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By thedirector1974 - 8 Years Ago
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Hi folks,
welcome to my WIP diary for my new iClone 7 movie "ALIEN - The Message".
As you may have guessed, this movie will be a bit different from my other movies, cause this one is founded by pure fanship. I really love the original SiFi-shocker "Alien" from 1979. A perfect movie, in my opinion, never reached by any of it's sequels. This year, Ridley Scott released a new Alien movie, called "The Covenant" and this movie was insulting. I couldn't believe it and I asked myself, why is it not possible anymore to make good, decent sifi movies? I asked myself, if I could do this better and more grounded. And so the idea was born to do a fan film, devoted to the original movie from 1979.
WHAT IS THIS THREAD?
In this thread I will post my progress during the production. Pictures, little behind the scenes stories, samples for animation, etc. Everything you could be interested in. Today I will start with the main character and the sets, which are already finished.
WHATS THE STORY?
I don't want to spoil a lot, but ther will be a ship, called "HORIZON" and this ship has landed on the famous planetoid "LV-426". There is a member of the crew, EMILY. And she needs to figure out where the hell is everyone else and what is this lifeform, which is suddendly on board of the HORIZON ...
I know, this is vague, but I can assure you, I created a story, 20th Century Fox could easily make canon, if they want to. Th script is written and it's about 30 pages big, so this movie will be the longest I ever did in iclone.
O.K. Let's introduce you to the main characters of the movie ...
First we have EMILY WATSON ...
She is part of the sience team, which was supposed to examine the planteoid LV-426. She is the main charcater of the movie and she will be the one with the most scenes. There is another character, who has only one but big scene in the movie and that's DR. NOLAN ...
He is the doctor on board of the horizon.
ABOUT THE SETS
When I decided to do this, I really wanted to go for the original set design. I didn't wanted to use some normal "si fi" model sets. Problem was, were could I get proper 3d models of the interior of the ship. There was only one solution to this. Some years ago, SEGA released a game called "Alien Isolation". In there, all the sets and props could be found. But it was a hard way to get them. I will do a seperate video about this stuff. In short - there were some tools to extract the models and the textures from the game and there was another tool to get them in Blender. I have friend, Andreas. I know him since the early scool days and he is really into creating 3D models. I asked him if he could find a way to get those models and he did. Since May 2017 he assembles those models to really great sets and believe me - this was really hard work.
I made a little video to show you the first sets, which are finished and ready for production. It's all rendered in iClone 7, with GI, a lot of spotlights and other things. You will see some flickering here and there, that's because the Global Illumination isn't tweaked in every scene.
That's all for today. I will update this thread as soon as I have news to tell.
Greetings, Direx
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By illusionLAB - 8 Years Ago
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Very nice work! It breaks my heart to see all the alias flickering... surely it's worth rendering the final movie with Blender cycles or similar - obviously more work and time, but your production looks worthy of the extra effort.
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By Peter Blood - 8 Years Ago
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A great set of...sets. :) Ready for a great story.
I thought everything looked beautiful, illusionLABs' point being well taken. (Is there an easy or laymans way to correct those?)
The only thing I noticed was the "Wet Floor" sign seemed a bit out of place in a futuristic setting. Something computerized with
flashing lights and an audio warning ["Good morning sir or madam, LOOK OUT the floor is 'fracking' wet!!"] or a cute little robot in a maids
costume who warns you in a French accent while cleaning up ["Pardon Monsieur or Madam, LOOK OUT, the floor is fracking wet!"] Well, those didn't work
out so well even with the Battlestar Galactica reference but you get my drift. :P
Very much looking forward to the great story to go along with these great sets.
:cool: pete
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By TonyDPrime - 8 Years Ago
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Really looks excellent.
My only styling difference would be on the Ketchup bottle and coffee, a touch more transparent to really make them pop as liquidy, but that's just a taste thing, yours looks great the way it is.
Fantastic job assembling this wonderful preview!
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By toystorylab - 8 Years Ago
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Wow, looks very promising...
Nice SETTING :w00t:
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By justaviking - 8 Years Ago
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Wonderful news. It looks like you're off to a great start on an ambitious project.
Tony beat me to a comment about the ketchup bottle. It needs to be desaturated some to fit into the rest of the scene, unless you want us to focus on it (like "something" is in it). I supposed a "futuristic" styling wouldn't hurt, but it's fun to have a little retro "touch of home" tossed in here and there. It was just too vibrant in my opinion.
It will be fun to see how this unfolds. Looking forward to seeing more.
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By mark - 8 Years Ago
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It's going to be amazing for sure!!! :D:D
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By BOLPHUNGA - 8 Years Ago
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looks great! but the lighting is too bright for a alien movie,
this is just to show off the sets though?
the alien isolation game has superb design.
very tough to rip stuff from it, monumental work.
if you need assets or pro vfx just ask.
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By hj - 8 Years Ago
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Das Set sieht beeindruckend aus und das das viel Arbeit war, das kann man sehen.
Hoffentlich können die Animationsmögliochkeiten von iClone deinem Anspruch gerecht werden.Jetzt hast du ja den "Curven Editor" und das "Face-Ware" Plugin als Arbeitsmöglickeit zur Verfügung. Da bin ich wirklich mal auf ein professsionelle Umsetzung gespannt, wo man nicht schnell die typischen iClone-Bewegungen erkennen kann.
Viel Spaß und nicht übermäßig viel Frust bei Umsetzen deiner Ideen und deiner Geschichte.
Es wäre schön, wenn du immer mal ein paar Details deiner Erfahrungen mit iClone bei der Umsetzung eines solchen Werkes posten kannst. Ich schreibe das alles hier in deutsch, weil ich Googe-Übersetzungen hasse und ich auch nicht immer weiss, ob das, was ich meinte, Google auch so übersetzt.
beste Grüße und viel Erfolg und Durchhaltevermögen bei deinem Projekt
Hans Jörgen
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By thedirector1974 - 8 Years Ago
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UPDATE 11/22/2017
Thanx for all your comments. I really appreciate this.
@tony
Yes, the ketchup bottle is little bit too red. This is a prop ripped directly from the game "Alien Isolation". i didn't touched it, so I will look into it to get more desaturated ...
@aeMax
Thanx for your offer. I will get back to you when the time comes. Thanx.
