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By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
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Dear folks,
Can someone here point me in a direction (video tutorial would be great, but even better docs than I've been able to find so far) on how I could create animations in Max for use with an iProp?
Here's the dealio -- I have a robot prop that can't really use a normal biped model with -- while it will have two arms and two legs, the rest of the structure won't be the same as, for example, each limb will only be one bone. It also has wheels and gizmos that need to rotate and such. I would love to embed these animations as performs, and my (limited) understanding is I could create the animations in Max and save as an FBX file. That part I get.
What I don't get is do I save each animation as a separate FBX file? And can I "mix and match" so that some animations are just rotations of the various components and others are bone based (because I *do* want to move the legs of this robot). I just don't want to get too far down the road here by going the wrong way (I could experiment, but any time I can save by knowing which way to go would be great).
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By will2power71 - 9 Years Ago
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KT,
Have you given any thought to the iClone Physics Toolbox? From what you posted, It sounds to me like the ideal solution for what you're after. It seems to me like you could compile a complex animation by combining simple animations in iClone to get the desired result. I actually purchased it myself for that purpose --I am not interested in doing a bunch of mechanical rigging in another application and then trying to do everything here.
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By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
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Thanks for the thought, Will, but I do want to combine the animations into Performs. Even if the Physics toolbox does that, though, I doubt whether it would handle externally rigged characters (which this one will be) -- it's more designed for cobbling things together inside of iClone.
I think I'll just go ahead and do this and learn as I go. I watched an RL tutorial about turning an externally rigged prop into an iAvatar and it looked like what I want to do will work and be exactly how I want to proceed. I just never want to reinvent the wheel <g>.
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By but0fc0ursee - 9 Years Ago
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I do want to combine the animations into Performs. Even if the Physics toolbox does that, though, I doubt whether it would handle externally rigged characters (which this one will be) -- it's more designed for cobbling things together inside of iClone.
Decide on how you would perfer to see all of the animations simpliied into a few perform commands.
Then use "Reaction Manager" to combine those animations (sets) into one motion to complete the perfom operation.
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By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
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I assume you're still talking about the Physics thingee, but since I'm going to have to go ahead and rig it in Max I might as well do the animations there and import as performs in XChange. Buying something else doesn't make a lot of sense (if I could RIG it inside of iClone it would be a different story).
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By but0fc0ursee - 9 Years Ago
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I'm speaking about 3ds max exporting any combination of motions controlled by moving one object.
You can use any object to controll multiple motions, i.e. "Ring a door bell. The door opens, a water bucket falls, etc.,"
You could move, rotate or scale any part of an object to trigger certain animations to add to 3dxchange perform.
You end up with mutliple animations becoming one perfrom command.
If you visualize your 3dxchange perform commands, ahead of time, i.e. "I want each of these animations triggered like this.
You end up with a few perfrom commands, with multiple animations combined.
Max's "Reaction Manager" does this. (Right-Click any viewport, select Reaction Manager)
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By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
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Ah, haven't used Reaction Manager, may want to take a look at it. Thanks.
But not for this -- this is more of a character (it's a robot) so all the performs are part of the same rig. As it turns out, I made all the stuff with bones anyway, so I think it will work fine. I just didn't want to have to do all the work (but that's me -- I'm just naturally lazy). In the end it just requires a lot of rigging work and I'm about half (or more) done.
But what you've mentioned sounds good for more complicated things I might want to do down the road.
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By but0fc0ursee - 9 Years Ago
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-- this is more of a character (it's a robot) so all the performs are part of the same rig. As it turns out, I made all the stuff with bones anyway,
I don't understand what you mean.
Animating bones for a character or prop are the same. Position, Rotation and Scale animation keys.
Animating a Human or Robot, the difference is a robot requires additional bones, helpers and controllers to perform the varous motions.
Then, you can combine the motions for 3dxchange using reaction manager.
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By Space 3D - 9 Years Ago
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Hai Freinds
Discuss about morphologi use as prop.
Maybe the meaning is like morphology prop in iClone 7.
iClone 7 progress using Autodesk Softimage. ( example use 3D software )
Please tutorial for this --------------> morphologi for use as prop ( iClone 7 )
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By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
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No, not morphing. Just bone movement animation.
But I guess I'm confused about the Reaction Manager. Here's the dealio -- I will need separate performs in iClone. One to "die", one to have the dials move, one to have the dials move WHILE the character dies, etc. As I understand it, I need to create each of these separately and save out as separate fbx files for import into XChange. According to research it has to be done this way in Max, there is no way to have multiple animations stored in Max that result in multiple performs in iClone.
