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By kelly.turner - 16 Years Ago
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Can someone please help me? I'm really interested in purchasing this product. I have to sell this idea to my boss who will approve the expense. I've searched and I can't find examples of Corporations that have used iClone to create training material. I will not get this approved if i show video examples of wizards or other 'non-people' characters. I need to show something that would be similiar to Sales Discussions of new products, HR type training, Product Demo's, Product Commercial, etc.. Can someone please provide me some links that I can share with my management as demonstrations of what we will be able to create with this product. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide.
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By Alley - 16 Years Ago
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This is a link to an entry but real video for one of RL contests. If you PM omanuel, maybe he can give you a link to the actual video which he had to remove. https://forum.reallusion.com/Topic19917-105-1.aspx If you look in the Showcase section, there should be real examples there. http://www.reallusion.com/reallusiontv/ic/casestudy.asp
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By kelly.turner - 16 Years Ago
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Thank you. I did reach out to the artist is your first link. Hopefully he will be able to help me. I also checked out the video's available on your second link. Unfortunately, the one's that look more 'corporate' don't work. I should be able to use one or two of them. Thank you again for your help. If anyone else out there can't point me in additional directions to view 'Corporate Training' and/or 'Corporate Commerical' type stuff, I would be forever grateful. Thank you.
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By Peter (RL) - 16 Years Ago
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Hi Kelly, I would suggest taking a look at the following two video pages. These contain a lot of demos showcasing the features and content of iClone4. Product Demos Content Trailers For corporate use the Virtual Studio and Motion Montage promos will be of particular interest. They are included in the Content Trailers section. Hope these help a little. :)
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By kelly.turner - 16 Years Ago
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Thank you so much. These should be helpful.
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By DesertWalker - 16 Years Ago
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"...Product Commercial, etc.." Here is a fake car commercial. It is in Chinese, but see if you can use it to help your case. If I knew someone was looking for examples, I would have spent more time on it. So maybe you can tell your boss it can be better if more time are put into it :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaEFXxxADJ8 If the HD options (either 1080p or 720p) are presented to you, select it for better viewing quality. Viewing it in full screen mode also helps to make it look better.
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By kelly.turner - 16 Years Ago
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This is wonderful. Curious, how much time did you actually spend on this? I think it looks fantastic. I can't imagine what this would have looked like if you had spent more time on this. Thank you to everyone on this post that has helped me. Hopefully, I will convince my company to purchase this and then I'll be on these forums looking for your guided expertise. Thanks again !!!
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By DesertWalker - 16 Years Ago
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Glad it may be useful. I didn't keep track of the time spent, but it was done over the weekend. Most of the time was spent on trying to come up with a concept that could be done with assets (props, stock royalty-free music, etc) that I had. Time spent inside iClone was probably no more than 2 hours. That's the beauty of iClone. It is easy to use so one can spend the time on what really matters - working on the concept and exploring ways to execute it. Almost all aspects of the video can be better if more time are put into it. You probably know that you should at least get 3DXchange, in addition to iClone Pro. If there is any possibility that you may use CrazyTalk, get the bundle that includes the three. Good luck!
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By DesertWalker - 16 Years Ago
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I've got to tell you guys this: I put the fake car commercial under Comedy section in a website a few days ago. I checked today and found it under the Car Commercials section. It is now showing up among real car commercial videos. I either tell the admin to move it back to Comedy, or keep quite or even make a few more as a practical joke. What do you guys think I should do? Will I be breaking any law by not telling the admin to move it back? Update: moved it back to Comedy - didn't feel comfortable leaving it among real car commercials. I don't think there is a legal issue though. I put it in Comedy section and it was there the first day when I checked in to choose a thumbnail. The car brand doesn't exist and the video description and the tag clearly indidate it is a joke.
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By jwm2002 - 16 Years Ago
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DesertWalker (3/12/2010) I've got to tell you guys this: I put the fake car commercial under Comedy section in a website a few days ago. I checked today and found it under the Car Commercials section. It is now showing up among real car commercial videos. I either tell the admin to move it back to Comedy, or keep quite or even make a few more as a practical joke. What do you guys think I should do? Will I be breaking any law by not telling the admin to move it back?Umm...hate to break it to you, but no sensible person is going to mistake this for a real car commercial.
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By jwm2002 - 16 Years Ago
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kelly.turner (3/9/2010)
Can someone please help me? I'm really interested in purchasing this product. I have to sell this idea to my boss who will approve the expense. I've searched and I can't find examples of Corporations that have used iClone to create training material. I will not get this approved if i show video examples of wizards or other 'non-people' characters. I need to show something that would be similiar to Sales Discussions of new products, HR type training, Product Demo's, Product Commercial, etc.. Can someone please provide me some links that I can share with my management as demonstrations of what we will be able to create with this product. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide. Personally, I just don't see how iClone would be useful in a corporate training environment. In fact, the program is only good for wizards, fairies, and other "non-people" characters. Even the human characters look cartoonish. Plus, you would be wasting your company's money if you do not have a video editing and compositing suite to go with this purchase.
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By news.newz - 16 Years Ago
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kelly i use iclone in my work environment for sales, marketing and even equipment training - unfortunately my work is company property so can't share it - but it is very effective for these usages.
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By animagic - 16 Years Ago
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You can make the people as human and convincing as you are willing to invest your time and energy in. Some people are apparently dissatisfied with the results they get, but I wonder if they spend actually any time trying. There is a learning curve, obviously. I personally don't do wizards and fairies and I have had no complaints regarding my characters in a longer film I recently finished (not yet online).