Today is the day of leaving pre-production. I started my first animation, so "shooting" the movie has begun. Let's see what surprises iClone has for me on this journey ...
On this picture you can see, I just started the animation. Nothing fancy to be seen here right now. Let's see, what the new features of iClone 7.1 has to offer.
Until next time ...
Direx
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By rampart - 8 Years Ago
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Transitions?
Transitions are necessary?
I got involved with transitions some time back, started studying finished movies and most switch entire scenes instantly no transitions.
Maybe has to do with gamer culture or something, but just thought I would mention.
Your sets are excellent
Thanks for posting it is always nice to see your kind of work even in starting phases
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By justaviking - 8 Years Ago
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thedirector1974 (11/22/2017)
Yes, the ketchup bottle is little bit too red. This is a prop ripped directly from the game "Alien Isolation". i didn't touched it, so I will look into it to get more desaturated ...
You can probably do that directly in iClone.
When you select the "Diffuse" (or Base Material) texture for the bottle, the adjustment iClone below the set of textures should allow you to tone down the color. It's not elegant, but it'll probably do a fine job considering it will only be 20 seconds of effort.
Thanks for the additional WIP pictures. Really looking great. Eagerly looking forward to seeing more.
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By thedirector1974 - 8 Years Ago
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UPDATE 11/23/2017
Hi there,
yesterday I had quite some time, so I created the firs scene of my movie right away. Nothing fancy, just a "wake up" scene, only two differnt camera angles. Rendering was pretty tough. I don't know why, but my PC needed much more time to render the scene in comparison to the last build of iClone. I am not sure if there is a special thing within the project which causes the performance hit, but I will look into this.
I rendered the second shot during night time. It took my PC about 4h to get this 60s shot done!
After finishing this, I imported those shots into my editing software, to figure out the look of the movie, using some post processing effect tools.
Until next time ...
Direx
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By Rampa - 8 Years Ago
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This is looking really epic! Beautiful work on it.
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By thedirector1974 - 8 Years Ago
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UPDATE 11/27/2017
Hi folks,
I got some spare time and I use it to create the first scenes of the movie. I will use them to convince the actors I need for several roles. I will start the casting within the next week. Sadly the biggest forum for semiprofessional actors (VVA) is down and it doesn't seem to be back online soon. So I have to switch to www.castingcall.club and see how it goes from there.
There are also news from the set section. My friend has sent me some pictures of the current state of the next set he is working on - the cockpit ...
Have a look ...
and onother one ...
As you can see, this set is extreme detailed and its really hard to put all those models together. There are more than 200 different objects + a lot more lamps and buttons. As you can see, there is a lot of texture work to be done. I think this set will take some time to get it finished.
O.K. I will end this update with another picture fresh out of the movie. Stay tuned for more ...
Until next time ...
Direx
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By BOLPHUNGA - 8 Years Ago
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@direx
doing glows differently now,
so they don't flicker, or get muddy at a distance.
basically don't use a glow map
and just set it to self illuminate, then adjust the GI settings on the texture
then the ibl/hdr/tone map will take care of the glows.
also 32 bit images wont hurt if they are glow only texures
the panels and whatever will emit light as well..
try a few tests..
if nothing else, the light fixtures in the set model can light the scenes
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By Pixtim - 8 Years Ago
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WOW ! really, really nice work ! oO !!! a superb project!
Ogier
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By thedirector1974 - 8 Years Ago
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AeMax (11/27/2017)
@direx
doing glows differently now,
so they don't flicker, or get muddy at a distance.
basically don't use a glow map
and just set it to self illuminate, then adjust the GI settings on the texture
then the ibl/hdr/tone map will take care of the glows.
also 32 bit images wont hurt if they are glow only texures
the panels and whatever will emit light as well..
try a few tests..
if nothing else, the light fixtures in the set model can light the scenes
Hmm. I don't know. I just did a test on that lamps without any glowmap and it looks awful. You know, you can tweak a lot via glow map. That light blue/green tone of the lamps all came from the glow maps. Self illumination is on as well. Its much needed for the GI. But GI doesn't help with everything. I did put under every lamp a spotlight with shadows, facing downwards, to get the leather parts of the wall more visible.
If you have a way to look the lights like they do on that last screenshot without glowmaps, I am happy to know about it.
Direx
P.S. The lights on that screeshot are to bright. This came through color correction (changing gamma values) and will be reduced later ...
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By justaviking - 8 Years Ago
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Really appreciate the WIP images.
Thanks for sharing your journey with us.
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By Capemedia - 8 Years Ago
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Incredible work keep it up :)
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By txon - 8 Years Ago
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the images look fantastic
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By toystorylab - 8 Years Ago
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thedirector1974 (11/27/2017)
Wow, that looks creepy... Imagine after waking up, walk around in your undies and some ugly, deadly creatures lurk about...
Well, she probably even does not know there are some creatures out there :sick:
Again, looks very promising!
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By kungphu - 8 Years Ago
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Wow! Just Wow! This has the potential to be the best use of iclone to date! Can’t wait to see the story unfolds. I hope you get some great voice actors to go with the stunning images. This is one to watch for sure!
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By Cary B - 8 Years Ago
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Some beautiful work, congratulations! Eager to see the animated scenes.
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By justaviking - 8 Years Ago
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@Shadoesword - Lovely artwork, but please shrink it to at least 1/4 of the original size.
https://forum.reallusion.com/258060/Forum-Rules?Keywords=signature
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By Cary B - 8 Years Ago
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Yeah, thanks, Viking. I thought it would show up smaller.
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By justaviking - 8 Years Ago
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Shadoesword (11/29/2017)
Yeah, thanks, Viking. I thought it would show up smaller.
No problem.
It's a nice piece of art. Just resize it in something (even MS Paint) and stick it in your signature. :)
Now back to the creepy and scary stuff..... :alien:
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By thedirector1974 - 8 Years Ago
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UPDATE 21/8/2017
Just a quick update.
I am currently working on two fronts regarding this movie. On one hand I render stuff I can do. this depends on two things. Do I have the set ready to go and does the scene need a voice over. I don't have my actors yet, so I have to tend to scenes where no voice acting is needed. And this leads us to the second front I am working on - the casting. On December the 1st I started the casting on www.castingcall.club. It took some time to create a suitable casting call, but I think it's working. Until today I have more than 60 auditions for all parts and there are some really good performers among them. I have a good feeling regarding this topic.