But is Butofcourse saying that Reaction Manager CAN save all of these separate animations that will load in as separate ones in XChange? That's what I don't get. Because I DO need these all separated (I can't the dials spinning all the time because sometimes they are, and sometimes they aren't, so I need separate Performs for each state). It seems to me, from the description, that Reaction Manager COMBINES animations rather than keeps them separate.
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By but0fc0ursee - 9 Years Ago
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Because I DO need these all separated (I can't the dials spinning all the time because sometimes they are, and sometimes they aren't, so I need separate Performs for each state).
Here is the trick:
Reaction Manager Setup:
You can only use 1 object to controll multiple objects, but you need the dials to activate at different times.
(Visualize Dial motions)
Robotic Rigging:
1. Use 1 object (Helper or Primitive) to trigger your dial animation.
2. Use a different object (Helper or primitive) to trigger other animation.
Now use a "New Object" to blend the above with "Weight Values"
Here is the trick:
For a given limb, create an object to control its dial animation.
Select this controller and assign it (In Reaction Manager) as the "Master."
Now "Ctrl Click the bone(s) that will complete the dial animation.
Assign the bone or bones to Reaction Manager as "Slaves."
You have the choice of selecting specific animation tracks.... "Position, Rotation, Scale, etc."
or Move the timeline.... transform the "Master"
Then animate your "Dials".
Now when this "Dial Master Controller" moves.... the dial animation activates.
2 Perform commands controlls that limbs animation.
Repeat this (Master / Slave) process to controll all of you motions.
Then create a "New Master Controller" to shorten your 3dxchange perform commands.
Do a few reaction manger (youtube) tutorials.
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By but0fc0ursee - 9 Years Ago
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Also when using reaction maager...
If you move, rotate or scale an object on a given axis (x,y,z) you can no longer animate that object,
"Until" you add an additional position, rotation or scale controller to that bone.
Make the newly added controller active and you regain animation access for that bone.
The preivous controllers animation is still intact, too.
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By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
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Maybe it's just that I'm tired after playing tennis (which is true) but what you have described sounds SO complicated versus just making the animations separate FBX files. I'm not sure what advantage, if any, I'd have doing it your way.
If I get the time I'll look into Reaction manager (I was using Max long before there was ever such a thing) but for now I think I'll stick to what I know (because I'm old <bg>).
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By but0fc0ursee - 9 Years Ago
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It's one way to move one object and control multiple motions. It does the same priciple as the physics toolbox and much more.
Nothing complicated here.
Robotic rigging takes time to learn. Especially when you change controllers and blend weights.
I don't look forward to having a great deal of perform commands in 3dxchange, when a few will do.
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By videodv - 9 Years Ago
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0I dont have max but I use Cinema 4D
This is what I do.
Set time line to length of animation (say 200 frames)
Create first action from frame 1 to 50
Create second action from frame 51 to 100
Create third action from frame 101 to 150
Create forth action from frame 151 to 200
Export to FBX
Import into 3DExchange make sure you tick import animation box.
When in 3DExchange goto Animation Tab you will see your file there, Add to Performance Editor three times, you will see will see four files there, change name for each Performance then set the start and end frames to match above. you may see the import file frame lenght different i.e if you set timeline to 200 frames it may come in as 480? not sure why must be a setting I am missing just match accordingly i.e 1 to 120 instead of 1 to 50.
Hope that helps
Chris.
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By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
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Thanks, Chris, that does help.
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By but0fc0ursee - 9 Years Ago
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videodv (6/15/2017)
you may see the import file frame lenght different i.e if you set timeline to 200 frames it may come in as 480? not sure why must be a setting I am missing just match accordingly i.e 1 to 120 instead of 1 to 50.
I don't think your missing a setting. I believe 3dxchange imports animation at 60fps, as apposed to the normally used 24 to 30fps.
The beginning and end markers enables accuracy for the different frame rates.
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By pka4916 - 9 Years Ago
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will2power71 (6/13/2017)
KT,
Have you given any thought to the iClone Physics Toolbox? From what you posted, It sounds to me like the ideal solution for what you're after. It seems to me like you could compile a complex animation by combining simple animations in iClone to get the desired result. I actually purchased it myself for that purpose --I am not interested in doing a bunch of mechanical rigging in another application and then trying to do everything here.
Ain't the Physics toolbox already in Iclone? or did you mean you purchased Iclone ?
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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pka4916 (6/16/2017)
Ain't the Physics toolbox already in Iclone? or did you mean you purchased Iclone ?
The Physics Toolbox was a plugin for iClone 5 using Bullet Physics. It works in iClone 6, but only for playback.
iClone 6 and above use PhysX, which is a different system. You can still do all kinds of physics-based animations, but there is no toolbox as such.
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