MY FIRST TEST WITH FACEWARE


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By thedirector1974 - 2 Years Ago
I really hoped to see some footage to show me how convincing this faceware plugin is, but sorry, Idon't see it. Guys. This plugin costs almost 1k and I know some of you have it already. Where are the videos, to show me the superior quality I would expect for such a high price???

Direx
By vidi - 2 Years Ago
I do not understand why anyone showing a FW score gets beaten up.

Actually No one is beaten
All who post in a public forum must expect that there are people who have their own opinion about the shown results  and say it.

For me, it would also be important  to see a realy difference, if  I would  spend extra money for that.
But people are all different , and  at the end  the main thing is to have fun.
By TonyDPrime - 2 Years Ago
This was cool, I like it!
By kungphu - 2 Years Ago
I think it’s capabile of a lot more, but we haven’t found the right way to use it yet. IMHO. Gotta keep tinkering!
By rogyru - 2 Years Ago
I to was confused as to what to expect from Faceware as its expensive .i will copy paste below the best responce i got to my questions from freerange . Maybe they should call it Lipware as it seems the viseme is what its all about. You still have to do all the expressions manually in facepuppet.  Problem is people who post there work are just posting the raw viseme layer and not finishing the animation with a manual pass over with the facepuppet tool , so it looks bad and not natural. thedirector1974 is correct  we can do every thing Faceware does with the facepuppet and lipsync options already inside Iclone. Faceware is a big time saver when it comes to viseme which is useful for large productions i assume.

quote]freerange (11/6/2017)


In professional usage face capture is never used raw in the end product, it always goes through cleanup and animation. Without the curve editor getting a solid facial performance in iClone will be super challenging. The viseme system needs a lot of work, or you have to do one of the crazy workarounds that use Crazytalk and a speech to text engine to get something close to accurate. Face puppet on it's own always looks procedural so unless you are adding a lot of keying work on it, it just does not look natural. 
No silver bullet, just time savers, and face ware is a big time saver.[/quote]
By Delerna - 2 Years Ago
There many good points made here.
My decision to buy the faceware plugin was not because I thought it was going to create way better facial animations than the methods that are part of iClone.
I bought it because I thought it was going to make creating good facial animations faster and easier than through the other methods.
I haven't decided whether it was worth it yet because I'm currently spending most of my time creating content for requests as well as a Harry potter fan fiction video I am wanting to make for personal viewing. I haven't had time to check out the face puppet and face key methods yet. I have tried faceware a bit but having trouble with lighting to get it working effectively.
I am starting to wonder if I was silly buying it before trying out the new iclone7 facial animations. Hopefully, when I start my fan fiction video I will discover it is valuably faster and easier with the faceware plugin? 




By kungphu - 2 Years Ago
thedirector1974 (12/5/2017)
I really hoped to see some footage to show me how convincing this faceware plugin is, but sorry, Idon't see it. Guys. This plugin costs almost 1k and I know some of you have it already. Where are the videos, to show me the superior quality I would expect for such a high price???

Direx




I’ve only used it a few times. What I noticed is that there isn’t a whole lot of cheeck movement which would be great. If you watch Pixar films when the lips move so do the checks. There is tongue movement and that helps. The thing I’ve noticed so far is that it did capture some subtle eye animation that I wouldn’t have been able to animate myself using keys. It’s a scene where a boy is in the phone with a girl that won’t stop talking. He’s getting bored/frustrated and his eyes get bigger as she speaks on and on kinda like “get on with it already girl.” I couldn’t have animated that. Very subtle but I think it added a bit to the film.

For me FW meant speed. I do a bunch of 48hr film festivals and I never have time to properly animate faces given my timeframe. You can do a really quick first pass and get some decent facial animation in minutes rather than hours of keying. That’s the value for me. I’ll keep working with it and see if I can get better/more expressive results. It also has to do with the person doing the acting. You have to facially act out the part not just read the lines.its FW and that’s a premium product so I’m thinking there is much much more we can be doing with it once we really get under the surface. Just my 2 cents.
By charly Rama - 2 Years Ago

when I look at other software on the net that cost much more expensive, I tell myself that there is indeed a difference in quality but I hope that with time and updates, this plug in will improved. Yes, it's expensive but this software saves us a lot of time
By thedirector1974 - 2 Years Ago
animagic (12/8/2017)
I don't understand why everyone who shows some FW results gets beaten up...Unsure 

I've said before it's a learning process, and frankly it's nobody's business how those who've bought FW spend their money. It would probably be much better to animate with pencil and paper than do all this 3D stuff and cheaper too.

Did I do that?
It's not about the money or some jealousy about people who use FW in iClone. Is it wrong to expect some results from such a high priced software I couldn't achieve with key frame animation? I don't think so. There are some people here who use FW since it came out and there are only a view videos which show us results created with FW. And those results weren't bad at all, that's not what I meant. But I didn't see anything in those videos I couldn't do with key frame animation and face puppet. That's all ...

Direx
By animagic - 2 Years Ago
I don't understand why everyone who shows some FW results gets beaten up...Unsure 

I've said before it's a learning process, and frankly it's nobody's business how those who've bought FW spend their money. It would probably be much better to animate with pencil and paper than do all this 3D stuff and cheaper too.
By charly Rama - 2 Years Ago
Hi everybody, after one day spent with faceware plugin, I'm really satisfied. Many things can be done better but I'm still learning (sorry, I did a bad manipulation and the topic was created 2 times; sorry :-)

https://youtu.be/cyQVXIXm7Xs
By charly Rama - 2 Years Ago
I agree. 
In this example, I think it should be better indeed if facial motion was edited with curve editor, but for a "non professional" user like me, it is enough 

https://youtu.be/NrmCzt7NTxg
By hj - 2 Years Ago
Where are the videos, to show me the superior quality I would expect for such a high price???


Ich antworte wieder in deutsch.
Da wirst du wohl lange warten, weil du einen bestimmten professionellen Anspruch hast, etwas ganz bestimmtes sehen willst. Am besten holst du dir die 30 Tage-Version und probierst es selber aus wo und wie das Plugin dich unterstützen kann. Wenn einer wie du alles Schritt für Schritt entwickelt, dann kann es sein, das er das Plugnin nicht braucht. Dann wäre es nur nützlich, wenn du damit Zeit sparst. Für einen professionellen Einsatz ist der Preis nicht hoch, für den sogenannten normal Verbraucher sicher. Es kommt eben auf dein Bugett für das Projekt an.
Der Vorteil ist, das du jetzt nicht nur die Stimmen deiner Darsteller, sondern auch die Gesichts-Mimik gleichzeitg mit übertragen kannst.

Hans Jörgen