The casting will be open until end of december and maybe I will extend it a bit more, because I am on vacation during the holidays (New York).
Here on of my last renderings, just to show you that the EMILY is not forced to wear her undies ... :D:D:D
Until next time ...
Direx
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By kungphu - 8 Years Ago
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I guess we have some haters here. I just notice the thread had a 1 star rating. Seriously??? That must be jealousy because I think your work looks amazing! Can't wait to see the rest. I'll give it a better rating than 1 star.It's more than deserved. I just don't understand some people here.:ermm:
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By thedirector1974 - 7 Years Ago
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UPDATE 01/24/2018
Hi Folks,
it's been over a month now since my last update. I really hope you got well into 2018 and I wish you all the luck for your dreams and projects you plan for this year.
O.K.
Let's talk about "Alien - The Message". There are some news to tell. Good and bad ones. I'll start with the good ones.
The Casting is over. I made my decission and it took some days longer as expected, because there were so much and so good actors involved. I used the following site to search for the actors.
https://www.castingcall.club/
This was part of my casting call, I made on late november 2017:
As you can see, I decided to create a "professional" casting call. I had to pay 5$ and this had som advantages. First, this casting call had a different color than the others, actors with no certified audio quality weren't allowed to attend and all the members with certified audio quality aand gold status got an e-mail about this casting call. It worked very well. After a few days, I got mere than 60 entries and at the end there were more than 140 entries, waiting to get listen to. The casting call ended on 01/05/2018. After that, I had the task to listen und to decide who would be the best fit for all those roles. First of all, I created a excel sheet with all the entries. I did rate the audio quality and the actor skills, both between 1 (bad) to 10 (very good). When I was finished I got this:
Excel sheet Round 1
Just quick explanation about the colors you see here.
RED = Those were the entries which got a final number below 17. Sometimes it was because ofthe bad audio quality and sometimes because of the actor skills itself.
YELLOW = Those were the entries, which are considered to be listend again in the next round.
BLUE = Those were my favorites at the time I made this sheet.
Here we go again. Round 2 looks like this ...
As you can see, there were less names on the list and all those red lines indicate, there will be much lesser candidates in round 3. At this point of the decission process, it wasn't about the skill of acting. It was more about the fact wether a voice fit the charcter more than another voice actor. You can see, that I already made my decission about the small roles "BOSS" and "EMPLOYEE". Every other role had to go to round 3. And this was a tough one. Especially for the main role EMILY WATERS. There were 3 actresses, which are so good and so close to what I wanted. I couldn't decide just by listen to the audition lines only. So I started iClone, loaded the charcter in a project and aplied those audition lines to the charcter, so I could listen to the lines and see the charcter at the same time. That helped.
Final sheet after I made my decission:
It is interesting, that the part of the three amin roles were going to actors I hadn't in mind after round 1. Sometimes it doesn't work, even if you are a very good actor, with a very good voice. The main aspect is - does the actor fit the character? That's the main issue I have to think about.
As I am writing this entry, I almost have every audio file I need for the movie, so the process of getting the audio files from the actors is almost done.
One other thing. I paid the actors for their work. It is a privat project of mine. There is no budget I can spend, but I think if I use someone's profession, I have to give something back. So I decided to pay 5€ per line. This is a big project and I wanted good actors on this. The actress of the main charcter had a part on the latest "Mass Effect" game, so I am very happy to have her on board ...
NEWS ABOUT THE SETS
My friend, who is working on the sets of this movie has sent my two pictures of a very important set piece and I thought why not showing them:
Yesterday I got the set itself and I am working on it right now, because there are some big scenes playing in this communication room. I think I will get the biggest set piece - the cockpit - within a few days, so we are making progress on this too.
THE NOT SO GOOD NEWS
After the holiday break I came back to the project and I rendered a lot of scenes since them. Luckily I have some time to spend and I made good progress. I nearly finished all the scenes without any dialogue I could do. When I get the next important set pieces (cockpit and mother) I will have a lot of scenes to cover. Sadly I discovered, that the update to 7.2 brought back some bugs, Reallusion already took out in 7.1. There is a problem with the DOF mask, similar to the problems we had with 7.0. When I updated to 7.2 I immediatly relized a change on the glow maps. They looked a bit fuzzy, as something wasn't right about the resoultion. But that wasn't the only thing. For some reason objects with opacity maps weren't rendered correctly within the DOF mask, as you can see in this render here:
Since it has no use to render with such graphical errors, I decided to stop all rendering. I will create the scenes and prepare averything for the final render, but I wait until this problem fixed ... again. Sorry.
But I don't want to colse this entry on the downside, so here is a still taken from the movie.
Until next time ...
Direx
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By Rogue Anime - 7 Years Ago
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thedirector1974 (1/24/2018)
The Casting is over. I made my decision
Direx - WOW! Did not know you were casting - Too bad I missed out on THAT! I'm a 30yr voice acting vet. I do games, animation & lots of narration, talking toys, etc. Let me know if you need any back-up. Send me a PM if you're ever interested, and I'll send you to my voice talent website. Best of luck, your movie looks absolutely stunning, I would LOVE to have been a part of it..:crying: ~V~
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By GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS - 7 Years Ago
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@thedirector1974
I've always been a big fan of yours, and your ALIEN project comfort me with that feeling especially now that I know we do have the exact same opinion about the Alien old/new generation movies ; )
I can't wait to see the final result, you have all my support and encouragements. If I can help in any way, please ask.
Discovering your project (recently because I was away from iClone for some times) re-boosted my own motivation and inspiration, so I also wanted to thank you for that.
Cheers,
Guy.
ps: regarding the issue with glow maps, if I were you I would not use those at all and rely solely on HDR glow, I found it more clean and reliable, no artifact so far in 7.2:
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By thedirector1974 - 7 Years Ago
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Wow. Very nice set. Where is this from? Did you render this with iClone?
You know, I tried to let go of the glow maps, but without them I can't get any glow effect at all. So how do I create the HDR effect in iClone without any glow maps?
Direx
P.S. Nice to see you back on iClone ...
