and gaining free marketing, because the more that "Buy" link is posted, the more people become aware of iclone and character creator.
This is an opportunity, not a problem.
what a wonderful idea! let us make the products more expensive, and things more complex, and cause mass confusion on the part of buyers, and developers.
this is exactly what we need. things as they are now, are way too simple and easy. we need to throw that monkey wrench into the business gears to make it
so confusing, that we all will need to hire lawyers just to buy something, or make something. not to mention jacking up the price of products so nobody buys them.
and let us not forget the poor people in customer service.. who are going to have one hell of a time, when things go wrong and they got to fix it. :Whistling:
vidius
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By planetstardragon - 5 Years Ago
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@mr_vidius Exactly!! - that's how google, autodesk and adobe do it, and look at them, they are rich!
Lets keep this in perspective, if someone took a model , put it in a movie or even a game, will you notice it ? People will do what they do regardless of the rules you set in place, and out of 100 you may find 1 to slap on the wrist, instead of capitalizing on the 100.
what if you saw a model that sorta kinda looked like one you worked on in a disney movie, are you seriously going to hire a lawyer, contact disney and insist on inspecting the model used for filming and expect them to show you the model they got on the net for free in some obscure site ?
The only reason this person is getting thier wrist slapped is because they said "Character Creator 3" - otherwise if they had said high quality custom character designs, none would have known better ...and the characters are so advanced at this point, you won't know if it was made in daz, maya, poser, 3DS Max, C4D, blender, Houdini etc
Better to work with 100 people that want to make money, than slapping one on the wrist and not making any money at all.
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By planetstardragon - 5 Years Ago
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what reallusion would have to do if they take that path, is indemnify itself in the agreements for when someone decides to model and sell Devin Nunes cow and Devin decides to sue for defamation as he's trying to do on twitter. - it could happen now, but if you create a "Buy" button to sell everywhere to everyone, it obviously becomes a bigger deal.
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By animagic - 5 Years Ago
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A CC character is usually not just the character mesh but will also include clothing which may have been sourced from a third-party developer. For better or worse there is now a DRM system within the RL universe, so that it doesn't get a free for all. To maintain that for sales anywhere would be very challenging. I also don't see how RL would get its cut.
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By planetstardragon - 5 Years Ago
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the same way it gets its cut now for exporting to any other software / game engine. The only difference is that people would have a buy button to their Reallusion shop to post anywhere for anyone else to buy.
Point is people are going to do what they are going to do either way, may as well make it easy for them to sell it from a reallusion store to the non iclone artist community.
I'm saying this particularly because I'm watching a growing trend of many sites selling unauthorized models that used to be free. These sites don't care and offer a "Royalty free license" Now Reallusion can either have Peter chase these sites around and send out take down notices, as if his workload wasn't crazy enough already.....and not make any money hunting for ghosts. The sites that give stuff away for free - make money advertising, send a take down, they still made money after they take it down, the guys who are selling it made sales before taking it down ....RL doesn't make money .....if they made it easy to sell ....Buyers at least get a certificate of authenticity which makes it better to just buy than get illegally plus it's great branding and marketing.
Their system is already set up to split the accounting on every sale. All they'd be doing is allowing more sales to a larger audience.
At it's core, I'm just watching way's iclone and CC3 can go mainstream, because it's a growing demand and no one else is doing that. Its an opportunity to lock down a new industry standard. An industry standard means more money for iclone developers.
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By charly Rama - 5 Years Ago
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what intrigues me is CC3 offers precisely the possibility of modifying the models, colors of clothes which can be easily modified from other software too. I will be curious to know how we can determine if this or that modified model comes from CC3 or Daz or fuze. Like it was said, if the guy didn't mention CC3, frankly I wouldn't have thought of CC3 because it's so doable with any app
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By TonyDPrime - 5 Years Ago
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This all assumes too that the character was actually created in CC3. He/she could claim that with out it being accurate, he/she may in fact be looking at a model which was created in CC3, and then creating a character from scratch in another application to merely match the look and layout of a CC3 character. Thus technically, it is possible there is not at any point materially a CC3 model.
I am just fascinated with the technical workings of things. It seems all they can do is advise the person to take content down, or behind the scenes sway the owner of the website or moderator, on the website listing content, to remove said content. However if they were to obtain the user's identity within the RL realm, then they could leverage sanctions on that account.
I guess if a Daz model, even once converted to CC3, it is on Daz to track it down, because if it was a CC3 model, moved to Daz, and then sold as a Daz character,it would be RL tracking it down.
But in this case, at all points, there is only the assumption, via the text mention of "CC3", that it was created in CC3.
I know the claim is custom-order models, but come on, it don't look CC3!!! CC3 looks way better.
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By planetstardragon - 5 Years Ago
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it looks cc3, but it also looks like the person was more a capitalist than an artist and didn't bother with any details.
If they wanted to hide their trails , all they had to do was not mention cc3 and say the file was available in 3Ds Max, and blender format. which is what other sites are doing - you really can't fight this...you take it down from one place, it pops up in another - these guys expect and are prepared to be caught. Hollywood is taking a major beating because of it and they really can't fight it, because they close one site, it pops up on another.
How you do respond is letting people sell it authentically so RL at least makes money from it, and offering a Certificate of Authenticity and Quality so the buyer has peace of mind.
I can post at least 3 sites, which I wont, that have massive collections of models from all sorts of software. the sites look completely legit and offer downloads in at least 4 formats. - a mix of game rips, random models and software stock models.
I know this from music, My music releases are popular on the pirate sites, instead of fighting it, I rolled with it and got charted on itunes several times because the money I lost in sales, ended up being a strong global marketing strategy heh! You are better off capitalizing on this demand than fighting it because it's a losing battle that will cost you more money to respond than just adapting to it to work in your favor.
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