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By kelly.turner - 16 Years Ago
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My company has approved the purchase of iClone and Crazy Talk and...a new equipment that meets the hardware requirements.. So hopefully, after some training and my learning curve, I will be able to produce some great corporate training. Wizards are definately out, but cartoon characters or other (human) animated images will work fine. The objective is to entertain while educating and this is the future to meeting those objectives. Hopefully, I will return to this post in a few months with a link to share on what I've created. Thank you very much for your assistance.
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By Peter (RL) - 16 Years Ago
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Hi Kelly, Great to hear your company supported your plans for iClone and Crazytalk. I'm sure you will find the possibilities pretty much limitless. You might also like to take a look at the new popVideo Converter 2.0 which now allows one click chromakeying. This allows you to do in seconds what could have taken hours previously, and required the use of expensive video editors. Please share with us anything you produce with iClone or Crazytalk. We would love to see it. :)
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By kelly.turner - 16 Years Ago
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I currently use Sony Vegas Movie Studio Pro for editing so I'm going to stay with that unless I encounter problems with editing videos produced with iCLONE. Thanks again.
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By jwm2002 - 16 Years Ago
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Kelly, I would advise you that even the pro version has a limited number of default animations and characters that you may not be aware of. Included clothing and hairstyles are also very limited without further purchases. Many people find this upsetting that the unstated expectation is to purchase much more additional content in the content store. Animating characters outside of the default movements can be very frustating and time-consuming. Often times, when users ask for assistance here, they are referred to purchasing additional content. They will even try to sell you a smile, as opposed to just showing you... https://forum.reallusion.com/FindPost44067.aspx I also recommend you review the issues thread to understand the buggy-ness of the program, which could cause delays in your production; especially, when you could be facing tight deadlines for producing results. https://forum.reallusion.com/FindPost27563.aspx You should also browse the Wishful Features thread to understand what isn't included in the software that causes some frustrations and requires work-arounds: https://forum.reallusion.com/Forum87-1.aspx I think the programs are a fun set of tools for hobbyist and I would highly recommend it for such a purpose, but I would warn you of the hidden costs; especially, if you are not a 3d artists and you are placing your neck and professional reputation out on the line for this. There is a reason you cannot find examples of corporate training on the web using iclone... If you are able to share with us examples of what you produce, I would be very interested to see how the software is used in a training environment. Best wishes, and good luck.
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By kelly.turner - 16 Years Ago
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Thank you so much for your additional feedback and warnings. I'm very fortunate that my company is aware that the costs to produce a product will increase as I learn the product more and begin to 'purchase' additional content. So, I'm lucky there. They have also agreed to purchase additional training for me as I request to assist with my learning curve. I promise to post an example of my first project once I've purchased what I need and can figure out what I'm doing. I'll check back with this post in the next few months. Thanks again.
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By animagic - 16 Years Ago
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Regarding content, one option that iClone provides is BackStage which allows you to try out single items from a content pack within the program. If you like it you can just buy that item instead of the complete pack. I also would encourage you to look into using online resources such as Google 3D Warehouse for props, furniture, and other things to dress your set. It does require an external program, 3DXchange. I would probably wait for version 4, which has additional features. If you have additional questions along the way, by all means ask. There are many helpful and knowledgeable forum members willing to give advice.
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By aknzrdude - 16 Years Ago
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Kelly - test01 provided good advice regarding checking out the threads where iClone issues are highlighted but i would temper that by saying as in any product, people come to support forums for help so you would expect many more "help me" type posts than "i did it" type posts
go to any software support site and if you just look at the complaints, you would think the product is failure - people who use the software successfully do not always post
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By jwm2002 - 16 Years Ago
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Kelly, Fortunately, I didn't link any "complaint threads" only those that show known issues with the program, "wishful features" which highlight some great ideas by current users, and a thread where a common practice is highlighted - where experienced forum members refer new users to buy more content instead of just showing them how to accomplish a simple task, like smiling. It's hard to temper the facts. If the law is on your side, you argue the law. If facts are on your side, you argue facts. When nothing is on your side, you just keep arguing. You'll find a lot of forum users who just want to argue with me when issues or opposing views are brought up, regardless of the obvious facts staring them in the face. One thing you can be sure of, I'll never charge you for an answer to a question. I'll tell you how it is and then show you a work around... for free.
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By aknzrdude - 16 Years Ago
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yep take it from a guy who says iclone is only good for wizards and faeries despite all the facts facing him
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By jwm2002 - 16 Years Ago
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aknzrdude (3/18/2010) yep take it from a guy who says iclone is only good for wizards and faeries despite all the facts facing himTrue, I did forget all of the dancing videos, though I believe that seems to be more directed towards the asian market.
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By aknzrdude - 16 Years Ago
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ooh so now we are going racial - keep talking
Test01 (3/18/2010)
aknzrdude (3/18/2010) yep take it from a guy who says iclone is only good for wizards and faeries despite all the facts facing himTrue, I did forget all of the dancing videos, though I believe that seems to be more directed towards the asian market.
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By jwm2002 - 16 Years Ago
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aknzrdude (3/19/2010)
ooh so now we are going racial - keep talking Test01 (3/18/2010)
aknzrdude (3/18/2010) yep take it from a guy who says iclone is only good for wizards and faeries despite all the facts facing himTrue, I did forget all of the dancing videos, though I believe that seems to be more directed towards the asian market. Dang. you got me.
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