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By GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS - 7 Years Ago
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thedirector1974 (1/27/2018)
Wow. Very nice set. Where is this from? Did you render this with iClone?../..
Rendered with iClone 7.2 + post grading. The set is called "Sci-Fi Crew Quarters" from the artist Stonemason from the Daz3D marketplace.
thedirector1974 (1/27/2018)
../..You know, I tried to let go of the glow maps, but without them I can't get any glow effect at all. So how do I create the HDR effect in iClone without any glow maps?../..
First, to avoid glow maps, all surfaces that are supposed to emit lights must have their own Material (the entire surface Material will emit light). Then the Material must have its "Self Illumination" parameter greater than 0 (here all are at 100). Then if you use GI, set the "Glow/Self-Illumination Scale" to 10 for a start. Once you have prepared your surface(s) Material this way, then enable HDR in the Visual section with default parameters value (no tone mapping, no glare). Just adjust the "Threshold* level (here I've lowered it to 20) and the *Bloom Scale* value (here at 5) to your liking.
The drawback of this approach is that you have to separate the surface/material of all your light emitting areas. But this way, once done, no more artifact (at least for me and so far..).
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By thedirector1974 - 7 Years Ago
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UPDATE 02/02/2018
Hi folks,
some quick update on the project.
Casting process is done. I have all the audio files and now I can do the scenes, which contain dialogue.
I make good progress. I finished the first half of a bigger scene in the communiction room. Some days ago I got a new set from my friend Andreas. He finished the cockpit of the spaceship and it looks amazing.
I reworked some of the lighting and within the last days I contructed the sourrounding planet surface of LV-426.
Here are two pictures, both take directly from iclone. No postprocessing effects ...
Until next time ...
Direx
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By GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS - 7 Years Ago
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::D Very nice. No more glow maps ?
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By mark - 7 Years Ago
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It's going to be fantastic!!!:D
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By thedirector1974 - 7 Years Ago
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grabiller (2/2/2018)
::D Very nice. No more glow maps ?
A lot of them. I really like those glow maps. It's just a matter of how strong they shine. There is a lot of fine tuning involved, but when it's done right, it will look great ...
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By GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS - 7 Years Ago
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thedirector1974 (2/3/2018)
grabiller (2/2/2018)
::D Very nice. No more glow maps ?A lot of them. I really like those glow maps. It's just a matter of how strong they shine. There is a lot of fine tuning involved, but when it's done right, it will look great ...
Have you considered to do the glows in post to have better control and avoid issues during *shooting* ?
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By Peaches Chrenko - 7 Years Ago
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:) Looks A m a z i n g Can't wait! I subscribed to this post. Looking forward to following your excellent work :) ~Peaches Chrenko~
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By IjonT - 7 Years Ago
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Fantastic work! I love the lighting and DOF effects, and especially the attention to detail in all the scenes.I'm really looking forward to the animation - I hope you'll post some demo clips, would be great to see it!
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By kungphu - 7 Years Ago
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This looks so friggon good! If you need an orchestral score shoot me a PM. I’m working on a sci-fi score right now actually. Should fit in well with what I’m already doing.
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By darth_angelus - 7 Years Ago
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Very impressive! :D
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By thedirector1974 - 7 Years Ago
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UPDATE 03/28/2018
Hi Folks,
it's been a while since the last update. Several things are responsible for that. Work, a computer game called "Kingdom Come Deliverance" and the hope of an update for iClone.
This will be just a reminder, that the project is still alive. I will put out more content at the end of this week, like a making of video which shows some of the new sets, the lighting and cmaerawork. Until then I have a short animation example for you, so you can see how the animation will look like in the final movie. This clip has no sound ...
Until next time ...
Direx
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By mark - 7 Years Ago
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Simply....Brilliant!!! :D
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By Cary B - 7 Years Ago
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Beautiful lighting and rendering, a fantastic look. You really have shown what is possible with this program.
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By toystorylab - 7 Years Ago
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Nice... Want more :alien:
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By sonic7 - 7 Years Ago
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Yeah - just scanned this thread for the first time ...
This is the sort of standard I'd hoped to see with the likes of iClone.
You've really got a good eye - it shows .... plus you obviously have good technical ability.
Very impressive .....
Steve.
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By thebiz.movies - 7 Years Ago
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Hey Rene, Love the camerawork in this shot! I really like the way the camera has a slight delay before following her into the room and then pushes in once shes seated in the chair. Would love to hear about how you design and execute this (plus the handheld shakey effect). Looking forward to more!
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By james_muia - 7 Years Ago
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Stellar project! This definitely gives others hope that you can achieve fantastic results if you're willing to put in the time!
Looks like you might be using Magic Bullet for color correction or maybe something else. Nice!
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By thedirector1974 - 7 Years Ago
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Thanx for all your support. And yes, there is some color correction involved ... :)
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By TonyDPrime - 7 Years Ago
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WHOA!...
That camera work is masterful.. The camera stood out to me, it looked real. You feel the tension and urgency throughout.
That was the first iClone video that ever made me feel like I was physically there.
SICK!
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By thedirector1974 - 7 Years Ago
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UPDATE 04/02/2018
Hi folks,
As promised days earlier, I made the first part of a making of series concerning certain themes about the ongoing production. In this part I will show you some of the new sets and I will talk about the handshake camera and about some of the lighting stuff I created for the bridge of the HORIZON. At the end of the video you'll see a glimpse of a brand new set - the medbay, which I got two days ago. My friend, Andres Günther, has done a remarkable job converting all this stuff and I really don't know how this project would have looked like without him.
O.K. Here is the video ...
Thoughts about the camera work
After releasing a short clip showing some animation, I got very positive replies, especially about the camera work. It was kind of documentary style, handshake cameramovement. I can tell you, this wasn't planned at the beginning of the production. Several weeks ago I used this system to spice up an action scene and it worked very well. So since then I made all scenes in this style and after those positve responses for my short clip, I came to the conclusion that my movie should have this style of camera work. I will go away from traditional camera set ups and I will create some kind of documentary style. This means I have to redo some of the earlier scenes ... again.
The animation of the characters won't be touched, but all the camera stuff will be changed and I will reduce the amount of shots per scene, just to keep it close to the documetary style. I think this will give the movie a style you'll never have seen in an "Alien" movie ...
Some other news
I will use faceware in this production. I just made some tests and it looked very promising. I will do some promotional stuff for Reallusion about it, because after the test I am really excited about this technology. There will be at least on big tutorial about the use of facware and especially I will talk about the ways to enhance the outcome. And i will do a short scene (2 to 3 minutes) with dialogue, so you can see faceware in action within a short story. And I will do another video, which features a dialogue I already finished using face puppet and face key. I will redo this dialogue with faceware and then I will compare those two segment to each other. I think this is the best way to show the capabilities of this software.
So. This is it for today. As usual I will end this update with two screenshots, which show you the bridge of the HORIZON.
Have fun with your projects ...
Greetings, René
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By GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS - 7 Years Ago
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Awesome! Thanks for sharing this making of, very informative.
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By TonyDPrime - 7 Years Ago
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Rene, 3 things:
1 - OUTSTANDING work. You and your partner will get a lot of recognition for this, I am sure!
2 - You sound just Like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I would love to hear an impersonation.
3 - regarding the cam, LOVE IT!....I think it is a unique style that you have, but I do think it would be okay for you to experiment with traditional angles mixed in as well in combination, ie- following the back and then zooming in suddenly on something in the scene, for no apparent reason, and then flashing back, could enhance a sudden jumpy feeling of menace or anxiousness. Oh well, just a thought....!
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By sonic7 - 7 Years Ago
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Very nice work Rene...
I like your effective use of lighting both visible and emulated.
And that POV camera/performer is a great idea.
I do agree with Tony's comment about your style being 'unique' and whether (some) traditional steady angles wouldn't perhaps offer welcome relief from 'all' moving camera shots - Suspense would certainly be added by a 'contrasting' from 'steady' to 'moving' ... (maybe I'm biased - I do like steady establishing shots and smoothly executed tracking shots).
This is really an epic undertaking Rene! - I'm really looking forward to more...
There's so much we can be learn from creators like yourself. (and I'm happy that 'sci-fi' is so prevalent here on this forum - love it!).
Wishing you the very best with this! ...
Steve.
◇◇◇ If you are working on something that you really care about, you don’t have to be pushed. The vision pulls you. ◇◇◇ - Steve Jobs
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By toystorylab - 7 Years Ago
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Wow, very impressive, cool sets, wonderful lighting...
Thanx for this detailed "insight" :w00t:
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By Peter Blood - 7 Years Ago
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Verrrry nice work Rene. I feel it's important to build sets that are detailed enough so as not to break the immersion and
you've certainly done that with these sets. Excellent work.
:cool: pete
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By TonyDPrime - 7 Years Ago
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I wonder how a frame would look rendered from Indigo, or later if it all was rendered in Iray :blink::blink::blink::blink::w00t:
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By thedirector1974 - 7 Years Ago
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UPDATE 09/27/2018
Hi folks,
it's been a while since my last update. I know. Unfortunatly there were several reasons which kept me away from the project for several months. First there was a project I had to do in May and the end result was the short scene "The talk".
This movie got really mixed reactions and I was a bit frustrated about that. There are some other reasons for it, but this is not a topic I want to talk about.
The I got a lot of work to do in real life so I was very busy within the last months. I am currently working on a travel documentation about Japan. It's a crazy project, shot in 4K 60fps. You can't imagine the amount of data this format creates. To work on this I used on of my biggest harddrives, the one with all my files from this project on it. And of course, the unthinkable happend. I bought this harddrive on April this year and several weeks ago it crashed!!! I took a while to realize that all my data from the "Alien" project was on this harddrive. I was devestated. I bought a recovery software and I was able to recover most of my files. The recording from the actors, most of the graphic sets and textures and most important - the sound files from the alien game "Alien Isolation", which were all sorted by hand. I really don't want to do this again.
So in terms of the project it was a really nasty summer. But I used the time I wasn't doing anything with iClone. I thought about the project and I decided to do some major changes. The first thing my freind Andreas and I changed was the costume. Andreas figured out a way to trnsfer the costume from the game into iClone and I was eager to have the original flightsuit in this movie. It took a lot of trial and error to make this work. We almost gave up on the idea, but after a lot of trials, Andreas managed to get a working flightsuit. You can see it a bit on this still.
As you can see, the visual style of the movie changed. This has several reasons. First, I wanted the movie look like a movie from the 70s, so I tried to get a more softer color sceme, not so much blue, more green and yellow. Second, I had to change my effect library on my video edit software AVID. I had to update to the newest version and so the library wasn't working anymore. I could have installed an update for several thousand dollars, but I didn't want to pay so much money, so i bought the "Ignite" library for 200 dollars. This library is not so powerfull like the old one, but it does the job. There are some pretty nice cinematic effects in there and I really like the look, but it's harder to get this look. I ahve to play with the values much more.
I also decided to change the camera work. I will reshoot every scene to make the camera handheld. I really like the documentation camera style. This will give that movie a unique style. I also want to reduce the ammount of cameras per scene. I just want to let the sequences flow with less editing at the end. I have a small clip to show you how I want to be the movie look like.
That's all for today. Until next time ...
Direx
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By thedirector1974 - 6 Years Ago
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UPDATE 01/09/2019
Hi folks,
it's a new year and I am highly motivated to get back to the movie.
As I wrote in my last update, I had to process some technical and artistic problems. The last half of 2018 was packed with work, so I couldn't do anything for the movie. The project was on hold during this time. In addition to that, I had a harddrive crash and I lost almost all my production files. I was able to regain some of the old material, but most of it I had to do again. I suppose it would have happend anyway, because me and may pal Andreas decided to change the costume of EMILY to the classic flightsuit, including the original stickers and name plates. I was a hell of work to get this clothes working, but we managed.
So I rendered all the scenes AGAIN and this time I changed my camera setup from stable camera to "handhold" camera style.
Finally I started this week with new scenes and sequences. I really hope I can finish the first half of the movie within the first half of this year. I am not sure what the second half of this year will get me, but I guess it will be a lot of work. Let's hoper there will be time to do scenes for this project ...
Right now there are about 10 minutes of eidted stuff finished. This is one third of the material I have in mind. So, there is a lot of work ahead of me ...
Wish me luck :)
And here are some screenies I took today from the editied movie, including post FX stuff ...
Greetings, Direx
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By kungphu - 6 Years Ago
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This is ridiculously cool!!!!! Can’t wait to see it. The stills look awesome!
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By jarretttowe - 6 Years Ago
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Please render some clips...these stills are amazing.
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By thedirector1974 - 6 Years Ago
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UPDATE 01/13/2019
Here is a little animated sequence I was working on all day yesterday. The first 20 seconds are new, the rest is stuff from last year, but updated with the new costume ...
Have fun
Direx
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By Postfrosch - 6 Years Ago
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Hi Direx
looks good what i see
Greats Postfrosch (Werner)
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By toystorylab - 6 Years Ago
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G.R.E.A.T.
Looking forward for more...
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By Rottadamic - 6 Years Ago
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Very impressive, I am looking forward for this one.
Aldo, I find the camera shaking a bit overdone, if you will do that for the entire movie, it will be a point of irritation imo
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By CtrlZ - 6 Years Ago
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The camera shaking gives a sense of uneasiness and forces you to stay on edge which lends itself to a Si Fi thriller!
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By Rottadamic - 6 Years Ago
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CtrlZ (1/14/2019)
The camera shaking gives a sense of uneasiness and forces you to stay on edge which lends itself to a Si Fi thriller!
true, but in the second half the camera goes all over the place, if it was like the first half it would be perfect.
Just giving a tip
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By thedirector1974 - 6 Years Ago
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Thanx for your thoughts.
Yes, I will do most of the camera action in handheld style. But the shaking will be dictated by the action. I know, the camera is shaking a bit more, when she enters the room. This is, because I didn't change the camera setup, which I xreated last year. I didn't knew the trick I konow now. When you put the motion files at the "camera man", you should slow them down 75%-60%. The the movements of the camera are much more smoother ...
Direx
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By Am7add9 - 6 Years Ago
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quick tip:
you can get different types of shake
by linking the camera to a activated breast bone and adjusting
mass, strength and bounciness (and motion used)
funny but true!
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By 3Aliens - 6 Years Ago
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This looks amazing!
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By Rottadamic - 6 Years Ago
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you can buy ripley on daz studio now
https://www.daz3d.com/revel-hd-for-genesis-8-female
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By jarretttowe - 6 Years Ago
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Give us a still render with iray!
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By thedirector1974 - 6 Years Ago
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Wow. This "Ripley" character looks amazing. It get's very close to the young actress ...
@jarretttowe
As soon as I have the plugin, I will do some renders, but I won't shoot the whole movie in iRay ...
Direx
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By pedrosura - 6 Years Ago
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Wow, great production... Looking forward to it.
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By thedirector1974 - 6 Years Ago
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UPDATE 03/21/2019
Hi folks,
it's been a while since I wrote here, but this doesn't mean that I am not working on the movie. I do. Every time I can.
WHAT IS FINISHED RIGHT NOW?
After such a long time of silence it is wise to look back and see what was achieved during the almost two years of production. First of all I reached a big milestone, because the first half of the movie is almost done. There is one tiny scene I can't render right now, because the set isn't finished yet. But I have almost 20 minutes of footage rendered and edited. That means 20 minutes of the movie is done!!! When I look at the script I will have about the same amount of minutes to go. So I expect the movie to be more than 40 minutes long in the end. I had to extend one scene a bit, to have another big confrontation with the alien and I will need some additional lines from the actrees, who did the role of EMILY. I plan to do this in april, after my vacation. I also will start the sound editing of the finished sequences. the first three minutes are done arleady and if you haven't seen it, here is the link to the sequence ...
WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW?
During the last three days I had to do a job I normally never do. I had to retexture my main character EMILY. After the big confrontation between here and the alien, she had contact with the acid blood of the xenomorph. If you familiar with the lore, you know haw nasty this blood can be to human tissue. So I had to create the injuries and the marks of the acid on her flightsuit. So I searched via google for fake wounds and injuries. Why fake ones? You know - real wounds and injuries look very disgusting, but fake injuries - made for TV or movies - have a certain artistic style and so they are watchable.
In the last three days I spend a lot of time switching between Photoshop, iClone and B2M to create those injuries.
Here is a small video to showcase the result of this work ...
Now I am able to do the scenes for the last minutes of my movie. There is a big part I can't work on right now, because the sets are still under construction and so I hav to concentrate on the things I can do right now. Finishing the injuries of EMILY was a vital point to get more options to do something on the movie.
HOW LONG UNTIL THE MOVIE IS FINISHED?
I do what I can. You can be sure of that. I know, I will have less time during the summer time starting in june until late october this year. That doesnt mean I won't work on the movie, but it will take much longer to finish scenes, because of the shortage of spare time. In late autmn I will have more time (so I hope) and I think I will have the sets to start the big middle part of the movie. If anything goes as planned, I think I will be finished in spring 2020.
That's it for now and as usual, here are some screens from the final movie, showcasing the sequences I was working on the last months ...
Greeetings, Direx
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By charly Rama - 6 Years Ago
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Very good job Direx.
Time is not important when we see the good result. Take all the time you need , we'll enjoy to see this. Really professional. A good model for icloners
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By thedirector1974 - 6 Years Ago
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UPDATE 07/14/2019
Hi Folks,
as usual, I have a busy summer doing editing shows and movies. But I really want to get going with my project, so I use every time I can spare to work on the movie.
Right now - about 24 minutes are finished. I am currently working on the last minutes of the film, because I still don't have the sets for the middle part of the movie. Right now, this is not a problem, because I still have plenty of scenes to do. This weekend I started with an action piece I had written only some weeks ago.
Why?
Because I looked over the script and I realized that the action comes to short in the final minutes of the movie. It felt not right, so I wrote some action in the movie. It will require to get back to the actress who playes the leading role to do some more lines. Next week I will work this out, so I can finish the scene. In the meantime I will do all the parts which will not require additional voice work.
My plan is to finish all the scenes for the ending of the movie until late october. Problem is, I have to edit a movie which will come to the (german) cinemas. That meands a lot of work, even on weekends. I really hope I can find time for my project.
As usual I will finish this post with some screens from the scene I worked on over the weekend ...
until next time ...
Direx
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By thebiz.movies - 6 Years Ago
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Here's hoping for a efficient and productive summer Rene. Love the stills!
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By toystorylab - 6 Years Ago
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Cool!
I am very curious about the full movie ;)
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By kungphu - 6 Years Ago
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These stills are crazy awesome!!!
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By thedirector1974 - 6 Years Ago
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UPDATE 08/02/2019
He folks,
I was in luck. I was able to work on my movie for two weeks straight and that was a good thing, because I managed to finish nearly 7 minutes of edited footage. That's quit a big chunk from the movie. The scenes I worked on can be seen in the last third of the movie and I really hope I can finish the whole ending in autumn this year.
Why in autumn?
Because now I am vacation for two weeks and after that i Will edit a movie for german cinema and right after that I got a TV-show to cover. So I will be in work until late october 2019. That means I will have less to no time to do anything on the movie. I try to get the scenes finished I need for the ending. There is one room to build and there will be some shots with big explosions and this isn't easy to achieve. I will talk about this later, because of spoilers.
I hope I will get the sets for the lower decks in november. My friend Andreas Günther is working on them, but it takes time. He now has two weeks off, so he can put more time into the project. The whole middle part of the movie plays on the lower decks of the spaceship, so nothing is done on this section right now. Plan is to get this going after october 2019. I really want to get this finished in spring 2020 and I'll do everything to get the movie done when the time comes.
I don't have any dead lines. No one is pushing me, but there is this feeling in me, that tells me to get this finished. I started this two years ago and I am motivated as hell right now, but on the other hand I want to get this over with. The sooner the better. There is another point. I basically rewrote the whole finale og the movie, because the original ending felt too boring. It wasn't when I wrote this, but as soon as I started with the scenes for the finale I felt it and so I created more tension, which leads to more scenes I hab to animate, much more scenes. I know this changes will help the movie, no doubt, but I used up almost the whole two weeks to get the additional scenes done.
Right now I assume the final running time of the movie will be between 40 and 45 minutes. Right now I am at 28 minutes of edited footage, so about 2/3 of the movie is finished. The light at the end of the tunnel gets brighter every days. Lets hope it's not the train ... :)
As usual - here are some screens from the scenes I was working on this last two weeks ...
Greetings, Direx
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By toystorylab - 6 Years Ago
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Damned, those stills look really nice...
Good luck with finishing your long-term project ;)
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By wungun - 6 Years Ago
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All the work that is going into this animation is truly inspiring , I cant wait to see the end result great work and please keep it up!
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By TonyDPrime - 6 Years Ago
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@Direx - looks Amazing!
Do you have any new paradigms you may try rendering with on the horizon?
ie - Unity, Unreal, Iray, Octane?
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By thedirector1974 - 6 Years Ago
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UPDATE 11/12/2019
Hi Folks,
A small update this time, just to show you that this project is still alive.
I had a lot of paid work to do within the last months. I edited 9 episodes of a popular german show for teens and one movie for the german cinemas. Most of the work is done and so I always work on my movie project when I got some time left.
The last third of the movie is almost done. There are a few missing shots, becuase I need some voice work to be done and there is one big set I don't have rigth now. But 95% of the third act is finished and edited together. Right now, about 31 minutes of eidted footage is done and ready for sound and music. I wanted to have this part finished in autumn and I manged to do so. That's good, because I really want this finished in spring 2020. I am exhausted to be honest. It's not that I don't have fun to create those scenes, but it gets tideous over time. It feels like a tread mill and I don't like that at all.
So, it feels good to add one piece after another to the edit of the movie and today I rendered the first two shots for the middle part of the movie. That's the part where almost nothing exists right now. The sets are almost finished and there si only one big set piece missing. I think I will get this set at the end of this year. I hope so at least.
I also updated my hardware some weeks ago. Now I have a NVIDIA 2080 SUPER gpu with 8GB VRAM. I also updated the RAM, motherboard and CPU. iClone runs really fine now, even with GI eneabled. Render times are also much better now. This will help to get the scenes done in faster time ...
That's all for now. And as usual, here are some screens from the final movie ...
Greetings, Direx
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By Walt_R - 6 Years Ago
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Very nice. Keep up the great work. It's gets tiring like running a marathon but you're almost there with the finish line in sight. Looking forward to the release in Spring of 2020.
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By kungphu - 6 Years Ago
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These are really inspiring!!! Is that smoky haze from a window a combination of particle FX and bloom? Super curious how you made that "look." It's all sorts of great!!!
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By thedirector1974 - 6 Years Ago
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kungphu (11/13/2019)
These are really inspiring!!! Is that smoky haze from a window a combination of particle FX and bloom? Super curious how you made that "look." It's all sorts of great!!!
I assume you refering to the last still. Yes, you are right. It's a combination of particle fx and bloom. I still use the old particle fx (called "legacy" in iClone 7), because those fx are way better to handle than the popcorn fx. I used the "bath tub" particle fx and some "small smoke" fx. In combination with the right lighting and GI, you'll get this hazy look at the end.
The native renderer of iClone can do some amazing things, that's for sure ...
Direx
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By kungphu - 6 Years Ago
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Thanks for the reply and tips! This thread really has inspired me to strive for better lighting in my scenes. These stills are nothing short of amazing. It really shows off that iclone isn't just for silly toons, but for serious films too. With a solid script and the quality of your visuals, no doubt you'll have an engaging film! Thanks for showing us what can be done with some creative lighting and simple FX. Extremely impressed by your work!!!!
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By toystorylab - 6 Years Ago
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Yo, nice stills!
And thanx for your "insight" how you achieved that "hazy" look...
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By Capemedia - 6 Years Ago
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I have been waiting for this patiently my friend.
I know you make projects that are all about quality and this will be up there.
Thanks :)
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By thedirector1974 - 5 Years Ago
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UPDATE 2020/02/02
Hi folks,
another small upadate about the project.
I really had hoped to get more time to do the scenes, when christmas has arrived. And guess what? No chance. I had so much work concerning several commercial projects I was working on, I couldn't do anything until January 26th. For me, this is bad news, because I calculated the time and I was sure that I would have a lot of time in january. So, did I start at Jan 27th?
No!!!!! I got sick. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
Today is the first day I feel better now and I started production again. I still aim for the late spring date for release, but this means - no more delays. Let's hope everything works out.
My friend Andreas is really busy working on the last set. I just received some pictures of a secondary set, he just finished today.
The final setpiece I need for the movie - the machine room - is almost done, so I have no delays from this side of the production. I am really thankful that Andreas is working so hard to get the enviroment right. That's a real relieve, that's for sure.
36 minutes of the movie are done, rendered and edited on my edit suit. I am sure I will cut out at least 1 or two minutes in the final process, because of pacing issues. Sometimes a scene looks great on paper, but when you see the finished scene, sometimes it doen't work. I will not cut entire scenes, but i will trim several shots. I have the movie rendered out on my hd drive and I watch it from time to time and after several screenings I begin to see where I can cut and trim down the scenes. I think I am down to 10 minutes I have to create. Let's hope I'll find the time to do this. There are some really difficult scenes to come, but I will manage them, one way or another ...
That's it for today. As usual I'll post some screens at the end. Have fun ...
Direx
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By Capemedia - 5 Years Ago
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Yes!!!!!
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By Lord_Dreadmoor - 5 Years Ago
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The industrial/gantry design and lighting in that first screenshot is legit.
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By abdul305brand - 5 Years Ago
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Great camera work. I’m sure it took a little bit to setup the scene/props.
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By toystorylab - 5 Years Ago
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Great new set...
I'm really looking forward to this!
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By LogicalWarrior - 5 Years Ago
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I am a huge fan, and have been following your work, since you released your first project in iClone. I am looking forward to seeing this already, very well put together project. Thanks for the update(s)!
LW
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By thedirector1974 - 5 Years Ago
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UPDATE 03/07/2020
Hi folks,
another small update about my movie "ALIEN - The Message".
Last week I received the last big stepiece for this movie - the machine room. Right now I am doing a lot of small pieces for the final act of the movie in this set. So I can close the gaps which lingering for months within the last 15 minutes of the movie. I am confident to get this holes filled within the next two weeks. After that, I will start with the scenes in the machine room. It's a big chunk at the end of the second act. I think it will be 4 to 5 minutes long and there are some complicated animations in this.
HOW IS THE SCEDULE GOING?
Right now, I am on track. I planned to be finished in late spring and I am confident to reach that goal. I hope to get the principal render finished in late april. If this is done I will need some time to do the soundmix for the movie. I already have mixed the first 25 minutes, so I don't have to do all of it. I will go on vacation in late may, depending if the corona virus is gone by that time. After that I will release this movie doing a youtube premiere. My goal is to release it in June 6th 2020.
So. Whis me luck, to get through the last complicated scenes withour any trouble.
As usual, here are some screens from my latest work on the movie ...
Greetings, Direx
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By 4u2ges - 5 Years Ago
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Amazing and good luck!
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By thedirector1974 - 5 Years Ago
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UPDATE 04/11/20
JUST ONE SHOT TO GO ...
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By kungphu - 5 Years Ago
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Good gravy the director... these look amazing!!!! Can’t wait for the full film!!!!!
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By thedirector1974 - 5 Years Ago
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UPDATE 04/12/2020
Hi folks,
today would be a great day, if we wouldn't have the crazy pandemic situation worldwide ...
I just did render the last shot for my movie "Alien - The Message". Now there is no black hole in my timeline. Everything is rendered. It feels great to achive this, but on the other hand it feels weird concerning the situation we are all facing right now. This virus killed all my business within days and so I had a lot of time to finish the movie. Strange times indeed, that's for sure.
This is how my video editing timeline looks like right now ...
You can see that there is still something to do. I have to work out the audio for at least 22 minutes. This will be my main focus for the next two weeks ...
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO?
Yes. There is. I already spotted a lot of small thing I'd like to change. So after finishing the principal shoot, I will return within the next days and do some reshoots to tweak things here and there.
When I am finished with all the audio work, I will start to create a trailer for this movie to promote the premiere in june 2020. I haven't figured out the specific date yet, but I think I will release thi in the beginning of June.
And I will do some media work too. The "Alien" franchise is well known and I used a lot of assets from the game "Alien Isolation", so I think I can catch some attention from the usual media outlets. My goal is to widen the possible ausience for this movie, reaching out of the bubble, so to say ...
I made it. 42:30 minutes. After three years. What a ride ...
This picture was taken from the last scene I rendered today ...
Greeings, Direx
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By thebiz.movies - 5 Years Ago
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Awesome news Rene, I cannot wait to see the results!
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By Dan Miller - 5 Years Ago
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thedirector1974
I think what you're doing is great and you're light years ahead of me. Isn't there a concern about using the IP? Maybe I'm missing something.
The "Alien" franchise is well known and I used a lot of assets from the game "Alien Isolation",
It's helpful that you shared the images.
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By thedirector1974 - 5 Years Ago
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@danmiller
This is a fan film and it will be labeled as this. There is no monetization involved and I don't intend to do such a thing. There are a lot of "Alien" fanfilms on youtube and it seems no problem as long as you don't make any buck of it. Disney doesn't care right now and so I hope I can have this on youtube as well. If the mouse is taken legal action, of course I have to remove it from youtube ...
Direx
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By Dan Miller - 5 Years Ago
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thedirector1974
Oh ok, got it. I really like what you're doing there and I didn't think of doing a fan film. It might be a great way to build a community.
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By toystorylab - 5 Years Ago
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Wow, almost done...
I'm very, very curious! :w00t:
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By thedirector1974 - 3 Years Ago
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UPDATE 04/15/2022
Hi folks,
there is a kind of review out there for my movie "Alien - The Message".
The people from completelymachinima.com talked about the movie in theier latest podcast release. They also reviewed reviewed an older movie from Warlord called "The sniper". It's from 2009 and was done with iClone 4. So, if you are interested what they have to say about those movies, here is the link to the youtube version of the podcast:
And if you interested in more infos about the production, there will be an interview online. It premieres on youtube on 04/21/2022 9pm CET. Here is the link:
And here is the link to the new 4K version of "Alien - The Message" in case you haven't seen that ...
Greetings, Direx
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By tripfreak - 3 Years Ago
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Cricky prefers the old one, but I like the new version better.
Nice update :cool:!
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By BiggsTrek - 3 Years Ago
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I just watched the "new" version and was totally blown away! Brilliant! Just as good as the original Alien movie as you captured the mood perfectly! Bravo!
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